Weekly Shonen Jump [2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[kewl0210]

Bakuman isn't specific about a lot of things. Like they marked success in volumes by how many you got PRINTED rather than sold. And because it's from the perspective of mangakas. They get the poll results directly, and about a week after the issue has gone out. And they're only generally reflected in the TOC, plus color pages are unranked, and the like.

[Kaiten]

how did this 8 weeks rule even start.... it never said anything about that in bakuman.

The eight week rule was known long before Bakuman. I've been following the TOC since late 2006, the eight week rule was already known then.

[Krono]

how did this 8 weeks rule even start.... it never said anything about that in bakuman.

Likely to allow ample time for people to mail in their surveys. That gives a few weeks for all copies of a given issue to be sold out/taken down from shelves, and a few more weeks for the last of the surveys to trickle in, plus some time to compile all the data. It's not like they have a reason to rush things.

[Newkerzy]

Likely to allow ample time for people to mail in their surveys. That gives a few weeks for all copies of a given issue to be sold out/taken down from shelves, and a few more weeks for the last of the surveys to trickle in, plus some time to compile all the data. It's not like they have a reason to rush things.

Except now that we're in the digital age, the votes can and SHOULD be done and counted instantly. Which is why it's absolutely ridiculous to keep this outdated system.

[Kaiten]

lulz. Fight the power! Don't let the man keep a good manga down. Though, I imagine the eight week delay bothers you a hell of a lot more than it bothers Shueisha.

I do not think you understood what Krono was saying. It is essential to Shueisha that a specific number of postcards are returned per issue, the number returned must reflect a specific percentage of total circulation in order to accurately reflect the reading habits of the entire readership. The higher the number of postcards returned, the lower the margin of error when assessing the accuracy of the weekly survey. Shueisha will periodically set a confidence interval, the number of postcards returned must meet that confidence interval in order for the survey to be deemed statistically valid. The earlier the survey period is ended the less likely it is for Jump to meet or exceed the desired confidence interval. Results could never be completed instantly, that would not allow enough time for the desired number of surveys to be returned. Nor would it allow for the number of postcards returned to exceed the desired amount, something which Shueisha must hope for every week. Digital surveys would speed up the counting process, but would not speed up the collection process.

More importantly, the surveys can not go digital until Jump goes digital, something Shueisha has been resisting tooth and nail. The idea behind the postcards is to poll paying customers, not random web surfers. If the polls were open to all, Shueisha would have to account for a larger number of voters who do not read the magazine, raising the margin of error.

[k-dom]

I think there are way that only people who pay can have access to a numeric poll especially if numeric takes more and more place in the future
but I agree that there needs to be a delay, the 8 weeks is more empirical than a process set in marble anyway.

[Teeba]

I think the main reason why Balge is being given a test run in Jump Alpha and not, say, Reborn and Beelzebub is because there's less risk involved. Plus, I can imagine conservative people throwing a fuss on Baby Beel's nakedness, which is unfortunate. And Reborn was cancelled, I can't imagine Viz restarting it at all.

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Ok, I have a question to ask: Do you guys think the return of the romance/harem manga in Jump has to do with Jump's older readership, or is it a recognition of the magazine's prominent female readership?

I personally think its a side-effect of Jump's readership being older than it used to be. There is nothing about the romance series currently serialized Jump that target the female readers. But I'm interested in hearing your opinions.

[Drmke]

Yeah I'd definitely say it's the growing older readership. Especially considering others like Haikyu, which tend to appeal more to older readers, are starting to stick around longer.

[redon]

Weekly Shonen Jump #27 preview.

[crimsonlink310]

lol Torn up Ichigo and a lot of male characters, this issue will sell a lot with the females.

[Doraku]

Ok, I have a question to ask: Do you guys think the return of the romance/harem manga in Jump has to do with Jump's older readership, or is it a recognition of the magazine's prominent female readership?
I personally think its a side-effect of Jump's readership being older than it used to be. There is nothing about the romance series currently serialized Jump that target the female readers. But I'm interested in hearing your opinions.

Honestly I cannot see the reason why older readers are tend to seek romance manga in a shounen magazine. So I'll stick to the fact that Jump is trying to attract female readers by serializing romance/harem stories.

By the way, I agree that Shueisha won't go with digital polls at least for now. Unless they invent secret code or something which is only printed on the back of the magazine to gives vote, but this idea sounds really lame already.

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So Koisome Momiji scanlation already uploaded. The one-shot is just average for a romance manga. I think I'll read the serialization chapters to make sure whether I have to keep reading it or not.

[Asgaroth]

The idea behind the postcards is to poll paying customers, not random web surfers. If the polls were open to all, Shueisha would have to account for a larger number of voters who do not read the magazine, raising the margin of error.

Because it's impossible to stamp a different code in every jump magazine that needs to be written down in the online poll. Besides they would get a more accurate poll through more participants. Also imagine the lower cost in counting and collecting these cards. The only reason they don't use it is because they old fashioned and don't want change. Every industry like music, film and so on works that way till someone new and innovative changes the market. the question is how long it will take till they change, not if they will do it.

[k-dom]

I think the main point is that whatever the method, they will always be a delay between the chapter release and its rank in the TOC. New series need time to install and 8 chapters correspond roughly to a tankobon volume. They probably have improved their method to collect and count the poll since Jump exist and yet they stay to this delay. I don't think that the time to count the poll is the limiting factor here.

[Asgaroth]

So Koisome Momiji scanlation already uploaded. The one-shot is just average for a romance manga. I think I'll read the serialization chapters to make sure whether I have to keep reading it or not.

i really loved the one-shot. it wasn't that original but really drawn cute/moe. The ending of the one-shot could be a great prelude for a miniseries.

They could show how hard it is for him to do acting and make many accidents that are typical for romcom. a miniseries would be long enough to add a lot of story but wouldn't drag it out to much.

Kinda sad they will just use the one-shot again and expand the story till it is boring and gets axed.

[Kaiten]

Why would you assume that before reading the first chapter of the serialization? What if they made changes you, in all of your wisdom, can not foresee. It is not as if chapter one of every serialization is identical to the one shot. The first chapters of Bleach, Naruto, and D. Gray Man introduced radical changes from the pilot. Nor is it a given that the serialization will slavishly follow the plot arc of the pilot. It may be that the story shatters under the demands of serialization, but why assume that before chapter 1 has even been translated?

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Ok, I have a question to ask: Do you guys think the return of the romance/harem manga in Jump has to do with Jump's older readership, or is it a recognition of the magazine's prominent female readership?

I personally think its a side-effect of Jump's readership being older than it used to be. There is nothing about the romance series currently serialized Jump that target the female readers. But I'm interested in hearing your opinions.

Depends on the series, I think. The more echhi Pajama seems to be marketed more towards Jump's new, older teen audience. Nisekoi seems like it is meant to have broader appeal, taking advantage of Jump's older audience while still appealing to women and stalwarts. I have not read Koisome Momiji yet and can not comment.