Bleach 491 Discussion

[thornofcarrion]

Its too early to declare who will win. Ayon is certainly a different opponent. VCs back then, really got beat up and if it is stronger, Kirge could be in trouble. More than anything, I would like to see Kirge beaten. Sort of a moral victory of Hollows.

[abyozuu]

Then the 5 war potentials are byakauya, kenji, ikku(we may not see it due to him still hiding it but who knows), kenpachi zaraki, plus ichigo..... reasons are people who have close contact with ichigo seems to be affected some how.... look at chad and orihima, plus the girl who knows karate, and the dude that was obsessed with ichigo are all some what effected by his reistsu

i hope 5 war potentials will be ukitake, kyoraku, unohana, ichigo and yamamoto. except ichigo, i have one obvious reason: we have not seen their bankais

[mattiaildivino]

Its too early to declare who will win. Ayon is certainly a different opponent. VCs back then, really got beat up and if it is stronger, Kirge could be in trouble. More than anything, I would like to see Kirge beaten. Sort of a moral victory of Hollows.

as far as I'd like that to happen,it's quite obvious that allon won't defeat kirge,who is supposed to keep ichigo busy.probably in the next chapter we will know whether the bitches and allon have been strengthening themselves for these 2 years (remember that they could summon him only with the resurrecìon),and I'd like to know whether ichigo can use the power he used against aizen or the fullbring.

[Punisher6]

If allon pushes kirge to his limits i think i'd like to see ichigo easily defeat it, in the process getting kirge to talk. i don't think this is likely since it seems ichigo is there to help and gain allies from hollows. It'd be an interesting way to show how much more powerful ichigo is than this quincy. it'd also serve as somewhat of an insult to kirge's pride, having been saved by non other than a shinigami.

[SaitoSpike]

Don't get me wrong but Ayon is a freaking beast. The way he just destroyed the Vice Captains, one after another, and how it took three hits for Yamamoto to kill him shows that he is at least mid captain level because low captain level CAN'T One Hit K.O. the Vice Captains like he did.

And if you check that : http://www.mangareader.net/94-790-5/...apter-336.html and that : http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/491/16 you can see how huge and muscular that beast has become during the timeskip. He must be even stronger than before, not to mention that the Tres Bestia has not even released this time to create him so they must be stronger too (even if Kirge owned her before we gotta admit that this Quincy is strong). Ayon is all about pure strengh and brutal force so I think Kirge will have a very hard time against him. He might even lose.

any lower tier Captain would destroy most VC (it should especially be noted that those who fought Ayon were not VCs with the ability to Bankai) with one hit soon as they Bankai....Ayon seems to always be at his full power since he clearly doesnt know how to control his reiatsu, so when comparing that to a captain (even lower tier) than you should assume they're in full bankai mode as well and yes they could one hit KO most VCs with their bankais

these Captains short of Zaraki have all shown that they are very resourseful (and even Zaraki knows Kenpo)....aside from knowing high level Kido and Bakudos or having specialty Zanpakuto abilities...ayon in the end is nothing but brute strength and considering he's fighting a Quincy (who have shown themselves to be tacticians in their approach to a fight) i'd bet he wont stand a chance against Kirge

i have to once again point to the fight between Yami (after he'd regained his strength making him espada 0, but not in resureccion form) who was clearly far more powerful than Ishida...but Ishida toyed with him and sent him crashing to the bottom of the HM catsle) point being, massive brute strength with no intelligence is only useful when you are incredibly superior in Power such as Ayon vs those VCs he fought, if you're fighting someone who can at least dodge you or is jus as powerful (or stronger which likely Kirge is) than it wont last long, Ayon is like a Bull imo the matador doesnt need to be more powerful to 'beat' the bull

and how come no one ever remembers that those VCs had all just gone through fights of their own? as for the 3 hits it took from Yama-ji imo that doesnt give you a sense of Ayon's power as compared to Yama-ji's its like fighting a zombie, you might have killed him on the first try but if the thing keeps coming at you (because it doesnt have vital parts like the Brain or Heart, or doesnt need them to go on) even tho it SHOULD be dead it doesnt mean you needed to use MORE power, just a different tactic or hit a certain spot......doesnt imo equate to how much power it takes

i'm not hating tho its jus my opinion, i jus like to consider every aspect

[FetherMan]

Kirge may try a kamikaze strike, in order to insure victory for the Vandenreich or something. besides that, Ichigo is fighting him in "shikai" mode right now, he's not even unleashing his full strength on this guy yet. Kirge, however, is at his limit already against Ichigo. It's obvious how this fight will pan out.

next chapter, please.

[Archit]

Kirge may try a kamikaze strike, in order to insure victory for the Vandenreich or something. besides that, Ichigo is fighting him in "shikai" mode right now, he's not even unleashing his full strength on this guy yet. Kirge, however, is at his limit already against Ichigo. It's obvious how this fight will pan out.

next chapter, please.

Well said! I definitely agree with this. It's interesting and cool that we get to see a preview of this groups makeup by Kirge but other than that, we can see who's dancing on the edge of failure in this battle and it definitely isn't Ichigo unless this guy has a hidden +1 power up stored away. Either way; I hope we get to see the main group making there full appearance in SS and the reaction of everyone. I'm curious how Kenpachi is going to behave......lol CUT SLASH CUT SLASH!

[abyozuu]

Well said! I definitely agree with this. It's interesting and cool that we get to see a preview of this groups makeup by Kirge but other than that, we can see who's dancing on the edge of failure in this battle and it definitely isn't Ichigo unless this guy has a hidden +1 power up stored away. Either way; I hope we get to see the main group making there full appearance in SS and the reaction of everyone. I'm curious how Kenpachi is going to behave......lol CUT SLASH CUT SLASH!

i hope to see some crazy scientific fight between mayui and VR mad doctor

[mattiaildivino]

since hueco mundo is re-gaining importance,I'd like to have explanation of what mayuri has been discovering for these 2 years,with his researches there.I think it's time kubo reveals them.

[da_ni]

I don't think Allon will stand much chance here, remember that even Hallibel was taken prisoner… So I really don’t see their underlings showing much when she was taken…

[kkck]

Well, harribel was actually defeated by buckbeard if I recall. Still, I doubt allon can do much against two captain level people.

[da_ni]

It wasn't shown who defeated her,i assumed it was this guy since he's the one in charge of the forces at hueco mundo... But I don't it was buckbearde also, it shouldn't take the strongest fighter in the enemy army to take outHallibel...

[devstauk]

is was stated that she was taken by the king
http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/487/17

[Miyagi]

Kirge said it was their king who defeated Harribel, I doubt Kirge could defeat Harribel easily, if at all. Ayon has great raw power but I don't think Kirge will allow Ayon to hit him repeatedly. Ayon showed decent speed against VCs though, I won't get surprised if Ayon does damage but it would be a bit odd for Ayon to defeat an enemy who survived Ichigo, I guess Ayon will only buy time before Ichigo (and perhaps Urahara) finishes Kirge.

I also want to know what the situation in SS is. A convo between Yamamoto and VR leader would be interesting. VR leader has faith in his star knights, they must be pretty strong to go fight Gotei 13 like this. Perhaps they have a secret technique which will perplex and weaken the captains, surprise attacks usually have better success rate.

[mattiaildivino]

I don't think Allon will stand much chance here, remember that even Hallibel was taken prisoner… So I really don’t see their underlings showing much when she was taken…

we should debate on her strength compared to her fracc'on's one. I do think that harribel was stronger than allon,but keep in mind that it wasn't kirge who defeated harribel,but BB(probably). anyway,I agree: kirge can't be defeated by allon,and I hope ichigo and allon won't team up.