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Thread: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

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    Reviewer 上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member blackjack612's Avatar
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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzaku View Post
    It's hard to say, since he was given the surname Yakushi way back in chapter 30-something, when he first appeared, which I'm sure is well before Kishimoto came up with these concepts that would be playing out 550 chapters down the roat.

    Buddhism mainly deals with the attempt to break the cycle of suffering by seeking enlightenment, which is extremely prominent in Nagato's story (and in fact, Nagato even resembles statues of the Buddha when he was practicing asceticism), but not so much in Kabuto's.

    Well, thinking about it, if you interpret Kabuto's many transformations and evolutions as forms of transmigration, you could say that he's trapped in a cycle of suffering, and that his journey to accumulate knowledge and discover himself is a way of seeking self-enlightenment.

    It might be worth noting that the Healing Buddha is attended by two bodhisattvas whose names mean Moonlight and Sunlight. In Japanese Buddhism he's also commonly invoked in memorials for the dead, and is protected by the Twelve Heavenly Generals (Vajra, Indra, Mihira, etc.)

    The Healing Buddha is a fairly vague figure, so I don't know that any comparisons are intended. And technically speaking, Kabuto Yakushi isn't even his real name. Perhaps, if he survives, we'll eventually learn what his real name is, and who he truly is, if it's relevant.
    You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. I'm very much a novice at this subject and so your insight is much appreciated.

    Also, wanted to question whether Kabuto's pursuit of self is at all related to the Buddhist idea of the true self emerging once the five poisons are dispelled. Kabuto does have all the poisons in spades (pride, envy, doubt, ignorance, attachment) so it may be that the enlightenment he is seeking is yet beyond his grasp because he's been looking outward rather than looking within himself.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    I am still puzzled by the chronology of events here:

    1) Kabuto is found, raised by Nonou
    2) Kabuto is taken by Danzo
    3) Kabuto is betrayed by Danzo, and follows Orochimaru, who gives him a new backstory...
    4) Kabuto participates in the Chunin exams?!

    Its number 4 that gets me-- if Kabuto is one of Danzo's spys, wouldn't at least the ROOT members of ANBU be aware that Kabuto is supposed to have been killed, or at least not supposed to be participating in the Exams, seeing as how it would blow his cover in other countries?

    Does anyone have any ideas on how to fill this apparent plot-hole?

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    Reviewer 上級員 / Jyoukuuin / Sr. Member blackjack612's Avatar
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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    Quote Originally Posted by apathism View Post
    I am still puzzled by the chronology of events here:

    1) Kabuto is found, raised by Nonou
    2) Kabuto is taken by Danzo
    3) Kabuto is betrayed by Danzo, and follows Orochimaru, who gives him a new backstory...
    4) Kabuto participates in the Chunin exams?!

    Its number 4 that gets me-- if Kabuto is one of Danzo's spys, wouldn't at least the ROOT members of ANBU be aware that Kabuto is supposed to have been killed, or at least not supposed to be participating in the Exams, seeing as how it would blow his cover in other countries?
    Well, Orochimaru was the one responsible for eliminating the surivivor of the Kabuto - Nonou double assassination. It's just a matter of him relating to Root that both spies died. This would be before Orochimaru was forced to leave the village officially by being found by Hiruzen which was itself years before the Chunnin exam. So it's not hard to imagine that by then Root was comfortable with the knowledge that Kabuto was dead and Kabuto, an expert at infiltrating villages would be able to disguise himself as a genin from the newly formed Hidden Sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack612 View Post
    Well, Orochimaru was the one responsible for eliminating the surivivor of the Kabuto - Nonou double assassination. It's just a matter of him relating to Root that both spies died. This would be before Orochimaru was forced to leave the village officially by being found by Hiruzen which was itself years before the Chunnin exam. So it's not hard to imagine that by then Root was comfortable with the knowledge that Kabuto was dead and Kabuto, an expert at infiltrating villages would be able to disguise himself as a genin from the newly formed Hidden Sound.
    Hmmmm... However Kabuto was introduced as a Leaf genin, and only took up the Sound headband after the Chuunin exams.

    Maybe this is the proper timeline:

    1) Kabuto becomes a spy for Konoha
    2) Orochimaru defects
    3) Kabuto fights Nonou
    4) Orochimaru talks to Kabuto
    5) Kabuto returns to Konoha as a survivor of the planned fight with Nonou
    6) after some time, Kabuto participates in the Chuunin Exam.

    Still doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but its been like ten years since the Chuunin exam was written, and somehow I don't think that the plot was planned this far ahead, haha.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    Black,there's no chance in hell that kabuto arrived in the Leaf as a Sound ninja. he was probably a genin of Aoba,according to what kabuto thought when arrived there and what aoba told him there http://www.mangareader.net/93-58215-...apter-514.html http://www.mangareader.net/93-58215-...apter-514.html . I think he behave as a weak genin (amongst the amount of genin that were in the Leaf) so danzo wouldn't discover him. btw,I guess that oro didn't leave the leaf when hiruzen found him,I think he joined root. if we think about the chronology:
    1)when oro was in root,he was with danzo and Nonou
    2)after 5 years he met kabuto again
    3)then kabuto met sasori for the last time and this happened more or less 2 years and half before the chuni exam (in fact in volume 32 it was 5 years since their last meeting)
    hope it can help

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    Orochimaru said he would protect Kabuto from Danzo. If Danzo had questions or not is irrelevant, since Orochimaru was doing something to ensure Kabuto's safety.

    Most likely it was a part of whatever schemes Orochimaru had cooking up with Danzo. He helped Danzo and Danzo allowed him and Kabuto to operate within Konoha with impunity.

    We know that Danzo was probably collaborating with Orochimaru to help him kill the Third Hokage and invade Konohagakure. In fact, I'm a bit disappointed that their dealings at that time weren't shown explicitly during these flashbacks.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzaku View Post
    Orochimaru said he would protect Kabuto from Danzo. If Danzo had questions or not is irrelevant, since Orochimaru was doing something to ensure Kabuto's safety.

    Most likely it was a part of whatever schemes Orochimaru had cooking up with Danzo. He helped Danzo and Danzo allowed him and Kabuto to operate within Konoha with impunity.

    We know that Danzo was probably collaborating with Orochimaru to help him kill the Third Hokage and invade Konohagakure. In fact, I'm a bit disappointed that their dealings at that time weren't shown explicitly during these flashbacks.
    actually,it doesn't seem like or was cooperating with danzo during the time kabuto was still in the Leaf: when Sai introduced himself to oro,the latter was "surprised" that the obscure danzo was still alive,although we can assume that,rather than surprised,oro just didn't care about him. Furthermore,in volume 49 danzo thought in front of his subordinates that kabuto might have been aware of his previous relationship with oro,so danzo and oro definitely weren't in league. btw,when hiruzen was alive danzo didn't act much,he was probably moving outside the Leaf (as we saw in the orphanage),hence kabuto was safe staying in the leaf.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    Well the Fourth Raikage openly speculated that Danzo was using Orochimaru to get rid of the Third Hokage and Fourth Kazekage.

    It's possible that Orochimaru simply kept the details from Kabuto, which is actually more likely. Kabuto hated Danzo and Root, so he probably wouldn't have reacted well if he knew Orochimaru was still cooperating with them. However, Kabuto may have discovered the truth on his own, or Danzo simply suspected he had. After Orochimaru was out of the picture, Danzo wanted his subordinates to assassinate Kabuto (afraid of what he knew, obviously), and later cancelled the orders and wanted him captured alive, to try and use his medical knowledge to improve his arm and eye.

    I don't think there's any way Danzo would have let Kabuto live in Konoha without some assurances or threats from Orochimaru.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzaku View Post
    Well the Fourth Raikage openly speculated that Danzo was using Orochimaru to get rid of the Third Hokage and Fourth Kazekage.

    It's possible that Orochimaru simply kept the details from Kabuto, which is actually more likely. Kabuto hated Danzo and Root, so he probably wouldn't have reacted well if he knew Orochimaru was still cooperating with them. However, Kabuto may have discovered the truth on his own, or Danzo simply suspected he had. After Orochimaru was out of the picture, Danzo wanted his subordinates to assassinate Kabuto (afraid of what he knew, obviously), and later cancelled the orders and wanted him captured alive, to try and use his medical knowledge to improve his arm and eye.

    I don't think there's any way Danzo would have let Kabuto live in Konoha without some assurances or threats from Orochimaru.

    This makes a lot of sense, thank you very much. Is there a chapter where Danzo's orders change from Kill Kabuto to Capture Kabuto?

    Kage-Baka No Jutsu!

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    End of chapter 454, start of 455.

    I suppose he wasn't specifically changing orders from assassinating Kabuto, but he's meeting with some ANBU before departing to the summit.

    He's talking to an ANBU Captain, Terai (Fuu and Torune are also there) and Terai says they've got Dajimu and Tera trailing Anko. Danzo wants them to dispatch more people to capture Kabuto before she finds him. His inner thought is "Kabuto might know about me and Orochimaru..." and he tells them that Kabuto has Orochimaru's experiment data which might be useful for his arm and eyes.

    Terai hasn't been seen since, and Dajimu and Tera have never appeared on-screen. Kabuto may have killed them already.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews of Naruto 584 Kabuto, the Doctor

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzaku View Post
    End of chapter 454, start of 455.

    I suppose he wasn't specifically changing orders from assassinating Kabuto, but he's meeting with some ANBU before departing to the summit.

    He's talking to an ANBU Captain, Terai (Fuu and Torune are also there) and Terai says they've got Dajimu and Tera trailing Anko. Danzo wants them to dispatch more people to capture Kabuto before she finds him. His inner thought is "Kabuto might know about me and Orochimaru..." and he tells them that Kabuto has Orochimaru's experiment data which might be useful for his arm and eyes.

    Terai hasn't been seen since, and Dajimu and Tera have never appeared on-screen. Kabuto may have killed them already.
    Thank you Suzaku!

    So much has happened in this Manga, its hard to remember stuff that happened 100 chapters ago, haha.

    Perhaps they were the trail of dead bodies that kabuto was using to lead Anko to the Akatsuki base...

    Kage-Baka No Jutsu!

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