Claymore 127 Discussion

[Goral]

@littleangel
I don't see how telling Miria everything after she would tell him she wanted to be on his side (so buying something that could be a lie) be smarter on his part than telling her about DoDs without relying on Miria's declarations. We know from ch. 84 that Rubel told Miria very little to manipulate her and make her dig up information on her own and get herself killed that way. Since she wasn't caught he tried to kill her by sending her to dangerous missions (first male AB we saw and later Pieta) but somehow she survived. Still it was a win-win situation for him since in case she wouldn't be caught and killed she would definitely plan to attack the Org and maybe even start a rebellion (with better or worse success). In the end it turned out really well for him and Organization has been destroyed on the island.

It's interesting though that Rubel is still remaining on the island even though the Org is destroyed. I wonder what he's planning to do. Will he offer Dae a job? Try to capture half-awakened Claymores and use them as guinea pigs?

[littleangel]

You misunderstood what I wrote Goral. What I meant was she lied when she knew about the war from Rubel, not now but to get more from Rubel back then and this probably affected her judgement now. But still this theory isn't complete yet this is what you can call the blue-prints as the idea in my mind is way bigger which still can be completely wrong but worth mentioning.

[Goral]

I think you're the one who misunderstood. Why would Rubel even believe what she said if we assumed he is smart (and that's what you're assuming) and tell her more than he wanted initially (before she would make her declaration). In fact we know that he didn't tell her much because of what Rubel told Clare in chapter 84 and because of what Miria told Clare and the rest (about her investigation and journey to every corner of the island - what she would need Rubel's information for if she saw what she saw?) and also the fact that Miria had seen DoD before. Which makes me wonder why she even tried to find more proof besides that (unless she was lying in Rabona and her travelling to every corner of the island was bullshit).

[Nixl]

@littleangel

It's interesting though that Rubel is still remaining on the island even though the Org is destroyed. I wonder what he's planning to do. Will he offer Dae a job? Try to capture half-awakened Claymores and use them as guinea pigs?

Hard to say, I know him taking Dae to Priscilla is part of some scheme, but I do not think he is done trying to kill Claire and the Three Stooges just yet. I am wondering if he is intending Priscilla to clean up what is left (Claire, etc).

[Old Rick]

I do not see being picked up here in the discussion another factor. That is the claymores live in a world
where they may be called upon to kill each other, as Clare did Elena not to be confused with Ilena in
the first volume of the manga. So they close off about being friends with each other and guard
against reveal any signs of potential awakening. They are initially wary an on guard around each other
unless they are long term team buddies.

Miria guardedly tells her NEW companions in the spider man hunt and later at Pieta only what she needs
to and when she has to. Galatea does not come straight out an say I monitored you all with Ermita
during that hunt in the Paburo's. It is true in the witch's maw after Clare saves her she alludes to it but
due to the circumstances Clare does not pickup on it. Ophelia confides in Rubel about Miria's pull back from
awakening which we can see as a prelude to the Paburo affair, but again we only know this much later
thru Rubel's trolling conversation with the three at La Croix. Much later in the story we learn that Dae
collects the bodies of former number ones. This is something Teresa must have known and only
connections with the likes of Dae, Ermita, and Rubel covering for her would give her the assurance to
lie about Rose Mary's awakening to her handler Orsay.

Miria and others with these connections might well feel endangered from the other claymores if they
knew what was going on, especially things like the manipulation of who went to Pieta that gave Miria
back her regular warrior family. Few wise ones would openly court Ophelia's malodorous reputation for
enjoying the killing of former comrades now awakened.

A companion factor to this fear or each other is what might also just be called the scare of repeated
combat nightmares. Miria is clearly angry with Clare in the opening of the second arc when she forces
the issue of returning back from the north, which means Miria will be forced back into these nightmares
again. Miria's words to Clare when she challenges her, from my memory are very much like

"I really don't care how you take this."

[FormerAbyssalone]

Hard to say, I know him taking Dae to Priscilla is part of some scheme, but I do not think he is done trying to kill Claire and the Three Stooges just yet. I am wondering if he is intending Priscilla to clean up what is left (Claire, etc).

yeah I don see Rubel to kill them himself, he seems like the spy that will let something else kill them for him. Rubel is too smart to try and kill them on his own.

[Brother Coa]

Wow it's 23'rd June already, time really flies...
So when can we expect first spoilers for Chapter 128?

[benelori]

Wow it's 23'rd June already, time really flies...
So when can we expect first spoilers for Chapter 128?

Usually this time around we get the first batch of fake spoilers, and then more towards the end of the month we have some draft of the real deal...and then pics at the beginning of next month...

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[wickedsmile]

yeah I don see Rubel to kill them himself, he seems like the spy that will let something else kill them for him. Rubel is too smart to try and kill them on his own.

Rubel has never been one for direct intervention. He would risk discovery by his opposition. Instead, he insinuates and suggests. Have you noticed that he coerces others to perform his dirty work by aligning his objectives with the actions of others. He saw a rebellious trait in Miria and saw that the resentment that brooded within her after Hilda died. He nurtured her resentment toward the Organization by revealing small truths to Miria and let her discover everything on her own. If she got caught, she would be executed and no one would be the wiser. He did the same with Clare, Cynthia and Yuma post Pieta. Although, I don't know if it generated the results he wanted. It's highly unlikely that he could have foreseen the birth of the Destroyer. More likely, he wanted a confrontation between Clare and Riful. Even Clare who has grown quite powerful after seven years, acknowledged that Riful would pulverize her.

Has there been any evidence that Dae suspects Rubel of any treachery?

[number12michael]

Rubel has never been one for direct intervention. He would risk discovery by his opposition. Instead, he insinuates and suggests. Have you noticed that he coerces others to perform his dirty work by aligning his objectives with the actions of others. He saw a rebellious trait in Miria and saw that the resentment that brooded within her after Hilda died. He nurtured her resentment toward the Organization by revealing small truths to Miria and let her discover everything on her own. If she got caught, she would be executed and no one would be the wiser. He did the same with Clare, Cynthia and Yuma post Pieta. Although, I don't know if it generated the results he wanted. It's highly unlikely that he could have foreseen the birth of the Destroyer. More likely, he wanted a confrontation between Clare and Riful. Even Clare who has grown quite powerful after seven years, acknowledged that Riful would pulverize her.

Has there been any evidence that Dae suspects Rubel of any treachery?

not any out right evidence.....but Dae did say that he thinks someone manipulated the knowledge about prissy, and he did say to Rubel " i dont know what your "situation" is but if your interested i can show that thing to you" so i think he has put two and two together....if everyone has abandoned the land exept for rumito who accepted death, and Dae who wishs to see the owner of that arm, so he must know that if rubel stayed around then that means he has unfinished business left on the land.

[Claymore1]

"i dont know what your "situation" is but if your interested i can show that thing to you"

That quote makes me wonder what Dae is talking about. Does he know about the blob? Or is he referring to something else? Just what is the thing that he is talking about. That is what I would like to know.

[Shiek927]

I've always been of the idea that Dae and Rubel both know that both of them are traitors - it's the reason why they are even around eachother in the first place and Dae has been willing to say so much...because the Org is splintering apart much more then Rubel simply being the double-agent -- Dae is making his own power-grabs and is aware of Rubel...

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer -- both of them are very likely to be the ones to kill eachother off at last; funny enough, I don't think they would mind....in a very twisted, yet almost karmic way...both of them seemed to have, or at least would be, friends with eachother. They may not know everything, but both of them are aware that neither one is as loyal to the Org as they appear to be, and that's why they've been together for quite awhile.

[number12michael]

That quote makes me wonder what Dae is talking about. Does he know about the blob? Or is he referring to something else? Just what is the thing that he is talking about. That is what I would like to know.

i was under the impression that the "that" he was referring to was prissy....i am under the understand that the thing he has to find it is Cassandra..i am unsure if he is aware of her being in a blob state.....doubt it cuz he said that the info said she was crushed by isely....so i think he believes that by following cassandra she will lead him to Priscillas location(i also believe he is aware that cassandra is being controlled by the arms owner......so i kinda think his plan was ...1) use the bodys of 3 of the strongest number ones that he had the full bodys of. 2) those "revived" number ones would go into battle and eventually awaken, 3) i believe he picked Cassandra for a reason(there had to be atlest one other warrior he could have picked who was in better condition...cassandra was missing limbs.) so i think he picked warriors by Yoki(large yoki to attract prissy) but i think that by picking Roxanne and Cassandra he knew they would eventually fight each other knowing there personality and history. 4) Cassandra and Roxanne would fight to the death, Hysteria was needed because she had a connection to Teresa would had a connection to prissy the arms owner....so to sum this all up i think that his choice in who he "revived" was much more then just body condition and strength...

Hysteria- Memory of Teresa used to bring out the personification of prissys yoki
Roxanne/Cassandra- used as a "host" for the yoki(thats what the "shockwave" mira felt...prissys yoki takeing control of cassandra)
hell i would go as far as to say that Dae made it so Cassandra would eat roxanne(even if something tasted like shit why would you keep eating it even when theres fresh living people near by ) maybe by eating Roxanne , cassandra could have gain the yoki of Priscillas that was inside of roxanne.

just a thought tell me what you think?

[Claymore1]

so i think he believes that by following cassandra she will lead him to Priscillas location

Well I assumed that too. but he referred to priscilla as "that thing". The way he said it, it makes it sound like he is referring to an object and not a person/AB. That is why i thought he meant the blob. The blob is not exactly a person or AB and could be referred to as a "thing". However, he may just be calling her "that thing" because he does feel that she is an object of his experimentations and nothing more. Or because he doesn't know the gender of the being (but that is unlikely).

so i think he picked warriors by Yoki(large yoki to attract prissy) but i think that by picking Roxanne and Cassandra he knew they would eventually fight each other knowing there personality and history. 4)

Yes, Dae stated that he chose warriors based on strength and power, and not on their mental stability. So they awakened. I think that was why he chose them, so that they could release massive amounts of yoki when they awakened. Dae just thought that the immense yoki being emitted from the revived #1's awakenings would be enough to draw out priscilla. So he wanted them strong and unstable. So I do agree with you about how Dae knew that Cassandra and Roxanne were going to fight. He probably wanted that to happen so that the could release their yoki.

Hysteria was needed because she had a connection to Teresa would had a connection to prissy the arms owner....so to sum this all up i think that his choice in who he "revived" was much more then just body condition and strength.

But he didn't know that the arm was priscilla's until after Hysteria was killed. So Hysteria having a connection to Teresa (who has a connection to priscilla) had nothing to do with who he chose to revive. Dae didn't know who the arm belonged to and therefore wouldn't have known of any connection between the #1s and the owner of the arm. So he wanted to lure her out with a very large battle between abyssal ones.

[MalakTawus]

Dae only knew that there was a monster out there somewhere and he hoped that "resurrecting" 3 abyssals with her arm it would somewhat serve as a bait to lure her to them.

All the other speculations about this are quite pointless IMO since the manga is quite clear that Dae had no idea that Prissy was the monster and he had no idea that Prissi was trapped in the blob (if not he would have known from the very beginning that his plan to lure her was 100% useless).

Even if it's possible that Dae chose Cassy and Roxy 'cause he wanted them to fight each other (tbh i'm not so sure,i still think he was simply resurrecting the strongest since i doubt that he really knew the relationship and the betrayal between Cassy and Roxy considering that till now the mibs didn't seem to be very informed in the personal matters of their warriors....but i admit that it's very possible), the idea that he chose Hysty for her "relationship" with Teresa doesn't make any sense,really (like Claymore1 already stated).