One Piece 667 Discussion

[hoeru]

I think Law used his Room. The scene was just too close to the one that showed how he splitted Tashigi and she was still attacking him nonetheless. We just didn't see its borders because the panel was too small.

BTW... I predict Zoro, Nami/Sanji and Brook are to be found next chapter by the G-5 Marines... Sanji in Nami's body just needs to be hunted by some lecherous soldiers just like Sanji was back on Peach Island.

[kkck]

Nice chapter, lots of things going on.

Franky is a dumbass lol. Chopper has his kung fuu point and his arm point would fit him to a charm. Basically, he had two fully functioning forms with real power one of which even kinda looked like him and he still did the most reckless thing he could think (or not think) off. It was still an extraordinary display of strength though. Monster point showed no less than insane physical strength (perhaps one of the more impresives displays of sheer muscle powers in the manga) and threw the tip of a mountain as if it was nothing. To boot it was taken down by luffy's haki charged hardened gear 3 punch and he did not even die from it. The form is insanely strong, perhaps considerably more so than what most people seem to give it credit for. I think it could even take lucci from before the timeskip without significant problems considering everything. In the hands of chopper it would have all that raw power along with some mean kung fu at least.

The law bit was exceptionally interesting here. Perhaps the highpoint of the chapter. As we have seen yonko lead massively powerful organizations. By all intents and purposes we should pretty much assume every yonko has the sheer military might to match the world government or at least come reasonably close. In this regard, whatever law is looking for must necessarily be more than exceptional, specially if we consider that whatever he wants to do would have to have enough power to match an organization with the power of the world government. I can't imagine this being a weapon made by the world government though, why not use it before or even now to destroy the yonko? They just couldn't have left it there either, it is an abandoned island with nothing in it. I was thinking it could be an ancient weapon however I find it hard to believe the world government would have failed to find it, punk hazard is not even that big.

[marcassin]

So Law is a true swordman. I mean he didnt use his "room" to cut the giant. If there is going to be an alliance than I suppose Law will be riding with the Strawhats, if he is alone here. So that could be interresting with him and Zorro and mabye Brook being swordmen.

He did use it IMO since the giant was still able to move after being cut.

[Lee-tyme7]

I think I believe Luffy will accept law's offer. I mean why not? He's Luffy and he is unpredictable. Just like when he proclaim FI his turf and challenge Big-mom. I still can't believe he said that. lol. Plus Law did save Luffy's life and who ever does is bound to be friends/ally with him.

[Lord Rayleigh]

I always thought that Kaidou is Kong since Kong is the only big character from the last generation that is currently missing in action.
It would make sense why we are kept in the air who Kaidou is exactly because if it is such a secret the identity is most probably that we know the character already in a form.
It would also explain why Drake also a former marine as well is so interested in Kaidou and why he has a hairstyle similar to Kong after the time skip.

Well, that's impossible for Kong to be Kaido since he was the Commander-in-Chief 2 years ago, but I also think Kaido is a former marine. That would explain many things such as why Kaido's winter island has artificial and mechanical buldings : Kaido was in contact with Vegapunk as a marine. He could be the former G-5 Vice-Admiral or the former captain of science's division. It would also explain his decision to prevent Whitebeard from moving to Marineford 2 years ago as a former marine. He may have his own reasons to be one of the Yonko.

Law's proposal is a great plot turn. Oda has finally made a connection between this first arc and the Big Mom saga he had just opened at the end of Fishman Island. Knowing these two things, it makes sense Luffy and Law will team up against Big Mom. Otherwise, Oda would just be plot joking and I wouldn't like it.

I wonder how will Oda turn this out since Luffy is not the kind of captain who would follows a plan. Actually he would better go through an unknown journey - remember his speech to Ussop after he asked Rayleigh to tell them about One Piece. So it's still possible Luffy will refuse but that the alliance will happen later in the turn of events. Thus the Strawhats could follow the samurai to Wano Kuni next island while Smoker takes care of the children.

[FetherMan]

wow. this has to be one of the most interesting conclusions in a OP chapter in a long time. Law wants "aid" from a rival (Luffy) to take down one of the Yonkou and he's a shichibukai, to boot. I smell a trap for the Strawhats.

It is also interesting that "Punk Hazard" could be a lynchpin in a sense to how the "New World" operates and why, Akainu and Akoiji choose that place for their duel.


p.s., i really dislike Caesar Clown, he sucks.

[BlackHair]

AoKiji
Kuzan spend decades fighting pirates and for justice. He fought for a better world, not like pirates who fight for themselves. Even though he followed his own sense of justice, he was still loyal to a greater goal. For that loyalty despite being lazy he even fought Akainu, since he disagreed with his way of justice.

So no way in hell will he join pirates or create his own jolly roger. That just goes against everything he lived so far. At best I see him joining Dragon, who also shares a justice for a greater good. But not those who represent evil in this realm.

What about Impel Down and Marineford? He teamed up with Buggy, Mr. 3, Mr. 2, Mr. 1, Crocodile, Jinbe, Inazuma, and Ivankov. At Water 7 he teamed up with Franky. Vivi at Alabasta, Jinbe again at Fishman Island. Teaming up with Law would be nothing out of the ordinary for One Piece.

You do have a point, but they formed a alliance because of two reasons: a) Luffy couldn't have done it himself and b) they shared a common enemy.

I might see Luffy teaming up with Law, if he sees a opportunity to repay his debt (after hearing Laws story). However not of the purpose of just defeating a influential pirate or needing help in defeating a common enemy (-> Big Mom). I mean those 2 years of training was to make the SHs stronger in order to hold their own against high tier calibre. Now Im not saying Luffy is already high tier, but I do think he is capable of defeating upper mid tier (lower high tier) character. I think BM fills that position, as she gives me a Moria vibe. A pirate who has fallen in fighting strength over the years.

Anyway, Im not necessarily against a alliance, just saying I don't see it at the moment. Laws story might change my opinion.

---------- Post added at 04:58 AM ---------- Previous post was at 02:08 AM ----------

Cnet released translations for the past couple of chapters. For those like me, who wants to re-check some minor translations issues to clear misunderstandings.

[EddyBob15]

You know, I was thinking of something last night. You remember that attack Luffy used against Hody that was like Ace's Fire Fist? Well, I believe that if Luffy used that against CC, the results could probably be explosive.

[hoeru]

What about Impel Down and Marineford? He teamed up with Buggy, Mr. 3, Mr. 2, Mr. 1, Crocodile, Jinbe, Inazuma, and Ivankov. At Water 7 he teamed up with Franky. Vivi at Alabasta, Jinbe again at Fishman Island. Teaming up with Law would be nothing out of the ordinary for One Piece.

Now that you mention it... "Luffy teaming up with someone who isn't part of his crew afterwards" is also part of every arc, isn't it? Starting with Coby in the Alvida chapters, Poodle in the Buggy arc, Usopp's crew...

Reading OP that way makes the Luffy-Law alliance pretty much possible. (Even more: Law could travel with the Strawhats for the next dozens of chapters after PH.)

All I'm wondering is: What does the World Government have to say about Law trying to destabilize the world's balance by having a Shichibukai directly attack a Yonkou?

[k-dom]

Franky is a dumbass lol. Chopper has his kung fuu point and his arm point would fit him to a charm. Basically, he had two fully functioning forms with real power one of which even kinda looked like him and he still did the most reckless thing he could think (or not think) off. It was still an extraordinary display of strength though.

Arm point doesn't exist anymore. It is replaced by kung fu point. That was confirmed in a sbs

I wonder how will Oda turn this out since Luffy is not the kind of captain who would follows a plan. Actually he would better go through an unknown journey - remember his speech to Ussop after he asked Rayleigh to tell them about One Piece. So it's still possible Luffy will refuse but that the alliance will happen later in the turn of events. Thus the Strawhats could follow the samurai to Wano Kuni next island while Smoker takes care of the children.

I don't think the comparison with rayleigh is the good one. Luffy just doesn't want to be spoiled. But rather his entrance in Enies Lobby and the famous : "I got it". Law may regret teaming up with Luffy sooner than later :-))

[Ero-Sanji]

AoKiji
You do have a point, but they formed a alliance because of two reasons: a) Luffy couldn't have done it himself and b) they shared a common enemy.

Aren't those the number one reasons for all alliances ever made, fiction or non-fiction?
I don't really understand this topic, if Luffy is capable of making alliances or not, especially not after what Mihawk stated. Luffy's greatest power is to make people join him. Now, obviously Law will be the one behind the actions and the planning, if this alliance ever will be formed, but I can't see why Luffy is in any way against alliances, especially when he in almost if not every arc has formed some alliance.

[chitgoks]

I think I believe Luffy will accept law's offer. I mean why not? He's Luffy and he is unpredictable. Just like when he proclaim FI his turf and challenge Big-mom. I still can't believe he said that. lol. Plus Law did save Luffy's life and who ever does is bound to be friends/ally with him.

luffy will still need what law has to say to him. luffy just doesnt attack pirates without good reason. we still dont know who law is planning to take out.

[BlackHair]

Ero-Sanji
In my understanding, a true alliance is formed by at least two parties of equal power, who are sharing common goals and interests. Usually leadership is equally divided to avoid conflicts, but it depends on the agreement. Going by that logic, the only real alliance in the manga was at Marineford. As far as I remember in previous arcs and saga, ppl ended up following the SHs, that's totally different from a alliance.

Anyway, it rly comes down to Laws reason, that's my main point. If Law wants to take down Yonko X just for gaining fame, power and territory then I don't see Luffy helping him. If he however has reasonable issues they will join forces, especially since Luffy is indebted to him.

The way I see it, Luffy is the guy who helps weak ppl in need by fighting side by side, thus teams are naturally formed on the battlefield. However in this case I don't see a "planned" alliance from the very start, especially with a strong guy such as Law. It just doesn't fit this manga, imo. Again, the WB War saga was a special case, since Luffy was all alone without his crew against the most powerful organisation.

Aren't those the number one reasons for all alliances ever made, fiction or non-fiction?

Of course they are. My opinion is based on history xD.

[pizzaslicepwnu]

One thing that does bother me is that law didn't mention the other/third way to survive in the NW: working as a shichibukai for the WG/marines(or for the marines in general). The G-5 marines that came to PH with smoker mentioned that he did what ever he could in order to become a shichibukai. This lead me to believe there is a small chance that law is actually working with the WG and is using this plan to trap and capture luffy and his crew.

[natli]

Before I thought that Luffy is going to say no on a principle. But now I think Luffy's answer depends on the Younkou Law wants to take out.

Shanks - "He's my mate. No way."
Kaidou - "Don't know him, don't care."
Big Mom - "I challenged her and challenges are one or one."
Blackbeard - " ...it's a deal."

I base this on the fact that Luffy hates BB for all that he did to Ace and the role he played in the war.