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View Poll Results: Yukimura Vs Atobe?

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Thread: Yukimura vs Atobe, Who will win?

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    Post Re: Yukimura vs Atobe, Who will win?

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    +Tooyama can return 5 at once. I'll actually put him and Akutsu higher than Niou, Atobe, and Shiraishi for now, since it show so few people can do that.
    Tooyama is higher than them. I haven't disputed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    It's pretty clear that Yukimura isn't actually anything special when it comes to regular rally. The #11 was presumably comfortably ahead of him during a rally and there's no reason to believe Yukimura held back since he was already using his eye power during the rally. However there are only two instances of people breaking out of the 'strip senses' move and both cases appear to be unique, or at least unique enough that it doesn't seem like Atobe would be able to learn something similar at this point.
    Eye power? Read the manga lol. It isn't about eye powers with Yips.
    We've only seen two people break out of Yips. They both needed Auras.

    Nothing suggests Atobe cannot be Yipped.

    ---------- Post added at 04:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:18 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    He won't be able to, strictly score wise, PoP 6-0 Yukimura. +Yukimura return a ball only because Echizen intentionally slow down the ball. He would be completely embarassed if not for that. I'm not sure if his new "dream" would work on PoP. I'm going with no for now.
    ?
    I just implied Tezuka would win. Tezuka VS Anybody won't be a good match I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    Because Tezuka has Tezuka zone, just the first door alone is enough to defeat Yukimura since Yukimura won't be able to do his super fast return to get around the doubling effect. Yes he can hit back a double powered shot too but the match against Ryoma suggests that he can't do it forever. You need more base power than Tezuka to damage him (see Kabaji versus Tezuka, returning a double powered shot does damage to Tezuka somehow, otherwise the match would just be an infinite loop) and Yukimura does not appear as a power player, so Tezuka can beat him even with just the first door alone if Yukimura doesn't use the strip senses move (or more accurately, have it neutralized by Teni).
    You think Hyakku Ren and TZ is all thats needed to defeat Yuki?
    You think Yuki has doubled return?

    Have you read the manga Phantron? TZ means a rally, since Yuki will return all the shots. Rally means Yips.
    Tezuka hasn't won everything he set out to win. So he loses.
    With just TZ, Quite a few MSers would beat NationalsRound2!Tezuka.

    ---------- Post added at 04:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:22 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    It's pretty clear that Yukimura isn't actually anything special when it comes to regular rally. The #11 was presumably comfortably ahead of him during a rally and there's no reason to believe Yukimura held back since he was already using his eye power during the rally. However there are only two instances of people breaking out of the 'strip senses' move and both cases appear to be unique, or at least unique enough that it doesn't seem like Atobe would be able to learn something similar at this point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    If we go by the explanation given by the book, it'd seem like as long as you're not scared of Yukimura you shouldn't lose your senses and a move like Atobe Kingdom would work fine,
    Not that simple. Sanada isn't scared of his best friend. Still got yipped.
    Ryoma is unbelievably arrogant and is scared of anyone. Still got yipped.
    Fuwa wasn't scared of a middle school brat. Still got yipped.

    Atobe Kingdom shouldn't be simply enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    but that didn't work for #11 who for whatever reason thought Yukimura was a joke, and still lost all his senses anyway and probably got hit by some other Naruto eye power too.
    He didn't. He realized that he wasn't going to win at that rate, so he thought let me go all out.
    But it was too late. The guy got yipped.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    Teni Muhou no Kiwami is probably not going to be a big deal in the world of NPOT (the Japanese coaches sure didn't seem very impressed), though since Teni Muhou no Kiwami specifically counters Yukimura's strip senses move, there's no way Yukimura stands a chance against Tezuka at the moment. As long as you have your sense you only need the first 2 doors of Muga to defeat Yukimura anyway. There's no reason to believe if Ryoma didn't lose all his senses he couldn't have defeated Yukimura by using the first two doors, something Tezuka already mastered even before NPOT. Though Yukimura seem to gain an upgrade to his magic-like power in NPOT, I'm inclined to agree with the theory that Teni Muhou no Kiwami must grant immunity to all magic-like effects so whatever Yukimura did against #11 shouldn't work on Tezuka.
    I don't think Ryoma would have simply won back in PoT even if he hadn't been yipped.
    SKnK is said to have limits.
    I don't think Konomi would have had it that Tezuka's Semifinal ablities would be enough to defeat the final rival to Ryoma.

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    Re: Yukimura vs Atobe, Who will win?

    #11's eyes glowed the same color as Yukimura's when he says his eyes are mirrors, which implies that Yukimura's yips came from his eyes ala Naruto. It'd actually make more sense than the 'people freak out against Yukimura due to extended rallies' since #11 obviously didn't freak out on extended rallies.

    Without his supernatural power there's no reason to believe Yukimura wouldn't have lost to Ryoma after he learned how to utilize Muga energy better. Yukimura left an opening (which Ryoma scored on) after he returned a standard double powered return shot, which means he cannot return twice his own power indefinitely. The problem with defeating Yukimura is that it takes something really extraordinary to break out of the yips and if you can't break out of that you'd obviously have no chance of winning. But his baseline ability, as described by #11, is just 'better than I expected, but still just middle school tier'. Consider moves like Atobe Kingdom are clearly above middle school tier, of course it'd score on him, though Atobe would probably be blind shortly after scoring a few points.

    In some sense Yukimura is more like a 'power' player, like the guys who try to physically kill you by hitting the ball hard enough rather than actually trying to win 6 games. There's no doubt his baseline stats are very high, but if not for his ability to psychically assault his opponents, he'd definitely lose to the Tezuka tier level of characters, possibly even lower tier characters.

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    Re: Yukimura vs Atobe, Who will win?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    #11's eyes glowed the same color as Yukimura's when he says his eyes are mirrors, which implies that Yukimura's yips came from his eyes ala Naruto. It'd actually make more sense than the 'people freak out against Yukimura due to extended rallies' since #11 obviously didn't freak out on extended rallies.
    No. That is how Konomi draws eyes when somebody is stunned.
    Look at Yuki's eyes, and go back to when Sanada unleashes Black Aura, when Ryoma unleashes TMnK.
    Read the databooks. There are no eye powers in the series besides Motion Vision and Mental Pressure.
    Seriously, re-read the manga. You've made constant errors in your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    Without his supernatural power there's no reason to believe Yukimura wouldn't have lost to Ryoma after he learned how to utilize Muga energy better. Yukimura left an opening (which Ryoma scored on) after he returned a standard double powered return shot, which means he cannot return twice his own power indefinitely. The problem with defeating Yukimura is that it takes something really extraordinary to break out of the yips and if you can't break out of that you'd obviously have no chance of winning.
    No. Yuki returned everything Ryoma brought to him. Ryoma also didn't aim the Double-Returned shot near him.
    We don't know that yet.
    Secondly, Yukimura cannot be just Yips if Sanada could not score against him when Yuki wasn't using Yips.
    And Sanada is amazing. So your theory is completely flawed man.

    But his baseline ability, as described by #11, is just 'better than I expected, but still just middle school tier'. Consider moves like Atobe Kingdom are clearly above middle school tier, of course it'd score on him, though Atobe would probably be blind shortly after scoring a few points.

    In some sense Yukimura is more like a 'power' player, like the guys who try to physically kill you by hitting the ball hard enough rather than actually trying to win 6 games. There's no doubt his baseline stats are very high, but if not for his ability to psychically assault his opponents, he'd definitely lose to the Tezuka tier level of characters, possibly even lower tier characters.

    ---------- Post added at 05:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:43 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    In some sense Yukimura is more like a 'power' player, like the guys who try to physically kill you by hitting the ball hard enough rather than actually trying to win 6 games. There's no doubt his baseline stats are very high, but if not for his ability to psychically assault his opponents, he'd definitely lose to the Tezuka tier level of characters, possibly even lower tier characters.
    Since when did he try yo kill opponents? He aimed 2 serves at Sanada out of respect so Sanada could hit them likely, as he noticed that Sanada fought against Yips so well he was still standing. Unlike Kintaro, Ryoma and Fuwa.

    Yuki would definetely lose to Tezuka tier characters? You need to re-read the manga and come back. You just don't get it.
    Yuki is nothing like a Power Player, and why would he lose to lower tier characters? that's just stupid.
    His ability is to be able to return every kind of Special Shot. He sees through all special shots.

    So you're saying Yanagi or Inui > Yukimura without Yips then? Kind of insulting Sanada then aren't you.
    Who Sanada viewed extremely highly of.

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