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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
This is an epic match between good all around type of players, but who do you think will win? And if you think so, can you state your reasons? Thank you.
Yukimura has more technique, speed, mental, and probably strength than him. Yukimura can see through every shot, also he has yips. Atobe has a strong mental, but that isn't enough to break out of yips. Also, Atobe has to score points against Yukimura to avoid the yips, he has Atobe Kingdom but maybe he can score 1 or 2 points, Yukimura can hit hard shots to prevent Atobe from hitting it or steal his vision and then he can't use his insight. Furthermore, Yukimura's new technique could fuck Atobe up, he could make him believe he's winning like Fuwa but he's being defeated. Koori No Sekai is useless, Yuki doesn't have any blind spot, and all of Atobe special moves will be returned.
Overall, Atobe won't stand a chance against Yukimura. If he's having problem against Ochi Tsukimitsu and Muuri Juzaburou, who are No.9 and 10 respectively, then he doesn't have any hope of defeating Yukimura, because Yukimura would defeat those two without problems. Yukimura would breeze through No.10 to 6, No.5 to 1 are another story, but Atobe isn't going to defeat, even take a game, against Yukimura. He's too far from reaching that level of skill.
Last edited by LetalHawk; May 15, 2012 at 04:05 AM.
Are you saying that even if Atobe activates his Atobe Kingdom where he can see the points where your body is unable to reach or react to? I don't think Yukimura can Dislocate his joints to reach those weak spots a human Physiology has.... But i do respect your comment since It's really rational, what you are saying...
Of course nobody can do that, but Yukimura's yips are the reason. Atobe scores one point, then a long rally and Yukimura steals his vision, then feeling and hearing, then game over for Atobe, or makes him elieve he's winning when he's being beaten.
I don't see Atobe even giving a hard time to Yukimura, he isn't any better than he is. Just because he does't have enough skill to even the match.
But if we talk about Irie, then that's different, because Irie walks over Atobe just like Yukimura.
Last edited by LetalHawk; May 15, 2012 at 04:38 AM.
Yukimura should have this handeled. Even with all the power ups Atobe has been given, Yuki is just too solid of a player.
Going strictly based off of matches. Ryoma beat atobe in the hyotei match, then Ryoma played it even with kintaro (although I think kintaro could have won that point if he made it an even longer drawn out match because I think he has more stamina then ryoma at that point anyways), Yukimura then owned kintar without removing his jacket. Both Yukimura and Atobe have been training just about the same amount at the U-17 camp, so they should have added approximatel the same amount of skill (an assumption), so since Yukimura showed to be the much better player before, my vote it for Yuki.
Another reason I think Yuki is better is because imo, Sanada > Atobe and Yukimura has probably beat Sanada every single time up until now (starting back from when the first met I am assuming). It is true that things are different one people are matched up face to face, but I think Yukimura has alot of overall dominance.
So yeah, Atobe unless his stats are significantly weaker than Yukimura's.Quote:
Seriously, I'll accept Atobe has improved, but remember Yukimura ALSO improved, it's all about Yukimura returns all of Atobe's shots, then makes him blind before he activates AK or when he activates it and then game over.
There's no way Atobe would defeat Yukimura . If he doesn't stand a chance against Sanada, Echizen, and probably Akutsu, there's no way Atobe's going to win this. Yukimura's yips are too much for him, Atobe will never be stronger than Yukimura. Yukimura's base tennis and shots are better than Atobe's, he could hit winners against him and make him run around the court, that way, AK will never work. Plus, he forces him into a long rally and yips him, and then Atobe is lost. Also, Atobe's only weapon to actually score some points is AK, but he only can use it for a short period of time, and Yukimura forcing him to run around the court makes AK useless, then he doesn't have anything to face him. Also, Yukimura walks over Atobe stats-wise.
6-0 all the way for Yukimura. I want to hear somebody saying that Atobe is capable of beating him, when there's no proof and Yukimura has more than enough points in his favor to crush Atobe.
Last edited by LetalHawk; May 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM.
@ Kaoz, Yukimura "ability" is to find ways to break people's techniques apart. Like hitting Rai back, for example. Other examples can be seen in PoT.
This match really depends on whether or not Yukimura can break Atobe Kingdom and World of Ice. However, as far as we seen, Atobe Kingdom seemed to have same weakness as World of Ice. Tezuka/Samurai Zone may be able to negate this technique. It could have been the way that Yukimura will use to return Atobe Kingdom. After all, Yukimura have a pretty insane technique, so he might be able to pull it off.
I myself am voting and going for Atobe. For ALL the reasons Kaoz already mention, to be honest.
But I just dislike when there's not enough evidence to support the other side of the arguments. That's pretty much it.
I don't think there is enough information about Atobe Kingdom yet. I mean, we have no idea what the limitations are, if there are any. If Atobe can just hit to the dead angles of anybody at any moment, why did he almost lose to Irie regardless? One may argue they are losing right now because it is doubles, however, if there is no limitation on this technique, Atobe is instantly the best when it is a shot that is mechanically impossible to return.
Either AK just wasnt working meaning it isnt as absolute as we thought it was, or there was a limit.
Fuwa wasnt necessarily dominated I dont think. He and his CE must make him a powerful player as he must definetely be above Hakamada Izou at least who was pretty good.
It wasnt shown that in rallies Fuwa was getting dominated and BAM!! He suffered Yukimura's brand new Yips which completely destroys the opponent.
I'll accept its not a given that Yukimura will defeat Atobe, but its just that it showed that technique survives AK when Irie faced Atobe, and in this series out of the MSers, Its kinda fair to say Yukimura has perhaps the best technique out all of them with a few in contention with him.
My example of great technique is the fact that he can easily return FuuRinKaZanRai which would rape all MSers minus Ryoma and Tezuka. (Atobe cant return it).
We dont know how good Yuki's technique stat is, but there is a lot of evidence to suggest it is significantly above Atobe's.
Sanada as amongst those at the top of the MS tier is the medium. Atobe couldnt cope against Sanada til WoI arrived. Yukimura can cope.
Atobe struggled and lost to Muga!Ryoma. Yukimura shut it down.
Last edited by Airgrimes; May 15, 2012 at 01:07 PM.
Well, Atobe actually completely dominated Irie as far as we see until his leg injury. So that could be limitation
So, is this topic of injured Atobe VS Yukimura?