One Piece 668 Discussion

[Daniel]

About the chapter, I subscribe most of what Blackhair has said.

And I'm of the opinion that the Yonkou in question is Big Mom, for a number of reasons, most of them already stated before.

1. Plot wise it wouldn't make sense to make another Yonkou an antigonist right after starting to develop on Big Mom

2. It's too earlier for Luffy to clash with Blackbeard.

3. It's not Shanks, Luffy wouldn't use this kind of method to attack Shanks, he will give back his Straw Hat after he becomes the PK (or nearly so) and maybe then, and only then, he will challange Shanks to a fair bout. Similar to what Zoro will do with Mihawk.

4. Then we have to see between Kaidou and Big Mom which one makes more sense. Law's plan involves using CC, CC is developing a Candy drug... candy... that makes people really big and strong (Big Mom?), it also makes people addicted to those candies, let's say for example, if CC is kidnapped and isn't able to supply Big Mom with those candies, that would cause "chaos" wouldn't it?

5. Then there is another detail that makes me choose Big Mom instead of Kaidou. It's that Kidd is also targeting Big Mom, already effectively attacking her ships, and seeing the trio Law, Luffy and Kidd back together is something I see as likely. On top of that, as it was mentioned by many already, there's the Fishmen Island and Jinbei issues that only reenforce the idea that Big Mom is the logic target.

[Zehahaha]

@Rayleigh

I doubt the candies that CC is using have any relation with BM, we already know why he's using it, it's just to keep the children hooked to him.

Also, what CC is developing again, isn't the candies, they're not his goal obviously. He's certainly continuing his research about that weapon he created, if it was juste about drugged candies, then he wouldn't be so dangerous anyway.

[Tonix]

Do you think its possible that Ceasar is responsible for making Big Mom big? If Ceasar was giving Big Mom drugs to increase her fighting abilities, that would explain her insatiable appetites and seemingly irrational moods, and it would link this saga together very nicely imo. This whole drug thing started on Fishman Island where Luffy first challenged Big Mom, and now the Strawhats are on another island filled with drug users that is apparently linked to a Yonkou somehow, this could be a pattern developing, I think maybe Big Mom's faction of pirates will consist of a lot of pirates who use weird drugs instead DF powers. (Or maybe in addition to DF powers)

[Daniel]

Yes, but how did he survive his dingy getting blown the fuck up twice? And how was he rescued when no one was there to rescue him? The only ship in the vicinity was the government ship from which the Tenryuubito shot him. Dragon's ship was nowhere to be seen.

As I said in the post, I agree that Sabo is dead, for the reasons stated, I just said that the sentence said in Dragon's ship, could provide an excuse, although lame imo, but still an excuse to develop on something happening "off screen". But again as I said, I think that's nearly impossible, and if true, quite lame.

I don't agree with that, I mean ace wanted to be a pirate captain, but then he join WB, Nami really hated Pirates but then she became one, and for all of those type of examples Oda created a good story so maybe if Sabo is alive and a revolutionary Oda will create a good story for that XD for the raw I clearly see something covered, I'll wait for others scan xd

Wrong man, Ace's dream, as yelled at the cliff, was to become a strong and famous pirate, making his name known in the whole world, and thus being acknowledged by the world. And that's what he became, first as a captain then as the 2nd commander of the WB pirates.

Nami hating pirates was for a specific reason, and that is an unrelated issue because it doesn't concern her characters dream. We know just how important dreams are in One Piece. Sabo's dream was, just like Luffy's and Ace's, to become a pirate, not a revolucionary.

[Vespa]

mmmm Now that I read again big mom in fishman island speaked also about her gastric acid, so I'm no more sure that her costitution is related with some drugs but to a devil fruit, something that forces bib mom to eat, however the candy theory still is good imho because CC candies could make BM dipendent.

[Kaiten]

This sentence of Law - " Once we have successfully kidnapped Ceasar, things will start moving, and fast. Once we get there, there's no going back. " - is very interesting and quite mysterious, especially the last part. To me, it means capturing Ceasar is a part of the plan otherwise they could change their mind after that. The word kidnapping if it is correctly traduced means that there would be some people willing to get back Ceasar and these people are directly or indirectly linked to the Yonko.

Not mysterious: once they throw the plan in motion the Strawhat and Heart Pirates will be at war with a Yonko and in mortal danger. Once these events begin to transpire they will no longer be able to pause or take a break. While it does seem that Caesar is part of Law's plan, he explicitly stated that he is not after a ransom. What he wants is "chaos", or to cause "confusion", depending on what translation you read. There is no reason to believe that Caesar has a connection to a Yonko, nor any reason to believe his kidnapping will stir the interest of the great and powerful.

If not, there could be some going back after they took care of Ceasar. This raised the question of Joker, the marine traitor. We know that he is aware of Caesar's doings in Punk Hazard and that he helps him working and kidnapping childs without marine investigations. So I guess this is the one who would react automatically as soon as Ceasar get beaten and captured. If there is no going back, it means that this Joker will definitely become their enemy and that fighting Joker will definitely make one of the Yonko their foe.

There is nothing in the text of the story linking "Joker" to a Yonkou, only blind speculation. "Joker" is clearly tied to the Marine and corruption in the New World, not the Yonkou. Joker may be important in a future arc, centered around the Marine, rather than the war against a Yonkou. Oda is not afraid to foreshadow upcoming arcs, sometimes several years in advance.

So I guess that Joker is one of the Yonko's minions who is infiltrated in the G-5 Marine for this Yonko's interests. That would explain why Law told Ceasar he should never tell Joker he is here : Joker is aware that there is some "important key" on this island and he wouldn't tolerate Law's presence because it would interfere with the Yonko's interests.

What makes you think "Joker" has any connection to a Yonkou? The only thing we know is that "Joker" is a Marine based at G-5, covering up child kidnappings for Caesar. Oda has not drawn any connections between ''Joker" and a Yonkou, or even loosely hinted there could be connections. Nor has any connection been drawn between Caesar and the Yonkou. Caesar has connections to the World Government and Vegapunk, Joker to the Marine. There relationship should indicate some level of corruption in the New World, "Joker" should appear as part of a Marine and Government oriented arc.

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mmmm Now that I read again big mom in fishman island speaked also about her gastric acid, so I'm no more sure that her costitution is related with some drugs but to a devil fruit, something that forces bib mom to eat, however the candy theory still is good imho because CC candies could make BM dipendent.

Acid reflux sucks in real life but you all might be reading a bit to much into things Just because CC can manufacture medicine it does not mean he is manufacturing medicine for Mom. No need to draw connections the author himself has not indicated.

Nothing indicating that was stomach acid. It could have been drool. She happened to have been salivating in hunger at the time, her drool could be corrosive. http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_p...9/c651/12.html

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Usually salivation is a visual indication of hunger, not vomiting stomach acid Wouldn't it make a little bit of sense if her devil fruit gave her corrosive saliva, rather than allowing her to droll stomach acid.

[k-dom]

We don't know if Joker is that marine traitor. We know there is a traitor, we know CC report to someone called Joker. But it was never said those 2 are the same person. The traitor could be just an unimportant subordinate of Joker just in G5 to cover the kidnappings.
Even if Joker is not related to a Yonkou, the confusion related to CC kidnapping aims at helping fight a Yonkou. I don't see how a confusion on the marine side would help the pirate alliance to their goal. So either CC or his higher up is related to a Yonkou. It is then not that far fetched to see a relation between Joker and Yonkou.

[Daniel]

I agree with Kaiten regarding Joker.

Actually people might be giving a little too much importance to Joker imo. For what we know he is a corrupt marine working with or for CC, and that's it. I don't think he will be a major figure because if he was someone worth of notice I think Smoker, a very inteligent person and on top of that a Haki user, would have noticed him.

About Big Mom's saliva, I agree again, that was probably just drool. Why would it be something else? Still that doens't mean that she is not connected to CC, and through his candies at that. It's irrelevant that CC's goals are related to the nuke weapon, at least in this respect, because the fact is that he produces this candy, independently of the nuke project. And the candies are not a small issue, as Law said himself, creating giants is something the WG is after for a long long time, so... it's important.

Back to Big Mom and the candy, I'm of the opinion that Big Mom is Lola's mother, as such her enormous size might be unatural (compared to Lola that is a more or less normal sized human), ie caused by drugs, and while I think Big Mom is "addicted" to most candy in the same way Luffy is to meat and Zoro to booze. This specific candy might be an exception. And as I said, it feats the "chaos/confusion" Law mentioned and that might also be the reason why, as soon as you attack CC there's no turning back in the plan because they will get the Yonkou's "attention".

[Lord Rayleigh]

@Rayleigh

I doubt the candies that CC is using have any relation with BM, we already know why he's using it, it's just to keep the children hooked to him.

Also, what CC is developing again, isn't the candies, they're not his goal obviously. He's certainly continuing his research about that weapon he created, if it was juste about drugged candies, then he wouldn't be so dangerous anyway.

I already knew that the drugged candies were for the children and what were Ceasar's own plans - there were stated by Law. Anyway, Ceasar's plans are for himself and his revenge, so there aren't Joker's plans. That's why I guessed than in exchange for Joker's cover up - who I think is a Yonko's minion - Ceasar provides the Yonko something. Thus I theorized anti-acid candies for Big Mom's stomach, which prevent her from becoming berserk.

That would be because of his acid stomach that Big Mom ate her own nakama during Fishman Island's arc. The confusion Law is talking about could be turning Big Mom - who as we've seen doesn't care much about Yonko's governance (remember Tamago's frightened advices) - into berserk mode. From what we've seen about her personnality, and Peckoms and Tamago's reactions to her phone call, I wouldn't be surprised if Big Mom was an unstable and crazy Yonko each time on the verge of freaking out.

If she was to destroy her own territories or attack anybody because she can't control herself anymore, that would make a big change in the New World balance. That would bring chaos within the pirate world. I think that's a theory that could turn true. The key could be anti-acid candies or something else but I never understood the key Law talked about as a weapon or person in itself/himself. I think the key is really about making Big Mom lose her mind. Thus it would explain the "no going back" sentence of Law.

[Daniel]

I think Jinbe will not join SH too early, if i remember well someone on FI said jinbe's bounty is over 400.000.000 and i think the captain should be the one with the higher bounty so imho jinbe will not join before luffy and his crew make some trouble first XD (The bounty matter is only a theory but it should be that way)

That's not necessarily the case. Take Blackbeard as an example, before the timeskip his bounty was 0, yet he recruited world criminals from level 6 that are likely to have considerable bounties on their heads. Of course that by now BB has a huge bounty on his head, but at the time he didn't, which means that as the captain he wasn't the one with the higher bounty, or bounty at all xD.

Also by the time Jinbei joins, ie when the issue with Big Mom is solved, Luffy's bounty might increase again if he does defeat Big Mom.

[k-dom]

I agree with Kaiten regarding Joker.

Actually people might be giving a little too much importance to Joker imo. For what we know he is a corrupt marine working with or for CC, and that's it. I don't think he will be a major figure because if he was someone worth of notice I think Smoker, a very inteligent person and on top of that a Haki user, would have noticed him.

That would be true if Law didn't mention him too. Why would Law care for an unimportant corrupt marine ?

[khaja_200923]

I read lots of boring posts but here's some food for thought.
1.Who's the yonkou(Never mind it's gotta be either kaidou/bigmom.)
2.Who is Joker?(a cipher poll division head?/new marine admiral?)
3.From whom did ceaser got permission to take care of G-5 marines including smoker(VA).(Joker/Five Elder Stars)
4.What is the key hidden on Punk Hazrd?(Special weapon/technolgy or Secret information Regarding WG.)
5.Why did Law took shichibukai position.(to get hold of the key on PH/have connections with someone in marine/other reasons)
6.Will Law give up his position as a shichibukai?(obviously he should be stripped from the title by WG. but will he?)

[Daniel]

That would be true if Law didn't mention him too. Why would Law care for an unimportant corrupt marine ?

Because one of Law's reason to be in Punk Hazard is because the island doesn't get caught by a log. So he doesn't want his presence at PH to be known outside of it. That would include Joker, a corrupt marine connected to CC but I agree that through CC he might also be connected to a Yonkou, Big Mom in this case. But working with, or for, CC and through that with, or for, a Yonkou, doesn't make him more or less important as a character. Imo he is just a corrupt marine, or WG officer, that was bought by CC to hide his doings at PH.

I read lots of boring posts but here's some food for thought.
1.Who's the yonkou(Never mind it's gotta be either kaidou/bigmom.)
2.Who is Joker?(a cipher poll division head?/new marine admiral?)
3.From whom did ceaser got permission to take care of G-5 marines including smoker(VA).(Joker/Five Elder Stars)
4.What is the key hidden on Punk Hazrd?(Special weapon/technolgy or Secret information Regarding WG.)
5.Why did Law took shichibukai position.(to get hold of the key on PH/have connections with someone in marine/other reasons)
6.Will Law give up his position as a shichibukai?(obviously he should be stripped from the title by WG. but will he?)

Regarding Joker, imo it's not like Joker "gave permission" to eliminate Smoker, is more like, on CC request he confirmed that he would make Smoker's dead related to something else, thus "giving him permission" because otherwise CC wouldn't be able to cover the death of such individuals like the White Hunter and the SH Pirates, which means he couldn't do it because he needs to keep his presence in PH secret. And about him being an Admiral/Gorousei. Again I think it's too much, if he is in G5 he is of lower rank than Smoker.

[mattiaildivino]

LOL,luffy ahsn't understood what an alliance means yet... he thinks it means to be friends,maybe he won't allow law to interfer in that battle . btw,we have to see law's crew as soon as possible

[Rody naruto]

@Kaiten

Not mysterious: once they throw the plan in motion the Strawhat and Heart Pirates will be at war with a Yonko and in mortal danger. Once these events begin to transpire they will no longer be able to pause or take a break. While it does seem that Caesar is part of Law's plan, he explicitly stated that he is not after a ransom. What he wants is "chaos", or to cause "confusion", depending on what translation you read. There is no reason to believe that Caesar has a connection to a Yonko, nor any reason to believe his kidnapping will stir the interest of the great and powerful.

In order to create confusion it is pretty obvious that they will need someone who is really important enough to that yonkou in order to attract his attention.Law is seems to be well informed and it seems like he knows what he is doing. So i doubt that he would want to create "confusion" with some random character.My guess is that Ceasar is working under or in connection with a yonkou(definetly Big mom IMO) because i am pretty sure Ceasar had to use someone important both in the government(Joker) and in the pirates side in order to make that island become invisible. So from that,it is easy to imagine the chaos that his capture will bring.