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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Kidd's Alliance taking out Big Mom at the same time that Luffy and Law take out Kaido. O_O That would just be epic! And the chaos that would ensue would be amazing. The WG would be having reindeer left, right and sideways! I think everyone kinda wrote off/forgot about the Kidd, Hawkins & Apoo Alliance in light of all the events going on in PH. (Or at least I kinda did.)
Gah! I wanna see it go down like that! It might even lead to a face off of the original Supernovas which should be pretty epic too! All the chaos... All the fighting...
Bleh I don't see the point of making Luffy/Law target Kaidou, considering BM is pissed at Luffy, and considering more that once Pekoms/Tamago will be back to meet BM and that she'd probably open the Tamatebako, the bomb will explode on her face (God I hope for that so badly), and she'd go on a rampage probably targeting even FI
And if Law/Luffy begin attacking Kaidou, having two Yonko's at your back would simply mean instant death for both of them
Thats why Kidd/Hawkins & Apoo would have to attack Big Mom first... The Strawhats don't know about the bomb and Kidd has proclaimed on a number of occasional that he won't let Luffy do whatever he likes. My previous post on this thread states why I think it will be Kaido first instead of Big Mom.
And then again, what would be the point of Luffy making FI his turf if Kidd's alliance would be the one to take down BM ?
Then all that build up about Luffy defying BM would be useless, and just a waste of panels
Kaido would be better since there is no way they take out big mam imo. Someone who can kill blackbeard who has two super strong devil fruit powers.
Anyways, I dont think as they are now they can fight any1 lol two supernovas vs a yonkou that probably has tons of pirates like whitebeard....
Last edited by BlackSword; September 09, 2012 at 09:03 PM.
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meaning that she is strong as hell and i dont think luffy's and law's crew combined are enough for someone who is on par with whitebeard the man who destroyed like over half the marines and almost killed akainu andddd she probably has an alliance with many strong pirates like whitebeard
Found it! And that's definitely food for thought... Probably doesn't mean she is 'stronger' than the other Yonkou it probably just means she has a power that could work as a direct counter to Blackbeard.
Last edited by BlackSword; September 09, 2012 at 10:41 PM.
That was just a figure of speech. They said that the only ones who could stop Blackbeard after the war were Marco + the remnants of WB crew and the other Yonkou. It was meant to show how strong Blackbeard now is since he is the first one to ever "eat" 2 DFs, not the showcase how strong the other Yonkou are (who at that point should still be stronger than BB since his usage of the fruits was not that good 2 years ago). Now 2 years after BB is probably really adapt at using both DFs + his crew keeps getting strong DFs.
Concerning BM, to me it seems like she is supposed to be the Crocodile of the NW, someone who is actually really strong but has not fought a serious fight for a long time. She just seems to use her power and influence to get as much food as she can and live a leisured life. I still agree though that Law + the SHs + Sun Pirates would still not be enough but there is still the "key" Law was talking about (presuming his target is BM). Also, like many of you mentioned, the Alliance of Kidd, Hawkins and Apoo targeting BM is not that unlikely, so we can look forward to a nice arc. In my opinion Zehahaha is right though, Luffy declaring war on BM at FI in order to make FI his turf would not make sense at all if Kidd was the one who to take BM down. The Alliance KHA would just help to fight the crew, we´ve seen at Marineford what kind of amazing people are under one of the Yonkou, so them fighting the crew would make sense.
Ofc it is, if she wanted to annhilate FI, she'd have probably asked Pekoms and Tamago to do that, and since the SH's were there, it would've mean a direct clash with herQuote:
And also, if Kidd would the one to do that, it would render the whole bomb thing inside the Tamatebako useless
Also, Kaidou wasn't even introduced, didn't do NOTHING to Luffy, had no interaction with him...
I haven't read through this entire thread, so forgive me if I'm just repeating what's already been said. I just came here to voice my opinion.
1. I don't believe Luffy would've agreed to join up with Law against Shanks.
2. I think it's too early in the story to be going up against Kurohige, and Luffy wouldn't have smiled at the time if they'd been talking about him. Also, Nami and Usopp wouldn't have behaved the way they did - they know about Luffy's trauma and how it pertains to/stems directly from Kurohige's actions, and they wouldn't have just been obsessing about how dumb it is to pick a fight with a Yonkou, they'd have been more tense and serious.
3. Luffy is the type to settle his own fights himself, without asking others for help or relying on others. That doesn't mean that he always tries to do everything himself - he knows better than that by now (I hope), and can rely on his nakama. So, if he'd already started a fight with someone, he wouldn't agree to team up with someone midway unless it was absolutely necessary. Therefore, I don't believe the target is Big Mam, since the fight hasn't even truly started yet, war has only been declared.
Thus, by means of deduction we arrive at our conclusion: Kaidou.
The other thing is that we know for certain that at least Kid is also on the bad side of Big Mom, with the alliance of the Super Nova going against Big Mom, well I don't see the point of all going together against her, but it can also happen, well, its mostly speculation on our side.
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In the same fashion of that little clash between Luffy and Lucci back at Water 7 if let's say it was Zoro who beat Lucci instead
You disregard the OBVIOUS build up, so that you can justify Luffy/Law going after Kaidou, while the guy has yet to be introduced to begin with, it's nonsensical
Yes Luffy eating all the candy didn't seem to piss off BM that much, hence the bomb thing in the Tamatebako, that would definitely push her to hunt Luffy
Last edited by Zehahaha; September 10, 2012 at 03:00 PM.
Kaido and Big Mom are the the options we have because Luffy will not fight against Shanks and his reaction against Blackbeard would be different. On regards to the statement of Luffy kicking BM ass, it lead to think that the fighting would be against her, but Luffy is not the one proposing which Yonkou to attack, is Law who said that he has a plan to take down "one" of the Yonkou's, so the plan is specifically to attack one of them and that doesn't require to be Big Mom or be related to the past incident in FI, even if Luffy said what he said.