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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
One thing, you can't be sure that sage mode can't save naruto for genjutsu. Sage mode naruto can still absorb natural energy to cancel the genjutsu. Afterall, naruto is already one with the nature. And from the fact that naruto right now can go into sage mode in an instant. Meaning, he can make a senjutsu chakra in an instant, not by concentration but in an instant.
So, sasuke never cancel itachi's tsukuyomi for being an uchiha and has a sharingan, but rather, he did escape by using his other chakra, which is the CS. And naruto can used his sage mode chakra in an instant like sasuke's CS.
Last edited by Rikudou King; June 09, 2012 at 09:59 PM.
Thus, Naruto can and will feel SOME effect from Tsukuyomi regardless of how long it is.
If you want to say Itachi went all out with his Tsukuyomi on Kakashi, prove it. Kakashi's statement and the truth about Itachi proves he went easy enough on Kakashi.
Genjutsu messes up chakra control, which Naruto needs to get into Sage Mode. Therefore, if he can't control his chakra, and if Itachi keeps him unable to concentrate, Sage Mode is not happening.Quote:
He still needs to concentrate to get into Sage Mode, otherwise he wouldn't need to stay still. It takes him at least one second to do this, so it's not instant. And it leaves him wide open.
Itachi might let Naruto get into Sage MOde inadvertently though. Itachi doesn't rush in like Raikage, he observes his enemies, which might give Naruto time to get into Sage Mode if he doesn't go for the attack.
Closing tenketsu doesn't kill because the chakra is still in the body, but it can't be used. The chakra was still flowing in Naruto's body. When Kabuto prevented chakra from getting to Naruto's heart, Naruto would have died.Quote:
Naruto tried that against Itachi and failed. Before Sasuke vs. Itachi, Naruto didn't even bother to do that. Safe to assume it'd be difficult for him to get out of Itachi's genjutsu. As for Sasuke's genjutsu, it's iffy.
Yet Itachi was able to use genjutsu on Sasuke to help him escape from Kabuto's genjutsu. Sasuke was also able to use genjutsu on Itachi's MS. MS and Sharingan don't give protection against genjutsu, it's all up to the users.Quote:
Not really since Naruto would be continuously tortured and unable to concentrate, as well as have his chakra control and flow too messed up to collect and balance Natural Energy.
Sasuke did transform into his CS form. http://www.mangareader.net/93-393-12...apter-388.html
And one thing, sasuke draws out his chakra but the evil one. His regular chakra is different from his CS. That's the reason why he transform into his CS form, his chakra will become a cold/evil one. So yeah, it's not a seperate source of chakra, but it was different kinds of chakra.
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I thought kabuto was directly attack naruto's heart for stopping the heartbeat and not that he preventing naruto's chakra from getting to naruto's heart.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-393-6/...apter-388.html , itachi did clearly stated that sasuke can't defeat him with just a sharingan. Sasuke can't defeat itachi's tsukuyomi with just his sharingan. That's what the manga has shown. So sasuke did escape to itachi's tsukuyomi through his CS mode. And not by having an uchiha blood and a sharingan.
That's an illusion. Again, if Sasuke had really used CS, then we would see the markings upon him or him transformed when they return to the real world. He wouldn't appear like normal had he actually activated it. And no, the Cursed Seal draws out the user's own chakra. It's not a separate or different kind of chakra. It's the user's very own chakra. Sasuke's chakra is naturally cold, as we have clearly been shown even after he had lost CS.
No he didn't. He sat still. There was no training of body (he sat STILL), and sure as hell wasn't any training of mind. Inorder to learn sage mode he mastered balancing his chakra with natural energy. That's not strengthening your mind or body. No.Quote:
It doesn't work like that. Kakashi surviving Tsukuyomi had nothing at all to do with willpower, chakra reserve, mind power, or physical strength. It was simply due to his access to a Sharingan aswell as his proficiency with it. That's it. That's all. I don't care how much willpower Naruto has, I don't care how much he believes in himself, and I don't care how well he's mastered Sage Mode. If he doesn't have a Sharingan and Uchiha blood, Tsukuyomi will one-shot him.Quote:
It IS an instant in the real world. It takes an instant in the real world to cast the jutsu. But that instant in the real world lasts longer inside of the victims mind. You think that because the time inside of Kakashi's mind was 3 days that that means Kakashi had a whole 3 days to manage to escape, and that Naruto does aswell. That's not the case.Quote:
This is 100% wrong. I won't dwell on it too much because english obviously isn't your first language, but I'll still explain it to avoid any more discussion on it later:Quote:
Kabuto states that Orochimaru couldn't become a true sage like him. He means that he himself WAS a perfect sage, which is a feat that Orochimaru himself wasn't even good enough to perform. He could not become a perfect Sage, which Kabuto was, proven by the fact that he had become a dragon (horns), where as Orochimaru had not.
An analogy is if I was comparing my drawing skill to my brother, and he was an inferior artist. If I was bragging (which Kabuto was), I would say "You will never become a perfect artist like me." Because I'm a perfect artist. And he isn't. The "like me" part doesn't mean that I'm including his failure in the description of myself as if I'm saying "you will never become a perfect artist just like I've never become a perfect artist."
Yes I can, since we've already seen a PERFECT SAGE get caught with Genjutsu and fail to escape it. Granted, Izanami is on a whole nother level from Tsukuyomi or basic Sharingan Genjutsu. But the fact of the matter is, Kabuto's sage chakra hasn't saved him from the illusion yet. So there's no reason to assume the same will happen with Naruto.Quote:
Secondly Naruto is not one with nature, or else he'd never run out of natural energy. Thirdly, where's your proof that Naruto can absorb natural energy while trapped in a Genjutsu? Reaching Sage Mode requires a perfect balance of chakra and if you're caught in a Genjutsu, your chakra is at an imbalance. It's altered by your opponent.
No he didn't. He closed 64 of them. And there are far more than 64. He took away his ability to use jutsu, that's all. He even states it here:Quote:
You're half right. He did say that regular Sharingan can't compete to his MS. And it's true. Regular Sharingan can't compete in a test of pure power. No regular Sharingan can produce the same feats that his MS can.Quote:
But just because it can't compete with it in power, doesn't mean it can't defend successfully. If it were true then he wouldn't have told us that all it takes is a Sharingan aswell as "the same blood as him".
You're wrong. If what you're saying is true, that means the Curse Seal is more powerful than Sage Mode. Because Kabuto's Sage Mode couldn't break him out of Izanami, but Sasuke's Curse Seal broke him out of Tsukuyomi.Quote:
Either you accept that Sasuke's Sharingan and uchiha blood saved him from Tsukuyomi, or you accept that the Curse Seal gives one more power than Sage Mode. Which one of these makes more sense?
Sage Mode is different, as his chakra control is still too messed up. Sage Mode doesn't happen in an instant, Naruto still has to concentrate, even if for a second. Naruto wasn't moving until he got into Sage Mode.Quote:
Enough time for Naruto to be put in a genjutsu. He's been put in a genjutsu by Itachi almost every time they met in Part II. Naruto was still looking at ET Itachi in the eyes and staying still right before Itachi used Amaterasu on Nagato's summons.Quote:
Bijuu Mode won't work, it'll make Naruto a bigger target. Susano'o's shield is enough to protect Itachi, and he can always outrun bijuu bomb if he knows it's coming, provided it's not coming at lightning speed. If what Madara says is right, then not even the Kyuubi with half its power can stand up to Madara with complete Susano'o.Quote:
How would his chakra flow be stopped? His chakra would still flow, but he'd be unable to use chakra.Quote:
He had to severe the chakra connection to avoid Naruto's heart being healed, if I recall.Quote:
Won't happen because his chakra would be messed up, and Naruto would be unable to concentrate. Sage Mode won't work.Quote:
... this does not work as Sasuke does have an Uchiha blood and Sharingan....Quote:
Manga hasn't shown Naruto getting into Sage Mode in an instant. More like at least a second. Doubt Naruto will have time or ability to get Kyuubi's chakra when he's busy being tortured.Quote:
Probably losing at Madara and 1st Hokage.
There's some people arguing about Naruto being caught in genjutsu, but as the manga stated a few times, it isn't posible to catch a jinchuuriki in genjutsu since their bijuu will restore the flow of chacra.
And yes, Sasuke used his Sharingan to brake Tsukuyomi. As Zetsu stated, it isn't needed a MS to escape Tsukuyomi if u have enough skill with the three tomoe sharingan. However, this Itachi vs Sasuke fight can't be taken seriously as Itachi didn't want to kill Sasuke.
Last edited by metalia; June 20, 2012 at 07:33 PM.
Manga never said it was impossible to catch a jinchuuriki in genjutsu. We saw it happen to Bee twice. Naruto will be caught in a genjutsu, no doubt, since all evidence points to that. However, the Kyuubi will either tell him or break him out of it if it needs to. The problem is whether it'll be in time for Naruto to defend or get hit.