Kushina vs Sasuke

[xXan]

So Kishi aparently hates women and never showed us any OP babes. So i decided to make 1 myself.

This is Kushina before she lost the Kyuubi. Asume she can use 100% of the Kyuubi power by forging her way (chains). Sasuke can't suppress the Kyuubi. She can go biju mode like Bee and not like Naruto. Asume what Bee can do with his biju Kushina can to (aside from busting genjutsu).

Asume Kushina can do any and all water jutsus showed in this manga.
Asume Kushina can do any and all seals showed in this manga.
Asume Kushina has Bee level of speed, normal and chakra mode.
Asume Kushina can do Shadow Clones and has Naruto level of Mastery over them.
Asume Kushina knows about sharingan and MS.

Fight starts with Kushina having 3 SC out and spread out. They fight in Konoha creater.

[Prince Sasuke]

Assume Kushina has a counter for all MS jutsu
Assume Kushina has a counter for all lightning jutsu
Assume Kushina has a counter for Kirin

Assume Sasuke decides to not show up for the fight...

[ninjabot]

Sasuke.

I'm serious; the only thing giving anyone the belief that Naruto's Bijuu Mode could be immune to Amaterasu is the fact that it's an ethereal aura shaped like a fox instead of a flesh-and-blood-and-fur fox. Kushina however has the hairy, animal like fox, meaning he burns just as easily as Gyuuki.

That said, there's another reason why Sasuke wins, and it's canon proof that she has no chance:http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/367/12

Kushina's fighting style and personality is similar to Naruto's.

That was a kind way for Tsunade to say "Kushina was a vapid moron."

Or that's how I interpreted it.

[LnDRash]

Kushina wins.

First she will use Tajū Kage Bunshin no Jutsu to multiply herself like bacterias. Then all those hundreds of shadow clones are going to barf out water domes, so that the whole fire country gets flooded.

While Sasuke is torn around by water torrents, all of those clones are going to liquefy and fuse with the water domes they created, which turns them pretty much immortal.

Because Kushina can sense hatred thanks to Kyuubi, and Sasuke is a walking mass of hatred, she will have no trouble locating him inside that ocean, so he's going to take a barrage of Daikoudan Missiles from all sides and angles.

Since she has the full pre-nerfed (Full Yin/Yang Chakra) Kyuubis chakra and she's an Uzumaki, her chakra pool is pretty much unlimited, so all of that shouldn't be a problem.

Alternatively she can come up with something like"Tajū Kage Bunshin no Jutsu: Uzumaki Lariattoooooooo Barrageeeeeeee!!"

Btw. why doesn't she get Sage Mode? With those frog eyes and her red hair she'd be like one of those Strawberry poison-dart frogs.

That was a kind way for Tsunade to say "Kushina was a vapid moron."

Now come on... don't say something like that...

On top of the Uzumaki Genes from his mother, Naruto also got Blonde Genes from his dad's side of the family, so what do you expect? Kushina is a pure breed red head... and those are clever by default... at least if they are female... or cats. Take a look at Karin for example: She's so clever she needs to wear glasses, which in turn puts her into the same league as Kabuto.

Here you have proof:


Thank you Karin.

[xXan]

Sasuke.

I'm serious; the only thing giving anyone the belief that Naruto's Bijuu Mode could be immune to Amaterasu is the fact that it's an ethereal aura shaped like a fox instead of a flesh-and-blood-and-fur fox. Kushina however has the hairy, animal like fox, meaning he burns just as easily as Gyuuki.

That said, there's another reason why Sasuke wins, and it's canon proof that she has no chance:http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/367/12

Kushina's fighting style and personality is similar to Naruto's.

That was a kind way for Tsunade to say "Kushina was a vapid moron."

Or that's how I interpreted it.

Well if she is in tails mode, not the full biju form then the chakra should protect her to some extent. Also having lots of clones around helps. Now even Bee was able to get out of Amaterasu in full biju form, he just decided to stop fighting.

Also i don't agree with Naruto/Kushina being a "vapid moron". Yes Naruto is used for coming relifed way to much (like that Nagato thing, forgetting about absorbing powers...) but he showed some good tactics when he had to.

[Delbi]

So you give Kushina all these extra powers that she has no business of having, and then take away Sasuke's ability to suppress the Kyuubi with EMS? Very fair of you.

[xXan]

So you give Kushina all these extra powers that she has no business of having, and then take away Sasuke's ability to suppress the Kyuubi with EMS? Very fair of you.

You whant a fight or do you whant people coming in here and stating. Sasuke looks at her and she dies? Of course i had to give her some extra powers (lots of them) to make it a fight. If i would not give her those powers it would not be fair as Sasuke would STOMP.

As it is now we have something to debate. Remove what i stated in the OP and we have NO debate... I am always fair to Sasuke when i dabate about him(or at least i think/hope so). But what we have here is the only way i can make this a fight.

Also she has the Kyuubi so that is why i gave her the ability to use it.
She is from Whirlpool Country that sounds like water stuff so i gave her water.
She is from the Uzumaki clan so i gave her seals.
She fights like Naruto (from what is stated in the manga) so i gave her clones.

Now if Sasuke would be able to take away Kushina's ability to use the Kyuubi what would she do? Come on man this is FAIR.

[Delbi]

Why not match Sasuke up with someone who has a chance of fighting him then? I'm not quite sure you know exactly what you gave Kushina. And even if we take away her use of the Kyuubi she can still:

Create 1000s of clones

Form ANY water jutsu in the manga meaning she has all of Kisame and the 2nd Mizukage's water jutsu which is overkill in an of itself.

O, and she can use ANY seal in the manga. Those include The Death God, all of Minato's seals, Danzou's binding seal, the ability to break summoning contracts etc etc.

If you wanted to make it a fair fight, why not just put someone else against Sasuke instead of powering someone else up and limiting Sasuke so you could make a fight that he might actually lose...

Also, you give her knowledge of Sasuke yet Sasuke knows nothing about her? Hmmmm...

[xXan]

@Delbi

Aparently we have people giving the win to Sasuke? Also i wanted something new. We have Sasuke vs just about anybody in this manga. A little fanfic and a little creating debating never hurt anybody. She is now like a new caracter in the manga having a diferent skillset that would be interesting to see people debating about.

The dome would be good, her going puddle mode would not protect her from Amaterasu.

The Death God - and kill herself? Also she can't use that ... She is a jin... Only someone who is NOT a jin can use it.

Minato's seals. And what seal that minato showed would help her here? There is no evidence that even the 1 used to stop the Kyuubi could be used on any summons dude. That contract was used to stop Tobi's connection to the Kyuubi BUT a summon that would follow Sasuke because it whants to it would not stop. Also big deal if he losses the hawk lol.

Danzou's binding seal. That Sasuke was able to bust out EASY by simply activatiing Susano...

Also what is there to know about Kushina? That she is a jin? He would figure that 1 out easy and fast. Water Jutsus? Big deal he has RAITON and a sharingan to see it. For Kushina the ability to know about MS is a must to NOT GET 1 SHOOTED. Big diference.

In the end i fail to see why you people enter a fight that you don't like just to QQ about it? You don't like it just ignore it and move on. Nobody is forcing you to post here and i broke no forum rules in this topic.

[Uchiha_Blood]

Kushina wins, too buffed in my opinion.
All seals of the manga means a KB would prepare the seal thingy Jiraiya used to seal Amaterasu and let the original enjoy the view.
Or let Sasuke burn one of the copies, the Sharingan can't distinguish the original from the copy after all, also with chakra shroud she would be too fast to be hit anyway.
Hell, she can let the 2 KBs turn into Kyuubi mode and blast Sasuke in the stratosphere. Too much buffed, its like the whole 25 Madaras doing Susano'o

Now come on... don't say something like that...

On top of the Uzumaki Genes from his mother, Naruto also got Blonde Genes from his dad's side of the family, so what do you expect? Kushina is a pure breed red head... and those are clever by default... at least if they are female... or cats. Take a look at Karin for example: She's so clever she needs to wear glasses, which in turn puts her into the same league as Kabuto.

Here you have proof:


Thank you Karin.

Karin showed to have the same intelligence of Sasuke when she discovered the secret of Izanagi, so she must be a genius

Also, Kushina can probably embarass Sasuke with stories on his mum and her changing his diapers, or something like that.

[xXan]

@Uchiha_Blood

All seals of the manga means a KB would prepare the seal thingy Jiraiya used to seal Amaterasu and let the original enjoy the view.

She does not have that big scroll JMan had. I never said anything about her having scrolls or anythign like that. Also just sealing Amaterasu that is on the ground is not going to help her considering Susano has a flametrower to apply it again easy.

Or let Sasuke burn one of the copies, the Sharingan can't distinguish the original from the copy after all, also with chakra shroud she would be too fast to be hit anyway.

I don't think Bee can get to Raikage level of speed and reaction times. Raikage can dodge it, Bee i really don't think so.

Hell, she can let the 2 KBs turn into Kyuubi mode and blast Sasuke in the stratosphere. Too much buffed, its like the whole 25 Madaras doing Susano'o

She can't exacly do that. Kyuubi transformation does damage to the dude, that means a clone would go POOF. Remember that the Kyuubi chakra damages the host when you transform and so it would not work. Naruto could do it but not Kushina considering she has Bee like transformation. Naruto in RM has "good" chakra.

Karin showed to have the same intelligence of Sasuke when she discovered the secret of Izanagi, so she must be a genius

But her plan to stop attacking Danzou was bad. Sasuke had the right idea to keep attacking as Tobi corrected her moments later.

[Impossibility]

Every water release technique is quite an extensive list including some of the most wide-scale attacks seen in the manga. Mass clones would be particularly useful against an Uchiha. Add on the seals and Bee's impressive speed, and voila Kushina is a beast.

Yeah. Kushina seriously could wreck Sasuke in so many ways in this match-up with the abilities she's given.

[DEATHBOTT]

does the 2nd mizukages jokey boy tech count as a water tech? that could help out alot.

[Delbi]

Yeah. Kushina seriously could wreck Sasuke in so many ways in this match-up with the abilities she's given.

Yea she certainly could. Sasuke's saving grace might be Amaterasu and having Sussano to protect him. But if Kushina creates thousands of clones Sasuke is going to be hard pressed to find the real one, especially since they all have Bee's speed and the capabilities to use any and all water techs and turn into the Kyuubi.

[Uchiha_Blood]

@Uchiha_Blood

She does not have that big scroll JMan had. I never said anything about her having scrolls or anythign like that. Also just sealing Amaterasu that is on the ground is not going to help her considering Susano has a flametrower to apply it again easy.

Fuuinjutsus can be done with or without scrolls ( and Jiraiya's one was a standard scroll, not a large one ), Naruto's key of the seal is the perfect example, Yondaime transferred it on Gerotora, the frog, and then Naruto acquired it, and used it himself without taking out or summoning that frog.

I don't think Bee can get to Raikage level of speed and reaction times. Raikage can dodge it, Bee i really don't think so.

Hebi Sasuke almost escaped knowing about it, Bee > Hebi Sasuke in everything so, with Kushina knowing about Amaterasu and MS, it would make sense for her to be able to do so.
Also, again, Sasuke can't distinguish between clones

She can't exacly do that. Kyuubi transformation does damage to the dude, that means a clone would go POOF. Remember that the Kyuubi chakra damages the host when you transform and so it would not work. Naruto could do it but not Kushina considering she has Bee like transformation. Naruto in RM has "good" chakra.

Back in the FRS training, a Kage Bushin went Kyuubi mode no problem.

But her plan to stop attacking Danzou was bad. Sasuke had the right idea to keep attacking as Tobi corrected her moments later.

I was being ironic