Naruto 588 Discussion

[shafagh]

There's no conformation in the Manga stating Sasuke has tsukuyomi, Madara either. Both has you Genjutsu with MS, but the only Genjutsu that had been comfirmed with MS as Tsukuyomi is Itachi. In fact, Itachi has never used MS genjutsu without stated in was Tsukuyomi until the last chapter... And that's probably because he lost his eye that had Tsukuyomi.

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Very interesting theory.

well , Itachi programed Shisui eyes for reacting gainst Tsukiumi .... Manga clearly showed that Shisui's eye react to Itachi's Tsukiumi not to his MS ....

[da_ni]

I’m really having a hard time rating all this new “power levels”… Is Rikudou suppose to be stronger than the current Madara? I know it’s probably true, but I’m reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly having a hard time believing it. Fact: Hashirama and “normal” Madara engaged in a fight that’s supposed to be legendary; Fact: Tobi withdrew at first sight when he saw Madara, without knowing the full extent of his actual powers, Tobi couldn’t possibly have Intel that Kabutou had rigged Madara with Hashirama’s powers; I believe the base of Madara’s current “awesomeness” is because he is an ET, and as such he has unlimited Chakra, is immortal, and as such he can span crazy techniques like there’s no tomorrow with no drawback, which I believe Rikudou Sennin wouldn’t/shouldn’t be able to do… This is why I believe that if THIS Madara ehre to face off against KS, he would win… BUT, couldn’t Itachi defeat Madara (I dear to say) EASILLY? Itachi has Totsuka sword, it would be at least easier for him to seal Madara… This fight only proves that none of the current Kages have sealing knowledge enough to defeat Madara, they are tryin to match power with power, and against this Madara that’s a big NO NO.

[marshall313]

I don't think so. Itachi said something like "Susanoo is the final jutsu that awaken with his MS. Sasuke said " Susanoo is awaken with a double MS," not that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi is needed to awaken Susanoo.

I agree. but does zetsu stated that in MS, the left eye possess the most powerful ninjutsu and the right eye possess the most powerful genjutsu? kakashi has the kamui and not the amaterasu. And shisui has the koto while itachi has the tsukuyomi. So in MS, any uchiha has different left eye power, which is the ninjutsu, while they have the same right eye power, which is the genjutsu.

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well , Itachi programed Shisui eyes for reacting gainst Tsukiumi .... Manga clearly showed that Shisui's eye react to Itachi's Tsukiumi not to his MS ....

No. itachi programmed shisui's eyes to react to his eyes, which is the MS. And if sasuke is going to fight naruto, sasuke's EMS will going to react to the crow and sasuke will be caught to genjutsu, which is shisui's koto.

[l!nk]

http://www.mangareader.net/93-402-13...apter-397.html

according to this, sasuke should have tsukuyomi.

[Kay3795]

I’m really having a hard time rating all this new “power levels”… Is Rikudou suppose to be stronger than the current Madara? I know it’s probably true, but I’m reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaly having a hard time believing it. Fact: Hashirama and “normal” Madara engaged in a fight that’s supposed to be legendary; Fact: Tobi withdrew at first sight when he saw Madara, without knowing the full extent of his actual powers, Tobi couldn’t possibly have Intel that Kabutou had rigged Madara with Hashirama’s powers; I believe the base of Madara’s current “awesomeness” is because he is an ET, and as such he has unlimited Chakra, is immortal, and as such he can span crazy techniques like there’s no tomorrow with no drawback, which I believe Rikudou Sennin wouldn’t/shouldn’t be able to do… This is why I believe that if THIS Madara ehre to face off against KS, he would win… BUT, couldn’t Itachi defeat Madara (I dear to say) EASILLY? Itachi has Totsuka sword, it would be at least easier for him to seal Madara… This fight only proves that none of the current Kages have sealing knowledge enough to defeat Madara, they are tryin to match power with power, and against this Madara that’s a big NO NO.

NO WAY IN THE WORLD IS MADARA STRONGER THAN THE ORIGINAL RIKUDOU!!!
It might be unbelievable (not to me though) but there's no way he's stonger.
Rikudou is the father of all techs. That means he could create anything he pleased with Izanagi(And he I believe he created many things without losing his eyes) i.e The Tailed Beast. He created the whole moon. He defeated the 10tails buji who was said to destroy the WORLD. Madara is (by far) the a worn-down version of Rikudou

[young simba]

I just want to know how the mortal madara would stack up against Naruto. Because realistically Naruto is the most powerful perskn "alive"

[mattiaildivino]

Kabuto ET second tsuchikage jus as i had guessed.what awaits when you progress beyond the sharingan
Kabuto: Is the rinnegan?..
Uchiha madara: i awakened these eyes shortly before my death.

it doesn't say anything about having senju blood and uchiha(sharingan)...in fact even if tobi gave nagato the rinnegan, nagato doesn't have any uchiha blood or sharingan in his past

but Tobi did state that he fought that battle only to gain access to hashirama's cells,in vol. 54 http://www.mangareader.net/93-57473-...apter-510.html
and Madara did check wether he had hashirama's mokuton or not http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/561/8 http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/561/9 .
He didn't say that when he showed the rinnegan,but he did confirm that some moments later http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/575/12 .

about nagato,it's true that he didn't have sharingan or mokuton,but he was an uzumaki and maybe his father was an uchiha. Furthermore,kakashi can use the sharingan despite not being an uchiha,that's why he has some troubles in using it. maybe nagato's rinnegan was weaker than madara's for the same reason.

[donyusufahmed]

I just want to know how the mortal madara would stack up against Naruto. Because realistically Naruto is the most powerful perskn "alive"

The end will still be the same, we are talking about someone whose name invokes the word POWER once heard. When you hear the name, uchiha madara, the only thing you will be able to think about is power. Not to talk about technique, but he has way more knowledge and experience than Naruto. Sage Mode +/and Kyuubi mode wont cut it. He will need much more.
Madara will win.

[Kay3795]

The end will still be the same, we are talking about someone whose name invokes the word POWER once heard. When you hear the name, uchiha madara, the only thing you will be able to think about is power. Not to talk about technique, but he has way more knowledge and experience than Naruto. Sage Mode +/and Kyuubi mode wont cut it. He will need much more.
Madara will win.

I doubt it. I think Naruto is stong enough to defeat Madara

[mattiaildivino]

Guys,check mangastream version! the chapter is much better there,not just because of the drawing,but because you understand much better what the characters say! such as the fact that the kage gave madara 2 possibilities: either absorbing the water and the lightning,or repel it together with the sand,being thus vulnerable to a jinton,though. Blackjack's review helps a lot too!

[young simba]

The end will still be the same, we are talking about someone whose name invokes the word POWER once heard. When you hear the name, uchiha madara, the only thing you will be able to think about is power. Not to talk about technique, but he has way more knowledge and experience than Naruto. Sage Mode +/and Kyuubi mode wont cut it. He will need much more.
Madara will win.

Seriously? Madara cannot possibly do all of the things and make the mistakes he has against Naruto as he has done against the kages. For one he would be capable of dying and running out of chakra if he is mortal and not an et

[mattiaildivino]

LOL,I didn't notice this in the first time: http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/76253973/15 ,A was freed by Oonoki,who nullified that illusion. it means that,notwithstanding madara possesses the EMS,he can't manipulate the time inside the tsukuyomi,as does itachi instead!

[Prince Sasuke]

http://www.mangareader.net/93-402-13...apter-397.html

according to this, sasuke should have tsukuyomi.

That was establish as a mistranslation a few years ago. The only jutsu Sasuke receive from Itachi was the fail safe Amaterasu.

[PoopNScoop]

Ok. I just want Onooki to die now. He is by far the greatest hero of this war. Naruto has Bee & 8-tails, Kakashi, 9-tails, and Gai. Onooki has saved multiple kages and soldiers. He has got the kages this far against Madara. I say Onooki goes down tanking a massive attack from Madara. We will then get a story reveal and then Edo Tensei will end. I don't think there should be any doubt that he is stronger than Muu.

[shafagh]

NO WAY IN THE WORLD IS MADARA STRONGER THAN THE ORIGINAL RIKUDOU!!!
It might be unbelievable (not to me though) but there's no way he's stonger.
Rikudou is the father of all techs. That means he could create anything he pleased with Izanagi(And he I believe he created many things without losing his eyes) i.e The Tailed Beast. He created the whole moon. He defeated the 10tails buji who was said to destroy the WORLD. Madara is (by far) the a worn-down version of Rikudou

haha , a sentence from kishi :

young generation will surpasses old generation !!!

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I doubt it. I think Naruto is stong enough to defeat Madara

yeah , maybe this time Rukkodo himself would come and save him

Naruto against Nagato >. QB and Minato saved him
Naruto against QB > Kushina saved him
Naruto against Tobi >> Kakashi and Guy saved him
Naruto against Madara/Sasuke >>> who would come and save Naruto !?

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Ok. I just want Onooki to die now. He is by far the greatest hero of this war. Naruto has Bee & 8-tails, Kakashi, 9-tails, and Gai. Onooki has saved multiple kages and soldiers. He has got the kages this far against Madara. I say Onooki goes down tanking a massive attack from Madara. We will then get a story reveal and then Edo Tensei will end. I don't think there should be any doubt that he is stronger than Muu.

Are you forget Konoha's hero , Uchiha Itachi !