Gantz 364 Discussion/365 Prediction Thread

[Damura]

But when you compare the motivation behind their actions, none of you agree with either.

You may not say he's right, but you are all on his side, and you all oppose kei.

And you can't say what will and will not save the japanese.

You're not oku

Stopping the giants does not equal controlling the world. If he's serious about that and actually has a plan or something, that's still far off into the future. For now it's just whether or not to stop the giants, and how.

We can say for sure that killing these giants will stop these giants. If others come.. who knows? And sure, Oku can do whatever he wants. If he wants the giants to just take off and leave forever with no explanation (as it seems like he may be about to do), then fine. There is still room for discussion.

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from the beginning of catastrophy...i thought there was the stipulation of the strongest/last gantzer would rule the world.correct me if i'm wrong...but i even think nishi stated this himself(like i said i could be wrong).i guess i better go do some digging...but i think it was when him and kato were in the same plaza during the invasion.
but,with the mechs about to be detonated when they reached tower...this rule the world bullshit was probably just another motivational tool by the zaibatsu

It's not as simple as 'the strongest guy rules the world'. Certain groups (such as the zaibatsu) will see their chance to take power but a single guy will never be able to control the entire world. Just wouldn't happen. That's nonsense.

Nishi and Izumi both pointed out some sort of international conflict. Izumi said something along the lines of "I want to show the world what Japan can do", as if it was some sort of competition.

[grosbedo]

Stopping the giants does not equal controlling the world. If he's serious about that and actually has a plan or something, that's still far off into the future. For now it's just whether or not to stop the giants, and how.

Maybe not so much. Remember that Nishi now seemingly got full control over Gantz, and probably killed all by himself the zaipatsu guys, so killing the Giants + becoming the zaipatsu himself = ruling the world. That's probably his plan.

Also, this ship seems to be the mothership, the other ships are probably just warriors convoys.

[Damura]

Even if he was stomping around in a mech he still wouldn't be able to rule the world.

This ship isn't the only one of its kind. The Americans said as much when they handed over the blueprints.

[grosbedo]

This ship isn't the only one of its kind. The Americans said as much when they handed over the blueprints.

Either:
- The americans are mistaken and this ship is the only mothership, and that would be why they gave these plans to the asian teams, so that they can stop it because they are handling other warriors ships.
- It is true and they are taking care of these other motherships.

But from what we saw at the beginning of the invasion, I would opt for the first option, since it's just more logical because we already saw that there are warriors ships dispatched just about everywhere, and secondly because it would be stupid to have civilians on every ships. This would be just too dangerous for the Aliens.

Anyway in either cases, if Nishi is now able to control the local Gantz by pure hacking means:
- 1st: he has control over the whole Asia (since this gantz was controlling Asia).
- 2nd: he may be able to hack the other Gantz by the same means he used here.

But obviously, having control on one Gantz center is already a big enough power to rule, maybe not the world, but at least some parts.

[Ruhina]

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Disagree. Couple of shots at Tae to distract, then finish him when his back is turned. HS would be able to pull it off. Nishi tends to fail about as consistently as Inaba though so who knows.

Yeah... that was kind of my point. Whenever Nishi makes a stand and doesn't take a cheap shot he fails miserably. The best he can hope for is that Tae falls off, with Kei jumping after. Otherwise, remember that Kei still has the plot armor, whatever Nishi might attack Kei with, it won't kill him.

If Tae dies however, I'll pay Oku money if he wants to.

[EliteBeatAgents]

It may be because this ideology that Kei has adopted from Tae is so unrealistic given the current context of the manga. The fact Kei even accepted Fra's wish, via Tae, after everything he has seen and experienced seems a little hard to digest. It goes against the grain of the manga.

Nishi's actions on the contrary, regardless of their source, are something we can understand much more easily. Whether or not they're flawed, they are realistic. Interspecies co-existence wouldn't work in our reality, and almost certainly not in Gantz's.

I'm unsure whether I should be happy or sad that Nishi is much easier to empathise with than the main protagonist at the minute.

Well the whole point of the series is that humans are assholes, and that kei slowly removes himself from that, but yeah, I see where you're getting at. I still don't understand how Oku easily changed kei's and nishi's character so quickly, suppose to cherry who had a build up and a reason for his rampage. I really wonder what will happen to the 2 keis if they ever get out of this alive. I wonder how their dad will feel.

[Damura]

Yeah... that was kind of my point. Whenever Nishi makes a stand and doesn't take a cheap shot he fails miserably. The best he can hope for is that Tae falls off, with Kei jumping after. Otherwise, remember that Kei still has the plot armor, whatever Nishi might attack Kei with, it won't kill him.

If Tae dies however, I'll pay Oku money if he wants to.

Nishi's entire strategy is the cheap shots. And he still fails!

Snuck up on Tanaka = dead
Snuck up on Nuri, obliterated it's entire body = dead
Fights a Jap SWAT team head on = dead
Cheap shot at Tae = dead

Doesn't seem to matter what he does, he's been gravely wounded a hundred times now (4).

@EliteBeatAgents: If Kei had ignored the giants or something and said that they can't do it because there's still humans onboard I'd be 100% behind him. That would be fair and reasonable to make a decision like that. Nishi still would have told him to fuck off but at least this whole scenario would make sense.

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Either:
- The americans are mistaken and this ship is the only mothership, and that would be why they gave these plans to the asian teams, so that they can stop it because they are handling other warriors ships.
- It is true and they are taking care of these other motherships.

But from what we saw at the beginning of the invasion, I would opt for the first option, since it's just more logical because we already saw that there are warriors ships dispatched just about everywhere, and secondly because it would be stupid to have civilians on every ships. This would be just too dangerous for the Aliens.

What?

The Americans have already attacked the ship in their area. The blueprints they had were for their own ship. They have even estimated the size of the insides of the ship to be about half of the U.S. or something (could be something a lot smaller, I can't remember).

In any case, it's MUCH safer to have civilians living in multiple ships. That way if one goes down the whole race isn't extinct. We're not talking about those little attack ships that the giants were using against the airforce..

[GAT-X252]

It would make more sense for the mothership to leave Tokyo if the other ships around the globe have been already destroyed by the foreign teams, they would be basically running away.

[Damura]

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Perhaps, but they have bombs. I would expect them to retaliate.

edit: although.. it does seem like they are just going to leave Earth. I mean everyone's assembled. They can't leave. Seems convenient enough to be true.

[kliff2004]

When watching Nishi and Kei fight, They have the suit masks on in some panels, and the masks off in other panels.

Is that a fuck up, or are we to assume its similar to how when you are watching from their perspective certain pieces of the armor aren't visible?

[Damura]

It's see-through. When you focus on the visor you can see who's in it. Oku shows us the faces to make it easy to tell who is who.

[Shion Izumi]

Kei is not going to kill Nishi. Nishi will get out of it and tell Kurono he can hack the Gantz balls. Kei will NEED Nishi to escape the ship. Even if he kills Tae, Kei will have Nishi res her back.

I see this going down.

-Nishi kills Tae
-Kei and Nishi fight
-Nishi is getting his ass kicked
-Manipulates Kei to not kill him because he hacked Gantz
-Destroys tower
-Escapes ship
-Returns to apt with the lap top
-Transfers rest of Tokyo team off the ship

[EliteBeatAgents]

Kei is not going to kill Nishi. Nishi will get out of it and tell Kurono he can hack the Gantz balls. Kei will NEED Nishi to escape the ship. Even if he kills Tae, Kei will have Nishi res her back.

I see this going down.

-Nishi kills Tae
-Kei and Nishi fight
-Nishi is getting his ass kicked
-Manipulates Kei to not kill him because he hacked Gantz
-Destroys tower
-Escapes ship
-Returns to apt with the lap top
-Transfers rest of Tokyo team off the ship

I doubt that'll happen since kei just got tae back only to have her killed (doubt it, superior plot armor) Kei wouldn't listen to reasoning, but I could see two things happening. Kei could kill nishi right there, or remember what tae said and kei's belief on not killing his own kind and leave nishi there crippled and beaten.

@Damura
speaking of bombs, I wonder if that's the alien's game plan. Leave earth and carpet bomb the place, and also so much for that build up with that alien getting revenge on kei for his brother. It's funny, it reminds me of akira getting killed.

[SK-Hao]

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Perhaps, but they have bombs. I would expect them to retaliate.

edit: although.. it does seem like they are just going to leave Earth. I mean everyone's assembled. They can't leave. Seems convenient enough to be true.

Yes isnt that always what humans do? Try everything, get frustrated then nuke the problem away.

@Shion Izumi: if Nishi kills Tae the last thing Kei 1 would do is negotiate with him.

[Damura]

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You know, I think the blast hit the bike just so Kei would be able to have a final moment with Tae before she dies. Just wouldn't be the same of the blast had hit her head on and disintegrated her face.