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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Maybe, but in the Gourmet World, if his only real skill is cooking, Komatsu is gonna die.

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Yes, no matter how good cook you are, you have to be at least considerably strong for not to die and Komatsu not only relies on Toriko and others in terms of fighting, but I don't know how he will physically pass as his body has to adopt to the different enviroments and for now he can't do this. Even Toriko had to undergone hellish training to adopt to tons of enviroments and I don't think that he can adopt really as fast as he needs.

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    i dont think, komatsu needs any fighting prowess to survive in the gourmet world. if he gets training to fight with knives or get injection of gourmet cells, it will mean komatsu as we know will be gone. and there r ample clues in the manga how he survives even though in terms of true power anything above lvl 2 creatures can kill him.

    a) this little guy isnt there for fighting anything. he is there to understand the ingredients in their natural habitats. he went to ice hell and yes if he were to be alone he would die but dont forget ppl always gets out of their way to protect him. (FHK, match, teppei, jirou)
    b) when in gourmet casino livebearer commented on how far this guy sees. it is bacuse he doesnt care about the true power he can concentrate on cooking.
    c) toriko when going down to heavy hole said ppl without power tends to get much more concious about their enviroments and how they will adapt. that in itself is how komatsu survives.
    d) he got shining gourami by being feeble. it is even mentioned setsuno cant do that.
    f) his melk knife made by derous dragon fang has a hell of an intimidation, and that beast became the king of this world. if he can just open his eyes (this probably wont work on ppl but beasts r enough) he wont have to be strong.just making those animals run away is enough for him.
    g) his being liked by ingredients is well demonstrated in sky garden. ozone herb was open for him but not for toriko. since almost everything on GW r ingredients they probably wont be as much of in danger as we think.( to komatsu)

    lastly i dont think, komatsu will stay as a weakling all his life. when he enters GW, he will accumulate power not in the way of FHK but as a normal human being. so when they return he will be much stronger than komatsu as we know but still not so superhuman. almost all the big name chefs seems to be strong thou i am not so sure every single one of them got gourmet cells. I surmise that he will not be any more than usopp of OP in terms of power but with his mega awesome cooking skills. (thou i will say i hope he learns to use revitalizing kitchen knives. or maybe he did from chiru when they cooked together.)

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

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    c) toriko when going down to heavy hole said ppl without power tends to get much more concious about their enviroments and how they will adapt. that in itself is how komatsu survives.
    I can't agree with you on this. Komatsu actually survives not because he is cautious (he actually isn't as well as he isn't that smart), but mostly because of a plot armour, otherwise he should have been already dead in Ice Hell, Sky Garden and that desert near Gourmet Pyramide...

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge D. Dragon View Post
    I can't agree with you on this. Komatsu actually survives not because he is cautious (he actually isn't as well as he isn't that smart), but mostly because of a plot armour, otherwise he should have been already dead in Ice Hell, Sky Garden and that desert near Gourmet Pyramide...
    true but that plot armour is what makes him what he is.and except the last bit even toriko wasnt so hot with the other 2. besides he died once already with the sand in the cave. give the guy some slack.

    abou his intelligence, maybe except with coco he might be smarter than the others thou not by a large margin.(his age group)

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Well, it depends on the point of view. For me it would be more interesting and logical to see Komatsu growing stronger and wiser at the same time to go to Gourmet World. For others it might not be the case. It's the point of view and that is why we are here - to discuss and share.
    Still I agree that I don't want to see him like a monster in terms of physical strength, but at least he should learn how to take down relevantly strong beasts and protect himself to some extent with his Dedrouth Knife and also to be able to adapt at least a bit to extreme enviroments before going to Gourmet World, otherwise I just won't buy him surviving there, cause it's just physically imposible as he is even weaker than a normal grown-up man, while even for Toriko as he was before Ice Hell Arc it was damn difficult to adapt and that's actually the most crucial thing in the Gourmet World.

    I would say that Toriko is considerably smarter and knowledgable than Komatsu, not even talking about maturity. Sunny also doesn't seem dumb, but I would say he might be compared more or less with Komatsu, but I would still put him above Matsu in terms of intellect and overall wisdom and maturity. The only one who is really dumb in their group is Zebra. And even though I wouldn't call him dumb in Shounen terms, but in terms of a grown-up person.

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    well ur right about that. that is the beauty about these forums. we share and see others POVs.

    about adapting, for komatsu it wont happen unless as some1 suggested without gourmet cells. and i will feel cheated and plot getting every which way for komatsu to get them.

    about the knife we feel the same he should at least be able to get its intimidation and cut them down to protect himself.

    in terms knowledge and maturity, their backgrounds vary not to say life experiences. komatsu is more like the stay at home read a book type while FHK is more put your body to learn so they have seen more in terms or the world.(they were poor from the begining so they learned like that from the start) but that doesnt necessarily translates as being smarter since they all cared for their own interests rather than advancement. in that regard they r no more than wild beasts( well they r beasts anyway... ) komatsu on the other hand gets those he experienced with the FHK and grown.for example, when in gourmet pyramid the book he found may not even considered worthwile by toriko and certainly zebra but he took it with him sensing something important. and from the rainbow fruit arc komatsu saw the boss gorilla when toriko just rambled about finding the boss and couldnt see the forest from the trees.

    i wil say thou that komatsu's constant screaming and crying gets on my nerves also. if only that seizes to exist.

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Look, the problem with the Gourmet World isn't just the extreme environment and powerful beasts. The problem is that it is always changing and inconsistent, turning from intensley hot, to extreme cold, to tornado-like weather, all with extrme gravity, and all in an instant. A normal person's body can't handle that. I'm hoping that in the upcoming Cooking Fest Arc, Komatsu will get, win or earn some new piece of equipment, like an auto-environment assistance suit, that can save him from the Gourmet World. Either that, or he'll need the entire entourage of 4HK to go along with him every step of the way.

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Well, no matter how you look at it to be logical he would either need a gt robot or get Gourmet Cells, otherwise he can't possibly enter Gourmet World for physical reasons. His body won't keep up and die just in the begining of Gourmet World... He isn't even average for normal human standards. He is damn weak for a normal human and even for a teenager, how can he survive the place not even any trained Bishokuya with Gourmet Cells can't survive.

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge D. Dragon View Post
    Well, no matter how you look at it to be logical he would either need a gt robot or get Gourmet Cells, otherwise he can't possibly enter Gourmet World for physical reasons. His body won't keep up and die just in the begining of Gourmet World... He isn't even average for normal human standards. He is damn weak for a normal human and even for a teenager, how can he survive the place not even any trained Bishokuya with Gourmet Cells can't survive.
    i was wondering same thing...even ootake got gourmet cells and komatsu cant survive gourmet world at his current level...but then many chefs out there are strong without gourmet cells...like chef of zen restaurant, setsuno and others...even toriko mentions that 4 beast shud not be a problem for him(millimetre yoda)...maybe just good food makes them strong too

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge D. Dragon View Post
    Well, no matter how you look at it to be logical he would either need a gt robot or get Gourmet Cells, otherwise he can't possibly enter Gourmet World for physical reasons. His body won't keep up and die just in the begining of Gourmet World... He isn't even average for normal human standards. He is damn weak for a normal human and even for a teenager, how can he survive the place not even any trained Bishokuya with Gourmet Cells can't survive.
    hey he could cut apart cabbage under 5 sec man. Thats way above average than normal people. If i wanted to do under 5 sec i would need a blender. Thtas some dex and skill. remember being a professional chef he handles a lot of ingredient himself as most real life chef do. Some requires strength like cutting apart huge tuna, beef ribs or incredible finese like puffer fish. Being a chef is not just about cooking, its more preparing. His strength agility and dex maybe even higher than us but since he travels with monster like toriko we tend to look over his ability.

    And remember he followed toriko in all those training on his own. Climbing the beanstalk, melk mt, ice hell, desert. i know i wont last 10 minutes in those situation. We tend to overlook that he is incredible because he is overshadowed by mountain punching monsters

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

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    Setsuno obviously does have Gourmet Cells... She was reffered as one of the strongest characters out there. Ichiryu mentioned her beeing capable of going through Death Falls like an easy walk, while Sani and Toriko barely made it together, when they obviously have Gourmet Cells.
    In this manga every strong person has Gourmet Cells. That much is obvious.

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    Well, here to actually cut something with knife isn't a real fit, because sometimes just by ocasionally swinging a knife you can cut a huge house apart. And it's not due to strength, but due to a sharpness of the knife you used... It was clearly shown in Melk Stardust Arc, when Matsu acquired his Derouth Knife...
    And about him going to the same places that Toriko... well, not always to the same places... he never actually adopted to any of them comparing to Toriko. He only managed to get this far due to Toriko's help and plot-armour, no matter how you look at it. Also, it was shown when they started to showcase how ferosious and astonishing Gourmet World is, they showed a very trained and strong Bishokuya who was also a specialist in weather and he stated that he couldn't do anything there, while Komatsu is way below a normal human in every term.

    P.S. And cutting cabbage in 5 secs... it's the same as a stadium that can contain 100 million people. It's just to show how good cook he is, not that he is that strong or quick.

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jorge D. Dragon View Post
    dex
    Setsuno obviously does have Gourmet Cells... She was reffered as one of the strongest characters out there. Ichiryu mentioned her beeing capable of going through Death Falls like an easy walk, while Sani and Toriko barely made it together, when they obviously have Gourmet Cells.
    In this manga every strong person has Gourmet Cells. That much is obvious.
    but it has never been mentioned that she has gourmet cells implanted...her going through death falls easily could be coz of her skill with knives...we have seen that chefs can use their knives more than just cutting tools...komatsus knife can split open huge rocks...weird old lady who is setsunos nemesis(forgot her name) cut open people just using her knife...and could have defeated toriko with just her knife skills...there is no relation of skill with knife with gourmet cells...although if every strong character there has gourmet cells implanted..then someday komatsu will also have to get them...coz otherwise he cant survive gourmet world...

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

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    You know, sometimes you don't have to mention that a person has something for it to be obvious.
    For example, the same Setsuno, when she showed her kitchen to Toriko and Komatsu managed to jump to that freacking cooking pot with eaze, while Toriko had to climb up their via stairs... So she obviously has way better physics than he has. She was also damn good with Ikkaku Knocking that the guy who managed to effortlessly take down two Beasts with a Capture level around 80-90 decided to flee without fighting her as he understood that she would have trashed him easily. And that's obvious that in order to be that strong you need to have Gourmet Cells...
    Every strong character in this manga has Gourmet Cells, otherwise they can't adapt to savage enviroments and get stronger after eating delicious food.

    Well, I do believe that Komatsu has to use Gourmet Cells, otherwise he can't survive in Gourmet World. Otherwise it would be an illogical thing. With his weak body he would have been crushed no matter how strong his friends are as he won't be able to survive under gravitation or extreme cold or changes in enviroment that Toriko had problems to overcome.

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    Re: About Komatsu's Growth!

    I so see the IGO coming up with some type of Super suit proto-type, for Komatsu for him to be able to travel to the Gourmet World..I believe we all had hopes for him when they ate the Poison Potato and he got all muscular too, it was kinda scary but I'm sure everybody was like Yay Komatsu may be able to sprint, and jump up tree and shit, but no lol that wasn't the case...I see him wearing a super proto-type suit only thing that makes sense to me...

    But The 1st day of the cooking Festival we get to see the Top tier Chefs of the Human world very very interesting to see so man different cooks and be given their specialty, that was kool. What i'm concerned with or pondering at the moment is that Komatsu and Toriko have meet up with many of these Chef's already. My question to you guy is does Komatsu deserve to be ranked at 88 amongst these Chefs?? Most of these Chef's are still above Komatsu's cooking skills of course but I believe he received his rank 1.He revived Century Soup 2.Simplified Medical Mochi in 5mins and made it possible to save all 300million 3.He discovered Mor's Oil.....1st 2 plays the biggest part if you ask me but..My thing is he's also Simplified food's that were only suppose to be eaten if you've mastered or know Food Honor and come to find out Chiriu who stated he was jealous of komatsu is ranked at #15...Also Livebearer is ranked pretty high and Komatsu needed just a little assistance from him..I believe Komatsu's actually skill level as a Chef is above 88 where he's been placed for now..These are just my thoughts but Komatsu has been around the best Chef's and he's been doing the same type of cooking more proficiently and tastier.

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