Naruto 589 Discussion

[Roman]

No you haven't because if you did, you wouldn't be so fixated on speed. That along with your 7 stats, Hashirama, and Minato, are not even a requirement for the concept I stated.

Look, you're 22 years old and you know how to educate yourself. I'm not going to spell anything out for you.

"Why?

All of Hashirama's abilities -- heck, any energy in the world is practically null if it can't interact with a/its intended target.

Kishi's job is to tell a story and not to not define the extent which his characters are bound to. In my scenarios Minato alone would've been enough to take out Hashirama."

This is what you wrote and yeah, I'm fixated on speed because your second sentence clearly points to that as an argument. Your third sentence states that each of us has an opinion to which extent someone's strong. Your "concept" is not so good that you could comment on someone's education, honey. You're 22 years old but you sound like a Sheldon, with a lot less intelligence.

[abyozuu]

a lot of ET were defeated and sealed. I don't think Kishi was going to show us all 30 something ET get defeated and sealed. I'm sure, as time passed, the rest of them would've been defeated and sealed. However, it made sense that the technique would need to be released. Otherwise, you would've had ETs wrapped in seals that could be freed at any time by some crazy guy wanting to destroy the alliance.

i would love to see the face of everyone, especially haters of useless flashbacks like me, if kishi devotes several chapters to each et shinobis we got little chance to know and we still get naruto's fight off paneled

[toussaintac]

i would love to see the face of everyone, especially haters of useless flashbacks like me, if kishi devotes several chapters to each et shinobis we got little chance to know and we still get naruto's fight off paneled

It's possible he'll give a synopsis in the databook or something like that. I think just one chapter would leave you wanting more, but who knows. Kishi could fill a chapter full of info if he liked.

"Why?

All of Hashirama's abilities -- heck, any energy in the world is practically null if it can't interact with a/its intended target.

Kishi's job is to tell a story and not to not define the extent which his characters are bound to. In my scenarios Minato alone would've been enough to take out Hashirama."

This is what you wrote and yeah, I'm fixated on speed because your second sentence clearly points to that as an argument. Your third sentence states that each of us has an opinion to which extent someone's strong. Your "concept" is not so good that you could comment on someone's education, honey. You're 22 years old but you sound like a Sheldon, with a lot less intelligence.

Dude, did you just called another guy 'honey'?

[Roman]

It's possible he'll give a synopsis in the databook or something like that. I think just one chapter would leave you wanting more, but who knows. Kishi could fill a chapter full of info if he liked.



Dude, did you just called another guy 'honey'?

Yeah, dude. He sounded like a frustrated chick I'm arguing with. Pssst, don't go off-topic. Also want to add this:

It's amazing that this God-like shinobi is praising Hashirama like this, even though he seems unstoppable. Present Madara is surely stronger than he was against Hashirama, but not by such drastic scale that you would question Hashirama's strength overall.

[panasit]

At least we know how could there have been an attack so large it created valley of the end.

[mattiaildivino]

He did. He helped beat Sandaime Raikage, half of Muu, those two bloodline users, He may have beat other zombies or helped beat them as well. not sure if he helped beat Mizukage though.

He's also helped freed the jinchuuriki and bijuu from Tobi's control as soldiers. Naruto's done a lot here.

I was talking about the clones that reached the other fights,though, such as the one whom we saw throwing a FRS against kimimaro. he and chiyo were still there: did they defeat him or did naruto's clone disappear on his own? I think the former

[M3J]

I really think that Uchiha Itachi is about to transfer something to Sasuke (Sword & shielsd).

I seriously hope not. If anything, the shield makes sense because it provides defense against Naruto's powerful attacks without killing Naruto. But I hope Sasuke doesn't get the shield or sword.

I also hope they go back to Part I style of fighting. Naruto and Sasuke were amazing in fights, coming up with strategies and ways to win. Seeing that employed is much better than the over-the-top DBZ style fighting we'll possibly see.

I was talking about the clones that reached the other fights,though, such as the one whom we saw throwing a FRS against kimimaro. he and chiyo were still there: did they defeat him or did naruto's clone disappear on his own? I think the former

Probably the latter, possibly in the same way the clone disappeared against Madara. Might as well be the chakra control being messed up when Naruto entered the bijuu realm when he was swallowed by Son Goku, or it was hard for him to focus getting into Sage Mode with all the clones. Which makes no sense.

[Roman]

If we look at Itachi's wishes, giving Sasuke some sort of weapon would contradict those wishes of his. It's in his interest for Naruto to win. I think he might transfer his memories or his feelings or something. The greatest weapon that Itachi could've presented to his little brother are his eyes of course.

[Rikudou King]

due you remeber what madara said about the kage being lucky that hashirama wasn't there cause if he was the landscape would have change more meaning all the wood tech. madara demostrated so far were not the tech.'s hashirama use to deal with this susanoo and alter the landscape in the past, because if those were the tech, then the comment he make doesn't really make sense considering the fact that those jutsu do indeed have a huge scale but it doesn;t really alter the landscape like what susanoo is doing, so no I don't think he use the tech. that madara demostrated to deal with that susanoo.
Also it seem like you are in the believe that hashirama use the biju in his fight against madara at VOTE but according to the little flashback the only one at that fight were kuuybi, madara and harashima, and no other biju in sight, Also we don't need to see madara's susanoo in that picture to show he uses it during that fight becasue all we have is one pic of the fight, he could have use it later, but the pioint is that we have to basie our logic on what we have and the best evidence so far is that one single picture which mind you only kuuybi, madara and hashirama so chances are high that hashirama didn't uses other biju in that fight.

Right, because Hashirama couldn't have possibly altered the landscape with his regular techniques... It's not at all as if we've seen Yamato, who ability was said to pale in comparison, do some pretty big alterations himself during Naruto's FRS training and when Kabuto had the Island Turtle flipped. And how did the Flowering World not alter the landscape?

And I'm not believing anything. All I'm doing is pointing out that you can't claim either way. You can't use the snapshot that we got as proof, because it's just that, a snapshot of a single moment. Just like you say Madara not showing Susanoo doesn't mean it wasn't used later, the same could easily be claimed about the other Bijuus. You can't have it both ways.

[abyozuu]

I was talking about the clones that reached the other fights,though, such as the one whom we saw throwing a FRS against kimimaro. he and chiyo were still there: did they defeat him or did naruto's clone disappear on his own? I think the former

or kimimaro did the bone forest thingy to disturb the nature of frs, before it hits them?

[huynhlan]

Right, because Hashirama couldn't have possibly altered the landscape with his regular techniques... It's not at all as if we've seen Yamato, who ability was said to pale in comparison, do some pretty big alterations himself during Naruto's FRS training and when Kabuto had the Island Turtle flipped. And how did the Flowering World not alter the landscape?

And I'm not believing anything. All I'm doing is pointing out that you can't claim either way. You can't use the snapshot that we got as proof, because it's just that, a snapshot of a single moment. Just like you say Madara not showing Susanoo doesn't mean it wasn't used later, the same could easily be claimed about the other Bijuus. You can't have it both ways.

You should clearly know what kind of altering the landscape madara was talking about, he make comment on it as he eliminate those mountains, and he said had hashirama been there the change would have been more drastic meaning hashirama posess tech. that are as destructive as that strike not the world flower which don't really alter the landscape in the sense madara was talking about. Also quick question why it's that you don't think hashirama have other powerful tech. in his pocket? It seem like you don't mind at all when an uchiha pull some crazy as hell tech. but you seem to be against hashirama or other character who are not uchiha to do the same, isn't that hypocrisy?

Also dude all we got is the snapshot, so it's only logical to base our logic around it, you need to remeber susanoo is a tech, so he can use it later, the biju are animal, so unless hashirama have contract with all of them then he can't summon all of them later in the fight, only a rinnegan user so far have demostrated the abilities of summoning different animals, so chances are that hashirama didn't bring the biju/ or use it in the fight. Also another hint that point toward hashirama passing out the biju before that fight is the fact the he pass it out with the intention of making peace with other villages, and from onnoki's flashback, muu and him were heading toward konoha for a peace talk, so this hint the at that point the rock village already got a biju from hashirama and they agree to meet up for peace talk and madara ruin that talk. Look at those two event should be obvious it's just like 1+1=2.

[abyozuu]

Yeah, dude. He sounded like a frustrated chick I'm arguing with. Pssst, don't go off-topic. Also want to add this:

It's amazing that this God-like shinobi is praising Hashirama like this, even though he seems unstoppable. Present Madara is surely stronger than he was against Hashirama, but not by such drastic scale that you would question Hashirama's strength overall.

with this giant susanoo how would be madara's fighting style?

if oonoki lets everyone fly, kages fly between legs of susanoo, they may be less prone to susanoo attacks. and with madara at the top his attacks may not reach to kages. when the kages are flying even the mokuton would seem less effective, they may recover in air if they got hit by shinra tensei. still, there is an option of meteor shower. would heavy rock technique of oonoki increase the weight of susanoo's legs tenfold, thus make it stuck in ground? then gaara would make 2 desert coffin for each leg to be strenghted by oonokis heavy rock. the rest is up to tsunade and raikages heavy rock flying lariat technique, full speed starting from 1miles away.

one thing u can not kill a mosquito with a swing of baseball bat because it is really hard to hit. with madara using rinnegan right now, it would be more difficult for him to hit the kages

[Rikudou King]

You should clearly know what kind of altering the landscape madara was talking about, he make comment on it as he eliminate those mountains, and he said had hashirama been there the change would have been more drastic meaning hashirama posess tech. that are as destructive as that strike not the world flower which don't really alter the landscape in the sense madara was talking about. Also quick question why it's that you don't think hashirama have other powerful tech. in his pocket? It seem like you don't mind at all when an uchiha pull some crazy as hell tech. but you seem to be against hashirama or other character who are not uchiha to do the same, isn't that hypocrisy?

Exactly what sort of altering do you think they were doing that would require more then what was shown? The sole example we have of an area being changed by their battle is VotE, which would completely fit with what we've seen from Yamato on a larger scale. And what do you mean it doesn't alter the land the way Madara was talking about? You can't say what he meant or not. Where have I claimed no other character can have powerful techniques? There's nothing hypocritical about it. Just because you don't think what we've seen from Mokuton and regular earth/water techniques is impressive, doesn't change that they clearly are. Else Mokuton obviously wouldn't be hyped up continuously as it's been.

Also dude all we got is the snapshot, so it's only logical to base our logic around it, you need to remeber susanoo is a tech, so he can use it later, the biju are animal, so unless hashirama have contract with all of them then he can't summon all of them later in the fight, only a rinnegan user so far have demostrated the abilities of summoning different animals, so chances are that hashirama didn't bring the biju/ or use it in the fight. Also another hint that point toward hashirama passing out the biju before that fight is the fact the he pass it out with the intention of making peace with other villages, and from onnoki's flashback, muu and him were heading toward konoha for a peace talk, so this hint the at that point the rock village already got a biju from hashirama and they agree to meet up for peace talk and madara ruin that talk. Look at those two event should be obvious it's just like 1+1=2.

Considering Hashirama was able to deliver them to the various villages, odds are he did possess a way to transport them without having to literally drag them everywhere. Summoning the Bijuus themselves, or perhaps whatever object they were sealed within, or even perhaps the Gedo Mazo, there are multiple ways it could have happen. The Bijuus aren't animals, they're nothing but chakra. And you're just speculating what Onoki and Muu were doing. Their comments imply they were already in an Alliance. Regardless, you can't say when they were passed out, since Hashirama passed them out when he was Hokage and war threatened. Maybe they were passed out later specifically because Madara was going around screwing things up with the other villages.

[huynhlan]

Exactly what sort of altering do you think they were doing that would require more then what was shown? The sole example we have of an area being changed by their battle is VotE, which would completely fit with what we've seen from Yamato on a larger scale. And what do you mean it doesn't alter the land the way Madara was talking about? You can't say what he meant or not. Where have I claimed no other character can have powerful techniques? There's nothing hypocritical about it. Just because you don't think what we've seen from Mokuton and regular earth/water techniques is impressive, doesn't change that they clearly are. Else Mokuton obviously wouldn't be hyped up continuously as it's been.

Considering Hashirama was able to deliver them to the various villages, odds are he did possess a way to transport them without having to literally drag them everywhere. Summoning the Bijuus themselves, or perhaps whatever object they were sealed within, or even perhaps the Gedo Mazo, there are multiple ways it could have happen. The Bijuus aren't animals, they're nothing but chakra. And you're just speculating what Onoki and Muu were doing. Their comments imply they were already in an Alliance. Regardless, you can't say when they were passed out, since Hashirama passed them out when he was Hokage and war threatened. Maybe they were passed out later specifically because Madara was going around screwing things up with the other villages.

dude if the mokuton show so far are really that impressive than tsunade wouldn't not question her grandfather's abilities to deal with madara's susanoo, there must be other thing tsunade didn't know about her grandfather, which madara pointed out, also have you seen the destructiveness of that susanoo, one slash look bigger than the VOTE to me, so what we saw at the current VOTE might actually be very differnent then what was show in the past. like it have ten of mountain in the surrounding and all of it were wipe out what ever, but clearly madara was implying on the fact that hashirama can change the landscape even more than what his susanoo demostrated in the same destructive way but the world flower alter landscape differently.
And yes you never claim another character can't have other powerful tech. but you are claiming that hashirma don't have other powerful tech. in his pocket are you not? You weren't against the fact or find it strange that both madara and sasuke have ems yet there is this much of a different in their susanoo, but you are making argument against hashirama possessing tech. as destructive as madara susanoo, and you try to imply that hashirama use other biju in this fight, it is clear as day that you are bias beyond word. When ever an uchiha do something that look ridiculy you defended furiously, yet when another character is mention to be supirior you try to make argument to undermine that character like he have show help from some othe entity instead of believe that the nonuchiha character actually having the power and tech. yet to be seen to do what was said in the manga.

Also again no one other than a rinnegan user have show to be able to sign more than one contract so what make you think hashirama didn't drag it to the other village, also it's obvious muu and ooniki were heading toward konoha and madara appear at the gate to stop them also without any incentive the other village wouldn't sign a peace treaty and if the biju were pass out later to fix what madara did then how the hell did the first ninja war happen?
Also if gedo really did belong to hashiram then how did nagato manage to summon him? did nagato wonder into a cave and he show the statue with a contract on it and decided what the heck and sign the contract?
The logical assumetion here is this, hashirama pass the biju out in order to show that he wanted peace and the other villages after getting the biju, the villages agree so they set up a day for the peace talk, and when they were at the gate madara show up to messes up forcing the other village to have bad blond with konoha and they decide to try to harness the biju they got from hashirama and when they learn of hashirama's battle with madara they would figure he would be injure so the launch their attack, and this effectively lead to the first great ninja war. And as you can see the event would fall in order.

[lifeforce]

the chapter is mind blowing. i think kishi wanted to show us besides the true power of uchiha madara the extent to wich sasuke's power could get to, so far his susanoo is incomplete and he hasn't awakened the rinnegan yet , with such power as a complete susanoo he could compete with naruto in his final bijju mode hell even stomp him but also let's not forget that sasuke's chakra pool is highly limited in comparaison to naruto wich could be fatal in a match with a guy who's endurance and chakra reserve are beyond normal.