Naruto 589 Discussion

[wooticus]

i also think that tobi will bring back madara and this will be the final battle.. but this time with a madara who is actually vulnerable and killable. well you could seal the edo tensei one but it's easy to go all out constantly with endless chakra & being invincible.. Madara made it look like the new generation sucks but he'll lose against naruto & sasuke who will surpass him together

[Zsych]

Alternatively, for Sasuke's the next power up after Tobi tells him of Naruto's new powers: Sasuke gets Orochimaru's senju research thanks to Suigetsu, and uses Hashirama's clone or Yamato to gain rinnegan... or he realizes there's a chance he can get it somehow through Naruto... except that few people know that the Uzumaki are a notable clan.

[Kay3795]

Considering how beat up Naruto is at this point, and how tired he has to be for going all night and all day, fighting Raikage, then a bunch of Zetsus, then whomping the magnet ET, then fighting Muu, then fighting Raikage, then fighting ET Madara, then fighting all the Jinchurikiis, then fighting all the Bijjus, and now fighting Tobi & Gedo Mazo...

Yeah - I just don't see Naruto being next up to take a poke at ET Madara. Nor do I see Naruto versus Sauske happening until the war is long over. I still think it is far more likely that Kabuto somehow summons ET Madara back to his location and that we are going to see ET Madara versus Sauske. Captain Emo is up for a fight, and the Kabuto fight was a total joke.

I have to agree with this to some extent. Naruto is tired but then again one of the factors that makes him extremely dangerous is the stamina he has.
So i'll say with Sagemode and Kurama, he's still good to go

[FocusWithin]

ET Madara has quickly forgotten that he has received "extra" powers from his ET mode. He was never in real life as powerful as he is now. In fact since its very well known to have been a close battle, I would assume Madara is a lot more powerful now even compared to Harashima. Hes frontin

[Silvers Rayleigh]

ET Madara has quickly forgotten that he has received "extra" powers from his ET mode. He was never in real life as powerful as he is now. In fact since its very well known to have been a close battle, I would assume Madara is a lot more powerful now even compared to Harashima. Hes frontin

Well please tell us what exactly are the upgrade he received. he did say that kabuto didn't create 'his power'.
Extra chakra? well danzo had the 1rst cells and he didnt received a boost in chakra from what i remember.
mokuton? defenetely that the only ugrade i see him having over is former self.
Rinneghan? He said he had it before his death so ITS IS POWER AND NO ONE-ELSE.
Perfect sasunoo? its his

So.... really he didnt forget anything the kages are just that weak compare to him

[M3J]

Madara was revived in his prime year, around the time he and Hashirama fought or Konoha was established. He didn't have Rin'negan or Hashirama's cells yet. If I understood right, Kabuto put Hashirama's cells in ET Madara while keeping his "golden years" body, when he was at his best. Basically, Kabuto revived the Madara pre-Hashi cells or Rin'negan and gave ET Madara the cells and possibly Rin'negan. Though I'm not sure if he already had the Rin'negan or the cells gave him Rin'negan.

[Rikudou King]

His comment implies he did eventually awaken the Rinnegan, but dies soon afterward. So he should have already had the potential to possess the Rinnegan as an Edo summon.

[Invader]

Yeah - well - the whole thing is absolute bollocks at this point. Kishi has totally lost track of any semblence of "plot" or "continuity" after all this ET mess. Tobi's whole plan was to use the White Zetsu's to lure out Naruto & Bee and then attack & capture them. But without Kabuto he had no way to do that, and Kabuto showing up was totally random. Without Kabuto Tobi wouldn't have had stronger Zetsus... He wouldn't have had the Jinchurikis as mediums to fight with the tailed beasts... He woudn't have had the Kin/Gin brothers to get Kyubi chakra from... His whole plan seems to have been almost ENTIRELY dependant on Kabuto's cooperation and (to a limited extent) Naruto's and the Ninja Alliance too. So the entire "war" arc is actually nothing but a series of impossible cooincidences where the antagonist's only ability to be any kind of threat hinges on the compliance and unthinking cooperation of his enemies.

So who the heck cares when/how/if Madara got Harashima's cells? Just have Kishi make up some implausible piece of crap explanation, lobotomize youself, and enjoy the ride I guess. :P

[M3J]

His comment implies he did eventually awaken the Rinnegan, but dies soon afterward. So he should have already had the potential to possess the Rinnegan as an Edo summon.

Can be that Hashirama or Senju cells were necessary to unlock Rin'negan, so without that there may have been no potential. Plus, for all we know, Madara did something after he was long past his prime to unlock the Rin'negan.

[Zibi234]

Can be that Hashirama or Senju cells were necessary to unlock Rin'negan, so without that there may have been no potential. Plus, for all we know, Madara did something after he was long past his prime to unlock the Rin'negan.

well madara said that he took hashiramas dna but his wound was too great and he was able to activate rinnegan before his death (and maybe created tobi or zetsu in last sec.... I wouldnt be supprised if tobi was looking like Hashirama (made from zetsu clay) that possesed madaras mind as he is really obsesed with hasirama so he wanted to be like him before death) so mostly he aquired rinnegan becouse of that dna

nagato is another story since he was an uzumaki and not uchiha yet he had rinnegan... so it could be that tobi gave him madaras eyes like he lost eyes as a kid so parents made a deal.... or simply uzumakis are the closest related to rikudou himself (and not his sons) so it was easier to unlock rinnegan as he alrady contains a bit of senju and uchiha dna

anyway time will tell... now we need to wait for spoilers.... but I soo hope that there are no more itachi flashbacks or another free powerup from itachi as it would trash all 2months of chapters.... as there is no logic of giving power ups to a guy that wants to destroy konoha...the village that he gave his life for.... so yeah I hope he will lock sasuke in izanami and make him stop wanting to destroy konoha or he will be stuck in there forever

[Zsych]

I'm pretty sure Nagato had Madara's eyes. It might even have been planned to stick them in an Uzumaki to bring in access to another Sage of the Six Paths bloodline... as part of the long term plan.

... although Nagato ending up Jiraiya's student has to be an interesting coincidence.

[M3J]

well madara said that he took hashiramas dna but his wound was too great and he was able to activate rinnegan before his death (and maybe created tobi or zetsu in last sec.... I wouldnt be supprised if tobi was looking like Hashirama (made from zetsu clay) that possesed madaras mind as he is really obsesed with hasirama so he wanted to be like him before death) so mostly he aquired rinnegan becouse of that dna

nagato is another story since he was an uzumaki and not uchiha yet he had rinnegan... so it could be that tobi gave him madaras eyes like he lost eyes as a kid so parents made a deal.... or simply uzumakis are the closest related to rikudou himself (and not his sons) so it was easier to unlock rinnegan as he alrady contains a bit of senju and uchiha dna

anyway time will tell... now we need to wait for spoilers.... but I soo hope that there are no more itachi flashbacks or another free powerup from itachi as it would trash all 2months of chapters.... as there is no logic of giving power ups to a guy that wants to destroy konoha...the village that he gave his life for.... so yeah I hope he will lock sasuke in izanami and make him stop wanting to destroy konoha or he will be stuck in there forever

We have no idea how long Madara was alive for. He could have survived the battle but be former shell of himself, and after a decade or four he could have activated the Rin'negan and died shortly. The only thing we know is that Madara somehow survived the VotE battle. Madara probably knew Hashirama's cells could unlock Rin'negan somehow, which is probably why he took it.

We don't know how Nagato got his eyes. Maybe he got it the same way Rikudou Sennin did - mutation caused him to be born with it. I highly doubt he could have been given the Rin'negan at such young age, and there appears to be no sign that he got it in a transplant apart from Tobi saying the Rin'negan was his. He was vague though, for all we know he could have meant he enabled Nagato to use Rin'negan or set in stone for him to master the Rin'negan.

Free powerup from Itachi? There's been no free powerup from Itachi apart from EMS, and even that's questionable as Sasuke claims he wouldn't have taken Itachi's eyes if he wasn't nearly blind.

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[bil113]

why my poste was deleted.?....?

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ok thanks,;!

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how can i contact the mod?/

[M3J]

Click on the name of the mod and click on Private Message. In this case, no need as I already opened up the proper threads.

[bil113]

ok, thanks,
i do that, and , when i'm waiting for his reply,
you opened,
thanks for all,