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We all know God-hand's disciple was nearly at Master-level when he got defeated/let himself be defeated by Kenichi.
So my question is: why is Kenichi still at disciple-level, I mean he wouldn't be a Ryouzanpakou master, but still...
And another question: will he EVER become a master? Because if he is, he's gonna have to fight the 1 shadow at some point, wich means we're in for a 1000+ chapter long manga or a major lame-ass time skip!
Btw: I wanna see him train again, it's been such a long time!
Who says kano was anywhere near master class? If anything pretty much the entire manga suggests that he was so far away from it that its not even funny. Kenichi has grown significantly stronger since he fought kano and miu was supposed to be just as strong as he was and even now they have run into people significantly stronger than either of them who are still not anywhere near master class. Remember tanaka? He is at the high end of the expert class and even then he almost killed kenichi and miu admitted neither of them would have a chance against him. For that matter, tanaka being at the high end of the expert class was not as strong as fortuna who was at the lowest end of the master class.
Also, since when is kenichi supposed to fight yami? Kenichi is not supposed to do that, even the most worthless master class fighter would give him such a beating it is not even funny. Kenichi's enemies are the yomi guys, his fellow disciples. If kenichi ever fights the one shadow it won't likely be the current one but whoever takes over for the next generation of martial artists.
I remember a page where The God hand said Kano was beginning to evolve into master class. This was when he was dodging the rubber bullets!
And yes, his opponents are currently the disciples, but imo, they are like the "human world" in Toriko as yomi is the "gourmet world".
In the end he's gonna have to fight some masters, is he not?
And yes, perhaps the next one shadow, but with him being Miu's father now, and he wanting to protect Miu, maybe in a distant future!
Btw: what good disciple doesn't surpass their master(s)?
What was actually said was that kano's body functioned in the same manner as a master class body. Still, the level showed by kano is nowhere even vaguely near to master class and if tanaka hadn't left the tournament he would have pretty much won easily.
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Also, the issue here about kenichi fighting a master is that kenichi himself is so far away from the master class it is barely funny. Pengulu was merely an expert and alone he would have more than easily killed kenichi or miu. Fortuna was at the lowest level of the master class however even from that kenichi is way too far away for kenichi to reach. Tanaka has been doing martial arts for god knows how long and is bordering his 20s and he still hasn't reached even fortunas level...
Kano Sho couldn't have been close to master level for one simple reason that he would need to be expert level before getting to master level.
As for if Kenichi will become a master, judging from the manga development, I have a feeling that he will stay disciple and at the end of manga maybe become expert and then we see him years in the future being a master at Ryozanpakou training his disciple. Just a guess.
Last edited by blackmidnight; June 02, 2012 at 08:01 PM.
You've misunderstood me I didn't say he was an expert I said he ascended to expert levels in terms of martial arts ability. I am well aware that he is still a disciple learning from six masters and that wont change anytime soon, but that does not mean his level of skill and power is on a disciple level.
Last edited by BASED Shinigami; June 02, 2012 at 10:28 PM.
All the above guys lack insight. He can never be with Miu unless he beats the Elder. Enough said. It is a shounen, not rocket science. He will become not only Master but super Master level even stronger than the Elder and his son.
I also said i can see a 10 year time skip happening at the end of the manga so your incorrect saying that i never said ken wontl become a master, i said there wont be a lead up to it and it will only be a mini arc showing whats happened to everyone in the last 10 years. what your saying is the manga is going to continue on until he is such a master which is ridiculous the elder has said that the expert stage is the longest and roughest journey to becoming a master so ken has a long ways to go and it hasn't even been 2 years since he started training and were going on 500 chapters in soon. i like disciple fights more anyway theres more room for growth and experience to be gained. Their ore interesting than master fights thats for sure.
What? Miu has shown him she loves him. She kissed him in chapter 423. But that is not my point, just correcting a mistake you made.
The main guy is going to become super powerful by some deus ex machina. This is always the rule in shounens. A guy with no talent rising to the top through effort and becoming most powerful of all, it is always the same in shounens. They all tell him he has no talent have you not noticed? Explain to me how he managed to beat all these super powerful guys who are also talented and train since kids, with just some weeks/months training in a dojo. Obviously logic fails, thus it is a shounen. But the main point is that he has to overcome the Elder to be with Miu and that does not change. No reason for time skip, just training to reach the expert level, after that is master level and after that is super master. Just a long manga is all. He has fought all the kids (almost all of them) he needs to fight new opponents eventually.
The manga is likely to end once kenichi is done fighting all the kids IMO. There are quite a few left including plot points. The ryuto being with kensei plotpoint, the atlanti and whatnot, kajima, rachel (plotpoint), kushinada (plotpoint), natsu (plotpoint). That being said, it is not and it has never been kenichi's role to defeat yami in the first place. The manga does not actually require kenichi to become a master or even an expert. The manga is about the disciple, its even in the title. Kenichi's role is to do the unimportant and beat the shit out of fellow kids while in the background his masters do the actual important stuff and save the world.
Watch it happen.
I take Elder's statement more in a joking manner. Elder is well aware that he can't prevent Miu from being with whomever she wants, and he wouldn't try to do that as well. It could also be interpreted as that he wants Kenichi to become strong enough to protect Miu.
So... how does it make sense to kenichi to reach the level of super master classes? Its not like kenichi has to become a bit stronger, just reaching tanaka within the mid term would imply kenichi increased his strength tenfold. Of course, there are no radioactive spiders, superhuman serums, magic meteors, radioactive waste or even a magician for kenichi to even double his strength within the short term. More so, the manga is about the disciple, this is extremely important. The second kenichi stops being a disciple (which could even be a decent bit before even vaguely approaches a notion of being master class) the manga is plainly over (unless the author decides to continue it as "History's strongest master kenichi" which would feature a cowardly master shying away from the notion of confrontation only to suddenly beat the shit out of insane masters). Heck, kenichi's role in all of this is so far away from fighting masters that his masters have made a point of protecting him from them and outright telling him to run the hell away from them.
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