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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    ^ Kwon: "0.o ...but I thought you and young miss Sun-Woo who gave you the medallion? ..and anyways Jinnie??? ... RARGHLBIKIKI SHOULD HAVE KILLED YOU AFTER ALL !!! outamysightorelseinstadeath !!!!"

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    Hmm, I thought popped into my mind. If Shioon is taking those miracle pills on a regular basis, it means he actually forces Ki to flow through all major chakras (ki centers). If the flow is maintained then it means that the body handles circulation, which furtherly implies that so-called shattered ki-center is fixable. Come to think of it. Shioon is a walking spirit medicine, how come it's impossible for him to self-cure? IMHO the longer he uses pills, the more that shattered ki centered is exposed to the influence of pure, Shioon's healing ki.....and that's why I think Shioon will have his ki-center restored on his own.
    Right now, he might be able to sustain a semi-BOT like state, cause his anger will work just exactly like a pill. It will give him a boost.

    I still remember a chapter when the old lady teaching Shioon meditative state was amazed and said that Shioon would be a monster if his ki center was working properly. Everything up until now revolves around Shioon's condition, so I believe it's time to see possible capabilities of TEH TRUE 9AD'S DISCIPLE
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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    ^ I was thinking a simmilar way to keep his meridians/Ki channels in use and to thus also repeatedly kick in his Ki center for a brief time would be the Elders doing what Sera's grandmother did: transfer their Ki into his body, and do so for a couple of weeks once a day or so, takeing turns to shift the load.(btw would be very interesting to know just how many days high level masters like the Sun-Woo Elders or Sera's grandma who have fully excerted/used up their Ki would need to "refill" their reserves...)

    I might be wrong about this but it seems to me the Ki-center is kind of conceptualized as the battery/dynamo/Ki-generator thingy. Due to Shioon's special condition, his whole body, cells, vessels, blood and everything are infused with Ki, especially now after the Doc "purified it" prior to extracting the blood, thus he can heal abnormally fast physically - however, it seems Ki must be 'in flow' from the Ki center outward through the meridians in order for a murinim to function properly during a fight.

    Temporary Ki-boosts, be it from the pills or from the full-power Ki-transfusion of a high-level master seem to give him the ability to use his Ki normally for a limited amount of time. I am thinking maybe we could look at the Ki-center as a "container" or "vessel" - one that in his case has a honkin big hole in it through which the Ki "leaks out" or "dissipates" before he can channel it out into the meridians, makeing it unusable... it also seems as if his recuperative powers cannot be used on the Ki-center itself as it is devoyed of Ki in it's damaged state...
    Maybe the pills and the high level transfer "force more Ki into the container than can leak out through the hole" - if that were so, one might speculate that during those times that the container is temporarily re-filled some slow-going process of healing the damage done to the Ki-center itself might be at work - that would btw nicely explain how it can be possible that Shioon definetely has improved his level during New Waves - every time he uses some "booster" and performs proper martial arts and thus proper circulation, the hole in the container gets a little bit smaller...

    This would also be a nice way to go with regard to future power levelling: I am all for him going more badass asap as atm he is pityful - however if his Ki-center were to be restored completely just now he'd have a simply enormous powerup coming in, in all likelyhood having mastered Smashing Fist and Feet Tech on a much higher level than he had back at the end of Breaker 1 with his Ki center intact PLUS possibly gaining Seismic Step and the lowest level of Black H&E threshold as an added bonus. That would put him up pretty high, maybe higher even than I would like to see him just now.

    As I see it the story design currently offers two opptions for him to remain somewhat "limited" in his development, aka not get an overly ridicolous powerup:
    a) the drawbacks of a failed Black H&E tech might make him much more careful in executing high level stuff, so he would limit himself or it might turn out he cannot yet truly perform threshold level1 properly after all
    b) his Ki center gets "repaired" - but in a delayed kind of fashion: What doc did and him probabaly being about to use the threshold once with whatever success will speed up the Ki center repair, maybe the Ilwolmoon head even adds to that with his own medical arts - but it still might be that he can only use his Ki "so much" or "tires out" after a time - think of it as analog to certain physical injuries, you might be able to walk again on a complicately broken/shattered leg two months after operation - but it will take you 4 months till you stop limping and maybe a year till you can run the good ol' marathon again ....

    edit: this would maybe also depend a bit on with whom he will be matched up for the final fight of New Waves, assuming their will be a part three I am thinking the confrontation with his master is for laters - so for this arc one might except him to go up against either one of the Chundomoon badasses - for that I guess he would need to master the threshold level1 in order to prevail? I cannot quite gauge the difference between the two of them but I think the older asshole is weaker than the younger guy Shioon already fought once in vol4? Not sure though, it was foreshadowed back then that they would fight again - but somehow I don't see the younger one as a bad guy, I think he needs Shioon's version of naruto-talk-no-jutsu and in the end will join Shioon's side - especially since the older Chundomoon head seems to be the one who is mainly behind SUC (together with the older mustache master Elder Kwon fought) - So I'm thinking Shioon's real opponent for New Waves might just be that guy ?
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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    ^^ I think the younger, hyuk so chun considered shioon shioon as a true rival from the moment shioon displayed his fighting spirit. That, and the fact that shioon's growth was impossibly fast even by murim standards and made it so that hyuk was greatly curious about shioon's true potential as a martial artist and began to admire him. There is no doubt that hyuk would be very pleased to find out shioon can practice martial arts. I'm very sure that he would like a rematch with shioon because despite his superiority over shioon, shioon's spirit greatly intimidated him and he feels he has to prove something to shioon.
    However, you might be on to something with smug face. The author has introduced so jang (smug face) into the story as someone on hyuk's level and put him in direct conflict with shioon. So maybe instead of hyuk, so jang will become the guinea pig to demonstrate 'sungsenim's martial arts' (as shioon likes to put it). Like i said before, BOT is the ultimate of techniques so it can be assumed that it was one of the last videos on shioon's cell. Hopefully, shioon actually completed the video training.
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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by haegar View Post
    ^ I was thinking a simmilar way to keep his meridians/Ki channels in use and to thus also repeatedly kick in his Ki center for a brief time would be the Elders doing what Sera's grandmother did: transfer their Ki into his body, and do so for a couple of weeks once a day or so, takeing turns to shift the load.(btw would be very interesting to know just how many days high level masters like the Sun-Woo Elders or Sera's grandma who have fully excerted/used up their Ki would need to "refill" their reserves...)

    I might be wrong about this but it seems to me the Ki-center is kind of conceptualized as the battery/dynamo/Ki-generator thingy. Due to Shioon's special condition, his whole body, cells, vessels, blood and everything are infused with Ki, especially now after the Doc "purified it" prior to extracting the blood, thus he can heal abnormally fast physically - however, it seems Ki must be 'in flow' from the Ki center outward through the meridians in order for a murinim to function properly during a fight.

    Temporary Ki-boosts, be it from the pills or from the full-power Ki-transfusion of a high-level master seem to give him the ability to use his Ki normally for a limited amount of time. I am thinking maybe we could look at the Ki-center as a "container" or "vessel" - one that in his case has a honkin big hole in it through which the Ki "leaks out" or "dissipates" before he can channel it out into the meridians, makeing it unusable... it also seems as if his recuperative powers cannot be used on the Ki-center itself as it is devoyed of Ki in it's damaged state...
    Maybe the pills and the high level transfer "force more Ki into the container than can leak out through the hole" - if that were so, one might speculate that during those times that the container is temporarily re-filled some slow-going process of healing the damage done to the Ki-center itself might be at work - that would btw nicely explain how it can be possible that Shioon definetely has improved his level during New Waves - every time he uses some "booster" and performs proper martial arts and thus proper circulation, the hole in the container gets a little bit smaller...

    This would also be a nice way to go with regard to future power levelling: I am all for him going more badass asap as atm he is pityful - however if his Ki-center were to be restored completely just now he'd have a simply enormous powerup coming in, in all likelyhood having mastered Smashing Fist and Feet Tech on a much higher level than he had back at the end of Breaker 1 with his Ki center intact PLUS possibly gaining Seismic Step and the lowest level of Black H&E threshold as an added bonus. That would put him up pretty high, maybe higher even than I would like to see him just now.

    As I see it the story design currently offers two opptions for him to remain somewhat "limited" in his development, aka not get an overly ridicolous powerup:
    a) the drawbacks of a failed Black H&E tech might make him much more careful in executing high level stuff, so he would limit himself or it might turn out he cannot yet truly perform threshold level1 properly after all
    b) his Ki center gets "repaired" - but in a delayed kind of fashion: What doc did and him probabaly being about to use the threshold once with whatever success will speed up the Ki center repair, maybe the Ilwolmoon head even adds to that with his own medical arts - but it still might be that he can only use his Ki "so much" or "tires out" after a time - think of it as analog to certain physical injuries, you might be able to walk again on a complicately broken/shattered leg two months after operation - but it will take you 4 months till you stop limping and maybe a year till you can run the good ol' marathon again ....

    edit: this would maybe also depend a bit on with whom he will be matched up for the final fight of New Waves, assuming their will be a part three I am thinking the confrontation with his master is for laters - so for this arc one might except him to go up against either one of the Chundomoon badasses - for that I guess he would need to master the threshold level1 in order to prevail? I cannot quite gauge the difference between the two of them but I think the older asshole is weaker than the younger guy Shioon already fought once in vol4? Not sure though, it was foreshadowed back then that they would fight again - but somehow I don't see the younger one as a bad guy, I think he needs Shioon's version of naruto-talk-no-jutsu and in the end will join Shioon's side - especially since the older Chundomoon head seems to be the one who is mainly behind SUC (together with the older mustache master Elder Kwon fought) - So I'm thinking Shioon's real opponent for New Waves might just be that guy ?
    i disagree on the part where you said shinwoo having the lowest bot where the bot takes away your thought but is powerful im sorry but your making shiwoo weaker than he is let just wait for the chapter and see how it turn out and i apolgize if i was rude it your theory not mine you have the right to say what you like

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    ^ thank you for appologizing but I wasn't offended, I was speculating, you are speculating, possibly we are discussing if we speculate differently, where is the problem?

    I'm not sure if I make him weaker than he is as for the time being we do not know yet how strong he might get with the curretn development. BTW not sure next chapter will be enough to resolve that question completely. As for the BOT hype, I am baseing my notion of "lowest level" of the technique on the unknown weird guy from end of breaker1 who when watching 9AD let loose commented something like "this is BOT threshold, the FIRST level of Black Heaven and Earth" - thus assuming there are higher levels and also assuming that despite his seemingly genius like ability to pick up high level techs, Shioon will not start out into the Realm of Black Heaven and Earth from the top of that technique but rather the bottom - which both common sense and shounen law of powerleveling would dictate.

    Though, come to think of it there is possibly something to be said for deviating from the plot norm in suddenly haxing up the protagonist - as that would likely come with heavy repercusions as he yet lacks the character/ emotional balance to wield such power without ultimately harming himself or others dear to him... Then again that would make him go down a path very similar to 9AD and that I don't like all too much ...

    edit: @ blaise: I totally agree the fight with Hyuk so Chun (thx for the name, I should at least remember him ) will have to come at some point, it was foresdhadowed so strongly one might call it inevitable - I wonder though if it truly will be under the pretext of this current confrontation of Sunwoo and Chundomoon we seem to be headed for - we might be getting red herringed with the foreshadowing from Breaker 1.
    Come to think of it I would like that - no matter how you turn it Hyuk So Chun is impressive - if he keeps on developing his skills at a similar pace to Shioon he might be the only one of the younger gen other than Shioon capable of getting close to 9AD's level ... I'd like him to make the right decission once the plotting of his elder bro and master are revealed - he might i.e. stand down from the fight similar to Sera refusing to kill Shioon - if such were to happen the two of them maybe could have their encounter under a more friendly pretext, in the next tournament maybe, that would be swell ...
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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    I don't think that shioon will go crazy from using the Bot. 9ad said in the last chapter that you go crazy because it causes your ki to reverse. I am thinking that because his ki simply isn't moving at all that means that Shioon will be able to truly perfect the Bot. I wonder if 9ad knew this and that is the reason he broke shioon's ki center.

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by revanrevenger View Post
    I don't think that shioon will go crazy from using the Bot. 9ad said in the last chapter that you go crazy because it causes your ki to reverse. I am thinking that because his ki simply isn't moving at all that means that Shioon will be able to truly perfect the Bot. I wonder if 9ad knew this and that is the reason he broke shioon's ki center.
    i don't think 9art broke his ki center because he knew he just wanted shinwoo out of the murim
    and the BH&T is an unsolve technique

    @ haegar your right on BOT being resolved in time and i think 3 chapter will explan what step it take to start the BOT it time for shinwoo to kick ass once more

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    Re: The Breaker : New Waves 75 Discussion / 76 Predictions

    Guess the delay allows me to make some prediction here. I think the doctor is going to be fortunate enough to realize that he miscalculated and severely underestimated Shioon's level of threat. He will then call in the SUC, creating a situation which seems to be a perfect showcase for the BOT. Just as his BH&E forefathers had done before him, Shioon will show how insignificant numbers are against BOT.

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