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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
this may help...your"physical energy"summon/beast...thanks to
their quotes on this matter:
gedo mazu may be what you are looking for...Quote:
who is tobi.
madara create zetzu and make him to make a clone of madara. with the same chackra and jutsu. and experience.
thats why when naruto ask him, who he was, he say, im no one.
wow madara is going to go..but hey remember when he did the meteor. in the whole war he was the one who kill the most ninja.....but can you guys tell me who those ninja was...also 1 of those ninja choice to save a naruto clone instead of a real ninja. wow soo bad. even naruto tell him. why did you save me. im just a clone.
maybe he was like. F, those fodder ninja, you are the main character here.
everyone keeps saying tobi is a creation...then why is it that him and madara on different pages/paths.Quote:
i think there is a man behind the mask...and not just some clone that's been living for 15yrs plus...ridiculous.
that"no one"speach was the same as kabuto's...only different circumstances...this guy has something to do with nagato and konoha invading the whirlpool.i just have this feeling...with danzou being behind the uchiha massacre,i can see him being involved if not directly...in the uzumaki/whirlpool extermination.
tobi may be a child through madara and an uzumaki...once again...who tended to madara after VoTE and why did he live so long afterwards...uzumakish...
To be fair, we don't know that Tobi is working a different path then Madara would have wanted. Madara figured that starting a world war was something Tobi would do, though he wasn't exactly sure what and assumed that things weren't going according to plan. We do know that the plan wasn't going right, with Nagato using his ability on Konoha and Sasuke not getting the Hachibi. The basic Moon Eye plan could still be Madara's original plan.
Fodder nin: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/560/5
granted fodder nins are kinda less explanatory since they had to joined up because of that HUGE katon ... but the thing is that they were able to produce it without the water, which is what was amazing for that ANBU guy (in Shodai, Nidaime and Sandaime fight) in the first place (He said to be able to cast such a high level sution in place with no water - high level meaning B level jutsu) ... and now everyone can do it ...
Talking in general to all:
Just accept it people, Kishi at that time was just different, his jutsu weren't that grandiose, many characters hadn't abilities they have now (Hashirama, Tobirama), hell not even all the characters even existet at that time (Oonoki) for Kishi to be able to say that Hiruzen at 70 was stronger than Oonoki at 75 (my guess)
Thus saying that Hiruzen is stronger now based on what we've seen from him is stronger than any current kage is simply false.
Kishi is evolving, his whole manga is the proof of his many contradictions, and evolution
however the most sensible thing to do would be stick with will of fire angle and non-blood-related model of senju clan. as i said before senjus are not necessarily a blood-relation based clan like uchihas. anyone can be a senju(konoha nowadays) as long as he has the will of fire. so is it really necessary to make naruto 'senju naruto' by name/by descendance to actually be the inheritor of will of fire and the true successor of younger son of rikudo? i don't think so.
so basically my point is its not any genetical characteristic that made senjus senju(the inheritors of younger son) as you suggested...rather its the will of fire? and naruto possessing the will of fire as strong as hashirama(or may be even more) is what makes him closest thing younger son of 6 paths (plus his uzumaki linage and kyuubi yang chakra)
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then the known senjus would be...Senju Hashirama and Senju Tobirama.
even tsunade is not a pure senju...which probably why she was never called as Senju Tsunade.
however we've come to know of a defining element of senju(aside from their name) which is will of fire. take a look at this link:"today senju's will of fire will die." and at the present day, its konoha who holds this same element...will of fire. So its not necessary to be a 'genetical senju' or 'senju by bloodline'. in fact senju clan of forest were a clan which composed of ppl without blood relation. which is why to be the successor of younger son of rikudo, its not necessary that naruto must be a senju by blood line...having the will of fire is enough.
In fact, if you add the link that i've given with the page you are talking about...its clear that Tobi is not saying Naruto is senju in the sense that he has genetic traits,or descendance from senju clan(as with senju tobiram and hashirama)...rather because he has "senju's will of fire"...something which has been passed on to the all ppl of konoha,regardless of their descendance.Quote:
So yeah, probably...naruto is not a senju (by descendance), or else we'll have to say everyone of village konoha is a senju since they have inherited will of fire. However naruto's will of fire, his inheritance is strong in him that it makes him closest to younger son, which is why finishing him is tantamount to finishing off senju's will of fire...and he's a worthy successor of senju/uchiha feud.
so my overall perspective would be...senjus had 2 kind of successors: 1. successors by descendance...who bore the family name of Senju(senju hashirama and senju tobirama)...the Senjus 2. successors by inheritance...all those who inherited will of fire, presently modern day konoha. Group 1 ppl are the Senjus, while the group 2 ppl despite being not Senjus, are the successors of Senjus...which is why younger son vs elder son rivalry evolved through senju vs uchiha to ultimately konoha vs uchiha. Which explains why Naruto is compared with Senju Hashirama, is said to have Will of Fire as strong as a pure genetical Senju(since Will of Fire is not limited by descendance) and is the worthy opponent of Uchiha sasuke, the successor of elder brother as the successor of younger brother.
Last edited by ashher; June 27, 2012 at 02:03 AM.
So Madara avoids the Endo Tensei release simply by undoing it himself. Geeze, how the heck did he know how to do that, even Tobi didn't know much about Endo Tensei. So Madara pretty much knows everything there is to know, wth, on top of that he confirmed an Endo Tensei resurrected comes with unlimited chakra and regeneration, so he can probably use Inzangi and Inzagmi unlimited times, and summon another 25 Susanoo clones with no ill effect. That's just crazy, at this point, he could only be defeated with the 4th Hokage's jutsu or if Madara gets emotional and causes himself to be undone which I seriously doubt. This guy is too much.
madara is staying?? so bad.........
but i have a strong feeling that the sage of six path sons are the founder of uchiha and uzumaki clan.... because madara gain his rinnegan before his death and nagato who tobi said that he come from uzumaki clan........and just a guess... maybe the first hokage became that strong because of his wife lady mito.. i remembered kabuto that uzumaki clan has something about long life.. dont you think??