One Piece 671 Discussion

[Ratatosk]

This is Jump, and Haki gets stronger by experiences/ambition not potential; if you are weak and pathetic but don't act like it you can reverse your fate. (Coby, weakest guy ever, meets someone who inspires him for the 1st time and stops acting like a coward at the start of the story, and Luffy, strong fearless idiot, finally leaves home & ventures into the unknown at the start of the story - both develop Haki within a few weeks of each other. Zoro, whose ambition was just as strong but didn't have the devil-fruit to rely on so spent every fight bleeding all over the page, developed Haki before either of them.) Ok so according to this theory Usopp should be way ahead of anyone, but I still like it.

Law is interesting and plotting big things but is only 2 yrs off 'rookie' status, and this is half way through a manga which gets part of its genius by completely crushing its characters with no warning. I'm sure there's guys in the New World who could make him shit himself from 10 miles away if they wanted to. I haven't read the whole thread but the first thing that came to mind with both Law and Luffy keeling over within a few pages is 'oh shit those lame theories that Law donated some organ or other to Luffy were right all along..' Also of course a Logia poison-dude is going to be more powerful than Magellan, but then supposedly this guy is a really shite scientist so Chopper should be able to sort things out.

Likelihood of finding out some details on what Law's deal is in 2 weeks

[MonkeyLuffy]

CC's gus is stronger than Magellan.Simple!!That's why he said "don't compare me with Magellan"and he investigate his gus all these years....Luffy is just fool and breathe all this gus and fainted.Maybe Franky and Robin will go to the laboratory and find the antidote...

[Schabrak]

CC's gas can be poisonous or not[like K.O. gas, drugs etc], while everything Magellan produces is some kind of poison. Magellan's "Venom Demon: Hell's Judgment" could be similarly strong as the slime's poison, but I doubt CC can produce something of the same effect. The only way I see Caesar holding back was to capture Franky again.

Caesar is to proud of his logia power to admit that someone with a paramecia ability could be as strong as him in this department IMO.

[Daniel]

Between CC's Gas Gas and Magellan Doku Doku, I would say Gas Gas only has the advantage of being Logia, in terms of raw power, both are deadly. Both can produce deadly or less deadly Gas (which can be poisonous) or Poison (which can be gas).

To fight both one needs Haki, in CC's case to coat oneself against the gas and be able to hit him. In Magellan's again to coat oneself so that one can hit him and not get poisoned for it.

Still the Gas Gas fruit might have a down-side in relation to Doku Doku, in that being Gas for it to be effective maybe the target needs to breath it in, touching it might be not enough, while with the Doku Doku you can't even touch it. But this might not be the case.

Now why Luffy was affected, well there are probably millions of different poisons, and while he has high immunity against many, most lkely CC can produce some to which Luffy is not. Not to mention that CC being a scientist, and one specialized in gas, he probably has more control over his devil fruit in terms of potency and variety of gases produced. While Magellan was a power house phisically, but maybe didn't have such level of expertise regarding poison.

[Zoronoa Roro]

As for identity of the guy I highly doubt that oda would use joker as he knows that he would be our first assumption... he is proly some doctor guy who works with cc and is mentor of some sorts to law which could explain lab coat... he proly has some weird doctor power which is at least for me far more plausible than haki

[mattiaildivino]

Seems weird that CoC could affect a high-mid-tier character like Law that easily. We've only seen CoC make people go unconscious, spitting blood would be a new technique and doesn't fit Rayleighs description of it: "The ability to overpower the opponent's will." But maybe that's the way he was able to deactivate the bomb-cuffs at the auction house.

I found odd that,despite being ill,law didn't care about monet's questions and went on asking who was over there. but I think he did so because he knew that it was something caused by someone near him.

[k-dom]

Well Monet was obviously sarcastic and knew about the guy comming.

[MrCristian]

My 10 cents are that Law tried to make an alliance with someone he shouldn't have to and got betrayed. Seeing the facts that his crew is missing, they could've gotten kidnapped or Law lost a fight to someone and as a sign of submission he gave away his Heart to that person/crew to let Law's crew go or not harm them, under the conditions that Law worked under him/her/them. That could be the reason why Law joined the Shichibukai in the first place, it could've been an order from "above". Also my leftover cents are that Law just cured Luffy, and them going down "at the same time" it's just how it turned out when Oda drawed the chapter, not because they were linked together somehow.
Let's remember the chapter where Law told Luffy that they both have something they want to get back. Law could be reffering to his heart. Then someone from the SH crew asks Law if he's that strong why doesn't he just take out CC by himself, and he said that he can't, maybe he was ordered to mess up with CC's work, or just assist him/guard him.
This is the main reason why I like Oda's work, he always let's alot of possibilities and turn-out's that the reader must think of or imagine... And that's the main reason why the manga is so popular and people who started reading it can't stop (yes, I'm one of them). At first when I've heard of One piece I've watched a random anime episode (where Sanji was fighting the weird cook with the pasta) and didn't like it at all. After a while I've read a chapter where whitebearb was fighting the Marine HQ and I loved the action there, therefore I've started watching the anime series from the beggining and I started liking it. After I've got to the day with the anime I couldn't wait anymore and started with the manga, and now I'm waiting for every week's release just like it's my drug dose (exagerating a little bit, but near to the truth ). This is why One Piece was so successful and will stay like this for another 10 or maybe 20 years (if Oda still wants to twist the things more).
I've been reading the forum for 2 months now and after I saw so many wrong theories I finally decided to post mine, which hopelly it's the right one because it makes more sense.

[BlackHair]

CC's gus is stronger than Magellan.Simple!!That's why he said "don't compare me with Magellan"and he investigate his gus all these years...

That's just CCs arrogance speaking. I can't imagine of CC being deadlier then Magellan. The latter is poison specialist, while CC is a gas specialist. Means he can produce various kind of gas, among them also poison gas. However the toxicity can't be compared to Magellans poison.


Anyway as to Law, I think he wants to defeat a Yonko for a specific reason. But that has nothing to do with Joker and the WG conspiracy. I think Oda wanted to confuse us reader with mentioning the Yonko just chapter after he mentioned Joker. Basically this arc is about two things:

1. Making preparations to face the Yonko (Big Mom?)
2. Introducing the WG conspiracy (Joker, guy with Flamingo)

[..] Also i don't know about Joker being VP, just because CC and VP don't seem to have had a good relationship at all. [..]

That's why I believe Mone is more directly working for Joker than CC. She is in a way his eyes on PH. I further believe CC never met Joker in person, only via phone (voice changer). VP knows about CCs hunger for scientific fame, he might be using that for his favour. .. -> Im just randomly puling everything out of my ass. I have no canon or whatsoever to support any of this. Just some theories I have, after seeing Mones sadistic facial expression in this chapter.

[mattiaildivino]

Well Monet was obviously sarcastic and knew about the guy comming.

I think she was really caring about law's conditions, and then whe she saw that guy appearing she smiled and laughed. if that guy is really joker,neither law nor CC expected him to appear at PH,and probably not monet either,unless she is the one who knows joker best and the closest to him,maybe the one who is taking the advantage of both of them,although I doubt that. then,talking about the former hypothesis,I still think she didn't expect joker either,and then laughed when she saw him instead of getting scared. a stoic behaviour,as law's one

[k-dom]

You are a bit naive :-) Monet is a mean girl

[Curtarc]

This is why I love One Piece, every chapter manages to surprise me somehow and there's always at least one "oh my god!" moment every week.

[kkck]

Anyone else thinks it is aokiji who just met with law?

[ukimix]

Honnestly the use of such a cliffhanger has few interest for the introduction of a new character. Did Oda ever use the shadow figure on unintroduced guys ? I don't have any in mind yet

What about Ceaser Clown? He was first drawn here, and only 6 chapters later he was formally introduced to us here. And it happens on current arc, so maybe it is a style writing feature in use.

[k-dom]

No doesn't count either :-) his identity as Master was established from the start.