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Even in such a situation as "Sasuke trained to keep up with Lee", Sasuke did so because he put forth similar effort. He didn't instantly gain it merely because he had the Sharingan, but because he physically trained to accomplish it. And even after he had trained for it, he still couldn't use it like Lee could. No training = no speed. It's not like he magically gained an upgrade and was then capable of moving at godly speed straight away.
though he didn't have the stamina to keep it up for long, he did display enough to be shown to be close to lee
naruto could only emulate the rendan by having a kage bunshin kickfest, he was totally unable to keep up with that speed, and naruto's the hard worker with quick recovery
most people would just go on blindly about how to raise their physical stats, and would be unsure about how to push themselves further faster
a sharingan user would just copy the end result (the skill being used by a physically able person), then replicate his moevments again and again.
normal people would have no goals and struggle to match their bodily stats, and at the same time try to coordinate all their actions, but a sharingan user would have an exact result to train to, just by playing back the recorded move at the recorded speed again and again, and they'd know exactly when they match it. they'd be training at a higher efficiency than others would
Um, a regular person would still e capable of doing the same thing. It doesn't take a Sharingan to mimic anther person over and over again. That's pretty much how Lee trained, by doing what Gai did. Also, we've never seen or been told a Sharingan user can "playback" what they've seen.
have you ever trained in any sort of martial art?
the higher level moves are never taught outright. people have to go through the whole training process of foundation/basic moves for years before they're slowly introduced to higher and higher levels of moves
that's because training a person outright in one move would be near impossible without the foundations conditionig the bodily strength/stamina in incremental steps. if you taught a taekwondo whitebelt outright how to do a roundhouse+back thrust combo, he'd screw it up because he doesn't have the stats and experience to carry out the move. you'll end up with a person executing the move wrongly and getting that into his habits.
this is why people take incremental steps in learning martial arts, the very same steps i assume rock lee went through and naruto has to go through to achieve the same level in taijutsu.
sasuke had the sharingan copy+playback the moves specifically. even if his body couldnt' take the moves outright, his form is a direct replica of the (assuming) expert he copied it from, and he can just keep practising that move outright without the incremental conditioning steps.
anyone familiar with martial arts would immediately view sasuke's copying of lee's taijutsu as an immediate skip to black belt moves, with perfect form. there is no hesitation in viewing it as an asspull. you know the amount of training people take to reach blackbelt? the number of basic kicks you repeat over and over? like the tree stump lee kicked a hole into, the repeated punches that gave his knuckles scars?
of course sasuke worked hard. no one said it was an absolute asspull. the EMS is the only absolute asspull around giving instant hax at low cost.
but for every bit of sweat put in by sasuke vs by lee, sasuke will always gain far more than lee does. and that's the asspull.
also, regarding your questionig of the sharingan being unable to copy+playback, i raise sasuke's copying of chuunin exam answers all over again. that, coupled with his copying of lee's moves and what i said above, pretty much shows this.
of course a normal person could copy a move outright from what he SEES. you used the example of lee copying Gai's moves.
in the case of lee, it's because lee has the foundation of being a taijutsu master to begin with. his 'copy' of gai's moves is his own interpretation with his own experience of what he thinks Gai is doing. this is like a black belt copying another black belt's moves. it took lee YEARS to perfect his rendan, however.
in the case of sasuke copying lee's high level move, it took him only a month. and kakashi never raised any issue about sasuke having to perfect it. all he did was play back the moves again and again.
http://www.mangareader.net/93-46-16/...hapter-41.html "look at his movements and COPY them"
http://www.mangareader.net/93-117-4/...apter-112.html "he's about the same speed as lee without his weights"
http://www.mangareader.net/93-117-6/...apter-112.html "how many years it took for me to gain that speed"
http://www.mangareader.net/93-117-7/...apter-112.html "sasuke had COPIED lee's taijutsu with his sharingan"
Oh yeah, even after gaining their MS, the Senju had 1 mythically talented Senju shinobi to counter it. MS user needs at least 1 kage level Senju to counter them and that's against a 16 year old kid. Makes perfect sense. Again, you can't transmit talent to the next generation as the Uchiha did the Sharingan.
If you hadn't forgotten what I said in previous reply, I clearly said internal and external sources. External being recruiting individuals from other clan fighting with them. An individual doesn't make a clan, collective set of people does thus makes sense that they fought under Senju. 99 Senju and recruiting 1 non-Senju still makes them Senju. That's what it means to gather prodigies.
Judging from what you're saying, every single Senju would be capable of this feat since they would also inherit the Bloodline Limit and not Hashirama alone and even if they didn't, how could only 1 boast the Mokuton. You're making it seem more op than what it actually is despite calling it equal.
You do realize that they required prodigies just to counter the Sharingan, I.e. Out of 100 Senju, 10 were prodigies and need god's blessing to have a prodigy even among those as oppose to the MS trigger which is heighten emotion. You can't transmit talent unlike the Uchiha their "chances" through bloodline especially when they know how they could awaken it.
And you do realize that it was Senju Hashirama as the first Shodaime Hokage that was the first to come up with it? Yes, of course it doesn't with the rest non-Konoha shinobi but you seem to miss Tsunade bring it up with her fight against Madara. It defines Konoha shinobi in which Senju is a part of. Were those clans you mention were as famed or as strong (inheritance, prodigy wise) as the Senju?
Those potential are passed down regardless where talent couldn't, in addition, they knew how to awaken that potential.
For much, much less.
ANBU under direct command of the Hokage and the only shinobi with Shodaime's genes. That said, even among the ANBU he was sure to stand out. Plus you seem to forget Hiruzen was under both Hashirama and Tobirama's direct tutelage and Yamato being under him directly. Wasn't he called the God of Shinobi or Shinobi Professor or some such also? And you're attempting to justify Madara to Yamato whom doesn't even have the Sharingan. Use or train or practice or innate. What's next?
And I don't understand the part why you think that he didn't. Need never came into it when the Sharingan is involved. Sharingan gazes onto something, it pops up everything, discernable or otherwise. ... but should one find themselves in some kind of dire situation, the Uchiha blood will demonstrate its accumulated experience, and never will those who have inherited it know any limits (tn: i.e even if you can't use the jutsu you've copied, the info will still prove most useful provided you can rub two brain cells together)!! Tell me which part don't you understand?
So how did Madara and Izuna gained their MS or Shisui for that matter or better yet, Kakashi? And where did I assume it was "common"? I said they had potential to awaken it and they knew how since Madara and Izuna whereas it's absolutely different from talent. That's the thing. Hashirama had Mokuton that was exclusively his whereas the MS has the potential of being awaken by other Sharingan user and they knew how after Madara and Izuna.
Databook 3, pg.92-93: Retelling Konoha's Foundation and Ch.398,pg17,p1 isn't proof enough?
Again, what the hell are you talking about? You seriously need to read everything that was written by me in response to King. Shows how much you've read and understood what I was saying in response to what King was implying before taking it up. LOL ... The whole point was about Rikudou's "body" inheritance, stamina and chakra and not comparing skill set nor combat capability.
Are we on the same page here? Madara and Izuna, first to awaken MS and it was only a matter of time before the others would follow suit. And if Senju didn't propose truce, then they will undoubtly be facing more than just 2 MS users. Shisui, Itachi, Sasuke, Tobi and Kakashi is in a single lifetime.
Did you miss the part where they were sick of fighting?
3 people or more? And I thought there were 2. Past Sharingan, everything about the Uchiha is haxxed. What is past Sharingan for an Uchiha? MS. Don't take parts of my words just so you could make wild claims. I don't know how many times I've written it, either it escaped you completely or you're just deliberately doing it just to spite.
Text: Dreaded as "the thousand-handed clan", they gathered prodigies in all kinds of ninjutsu, taijutsu, and genjutsu techniques." and your own words - At least they're probably still alive, unlike Uchiha. Plus, Uchiha and Hyuuga are more known as individual clans while Senju most likely assimilated with other clans. So, then when you assimilate a Senju into Akimichi they become Akimichi and when it happens otherwise it isn't? Priceless.
LOL... I think I don't care to elaborate.
Do you know why Madara lost? Because Hashirama was the strongest of Senju prodigies, had the Mokuton kekkei genkai, bijuu manipulating skills and healing capability which I should remind you, was exclusively his. And you're comparing a 16 year old kid whom barely have experience in both his own MS and combat against shinobi whom had proven themselves in the previous 3rd Shinobi World War. And you seem to completely forget, Kabuto was augmented with Snake Senjutsu, 3 attributes from 3 different clans, Orochimaru's genes and they had to hold back so that the Edo Tense could be undone.
Highest level moves? What are you talking about? Sasuke didn't copy like Lee's strongest attack or ace in the hole. All he copied was the upper kick of the Frontal Locus, which is a basic attack. There's nothing high level or complex about it. Even Naruto was able to copy it after seeing it once. One kick isn't an asspull. It's not as if Sasuke had copied the Reverse Lotus or Eight Gates. It was a simple kick, something one didn't need the Sharingan to mimic as shown by Naruto. And what more did Sasuke gain? His training for a month may have given him similar speed, but only for a shorter amount of time. There was no "far more" gained.
We were told so when we were told about their past. Having stamina doesn't mean gifted with stamina. Just look at the difference between Kakashi and Naruto. No, I'm not basing everything merely on Hashirama. It's clear the Senju were fully capable of holding their own against the Uchiha, else there would be no rivalry between them. Being a Senju is about blood. Other clans fighting under them doesn't make those clans Senju. Look at the Sarutobi clan, they had the Yamanaka, Nara, and Akimichi clans under their command for generations, but that doesn't make the three apart of the Sarutobi clan. And no, awakening the Sharingan was no that simple, otherwise it wouldn't be called rare and only possessed by the elites of the clan.
They were above even the elites of the Uchiha clan. Why do you think they have been praised so much, if any Uchiha was capable of doing as they do? Heck, even amoung them, there's a huge difference of power. Just look at Sasuke vs Itachi. And once again, only a handful could gain the Sharingan, as it's rare. There was nothing being passed down except the odds of possibility gaining it.
[Manga 389] Quoting: The left mangekyo posseses the most powerful genjutsu. The right eye holds the most powerful physical attack.
Plus now that I mention Danzo. What was his secret technique and last weapon? Izanagi. Why he didn't chose a mokuton technique to be his mastercard? Easy: because Sharingan >>> Mokuton. The same with Madara, despite having Hashirama's habilities, when he grew tired of the fight, he used Susano'o (which, according to himself [Manga 589] "My Susano'o is destruction itself. As powerful as the tailed beasts".) because Sharingan >>> Mokuton.
One last thing. I don't know where have u seen that Uchiha usually don't achieve the Sharingan. I think I also heard it somewhere so it's ok. But, according to last mangas... It seems to me that lots of Uchiha had MS back then, "everyone around using Izanagi" is what Itachi made me understand lol. So it seems a lot of powerful Uchiha, so much Izanagi usage, that they even created a punishment technique (Izanami).
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This is what ive been saying the whole time. you cant argue with that guy he thinks he wrote the mangaQuote:
sauske fought significantly older people who had many years of experience on him, for you to say that he has the same experience as oro or killer b is bs they have years of battle experience on him. sasuke is what like 16? killer be and deidara have years on him and many more battles so of course hes gonna have a hard time but the fact is he WON those fights because of his sharigan. if he didnt see the bombs underground he wouldve died and if he didnt have amaterasu against bee he wouldve died so yeah sharingan is pretty op if your beating people significantly older and better than you with one cheap handicap
this however is garbage. sauske copyied lees jutsu in an instant, naruto didnt copy it he made his own variation as to why he performed it with 3 clones. sauske gained all of lees attributes in a month while lee took years to gain them. they may have tired him out faster but the point is he still copied them. also for a sharingan user to copy a move they have to be able to physically handle it, sasuke cant unlock the gates so he couldnt copy the lotus and hes never even seen the full thing so youre also wrong there, we dont know if he couldve performed it or not after seeing how lees chakra wouldve released in his body.Quote:
this is so WRONG. itachi used izamani to help kabuto get a second chance at life unlike he did. do you only not read the manga or do you only look at the pictures? he just said this in the chapters like 2 weeks ago guy it should still be freshQuote:
Yamato was experimented on by oro so wood style became his element, he didnt have to copy it since it was now technically his. thats like saying everyone is born without an element and can randomly pick and choose what they get with simple training or copying someones style and if that was the case there would be a lot more wood users than 2.Quote:
I've said this like three times already but ill say it again Just because they were rivals doesnt mean they were equals theres always gonna be a stronger clan regardless of how little it is, and which clan has the better bloodline and abilities? uchiha, so im gonna call it as i see it and as kishi wrote in the databooks and showed us in the manga
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@ Kid Chameleone
A few things I found out about this discussion is the refusal to admit the MS is op in which the current war revolves around: The Moon's Eye Plan by casting Tsukuyumi, an MS doujutsu, and completely subdues the whole world with a wink, the ability of a fractious winker to subdue the bijuu, the fact that talent was used to measure up to all the fractious winking and bloodline superiority, the fact that a fraction winker can suppress the many, the inexperience winker could outdo the experienced and the fact that Naruto needs Kurama's chakra and Toad Senjutsu to rival an MS winking Sasuke. The more I read the replies the more ridiculous the attempt to make it look like it isn't op, so this would be the last reply on the matter. The facts are as clear as day and even if it hits square in the jaw, they wouldn't even notice it. LOL.
i started this thread to find out how the senju could rival the uchiha not to get into an argument about something i already knew lol. the uchiha have the best bloodline. FACT. All i want to see is something from the senju that can rival them or atleast would make them a threat but they have none so yeah im going by what was already said and kishi wrote, sharingan is best bloodline.
people are trying to water it down but you cant, if it wasnt that powerful orochimaru ,tobi, sasuke, itachi and danzo wouldnt have a need for it and the story would have no plot without it so yeah sharingan = op. plus it can evolve into the rinnengan... case closed
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And you're understating things. It wasn't just due to his Sharingan that he got those wins. It was only one factor in many and pretty minor on it's own. Against Deudara, his Sharingan did allow him to see the bombs, but that still wouldn't have saved him if he hadn't had CS2 and a lightning nature. And against Kirabi, you're ignoring the fact that Kirabi nearly killed Sasuke twice and his Sharingan/MS didn't help his survive much those times. Having just the Sharingan wouldn't have helped at all in those situations. And I asked before, if experience was such a major factor, then shouldn't having experience and the Sharingan mean an instant win? Yet we've seen the exact opposite of that throughout the series.
Yes, the war revolves around the Moon Eye plan, which required the power of all nine Bijuu and Mokuton to complete. How exactly does requiring the power of the Juubi and gaining power similar to the Rikudou Sennin, entail that the regular MS is haxed? Subduing a Bijuu takes alot of power, as we saw with the Kyuubi attack on Konoha, and even Minato implied that someone of Madara's power wouldn't even be able to hold it for long. And note, that Tobi used Kushina's ability in addition to the Sharingan to control the Bijuus he had, so clearly it's not as simple as just a wink. And finally, Naruto didn't need the Kyuubi's chakra and Sage Mode to rival the MS. Don't know where you got that idea from.
We have over a dozen of examples of non-Senju people dealing with and managing against the Sharingan. Employing any of those tactics would have allowed the Senju to fight evenly with the Sharingan. Add to that the drawbacks of MS and the rarity of an Uchiha possessing the Sharingan, and it's should be obvious how the Senju did it. And you do realize that Orochimaru, Tobi, and Danzo wanted it for specific reasons, to gain the Rinnegan and to control the Kyuubi respectfully. If the Sharingan and it's evolutions were enough, why would the strongest Uchiha, Madara, go through the work of gaining Rinnegan?Quote:
From the looks of it, they assumed how to awaken it. Even the brothers didn't know why Madara was losing his eyesight, so they would have likely gone on assumptions.
Even MS isn't gonna help the Uchiha that aren't good in battle. Give Tenten MS and Uchiha blood, and she'll still probably be useless even against Temari.
If we go by Tsunade and Hashirama, two Senju we've seen or heard about, then Senju has higher stamina than Uchiha. That's pretty useful because Senju can last longer and use more jutsu against an Uchiha. Sharingan may help Uchiha counter jutsu, but if they get tired easily, it's not gonna mean much.Quote:
They had enough time to awaken MS, from the looks of it. Not sure how long it took between both brothers awakening MS to the truce, but if it took months, then that was plenty of time for any Uchiha with Sharingan to gain MS. Yet they still accepted the truce.Quote:
Izuna died before the truce, so it would have been just one EMS user at the time. If time went by, then it might have been more than one MS user. But we don't know how many MS users there were when the truce was proposed, yet Uchiha still accepted. Tobi has not shown to have MS. Manga has stated Shisui, Itachi, and Sasuke were prodigies of their clan, and Itachi or Tobi made it so Sasuke would gain MS. If it weren't for either or both of them, Sasuke would still have Sharingan. Kakashi is still an unknown, but he is a genius. So far, we have seen prodigies gain MS, not any random Uchiha.
No I did not. If they were sick of fighting, that means they knew they couldn't beat Senju for a long time. They accepted the truce, something they wouldn't have done if they knew they'd win. Why would the Uchiha accept the truce, despite being tired of fighting, if they were "haxxed?" Why not finish off their greatest enemy and become the top clan if they had the power to do so?
Oh, k. MS still isn't "haxxed" since if the person has the required skills, then they won't be affected by MS. Raikage had the required skills to fight MS, Sasuke had the skills to fight MS, and apparently Naruto now has the skills to fight the MS. I will admit MS is too good a weapon against majority of the shinobi though. Only reason I'm not saying it's "haxxed" is because of what the manga has shown us. If Sasuke beat every opponent ever since he got his MS, I'd agree. Only one person makes it look "haxxed," and that's Itachi because of Tsukuyomi and Susano'o.Quote:
Similar to how Mito became a Senju, why can't a Senju become an Akimichi or Nara or whatever? Your own Naruto Wiki says Senju may have assimilated with other clans. I don't see why not, especially since they've been gathering prodigies from other clans. Hell, Naruto's surname is his mother's, not his father's, though to protect him from Minato's enemies. Senju could have also spread out all around the village, country, or world like Uzuamaki did after the village was destroyed.
So in other words, Hashirama was more "haxxed" than Madara.Quote:
No, I'm saying if MS was truly "haxxed," then age or experience wouldn't have mattered, Sasuke would have still won. That's what "haxx" is, example being Itachi. Susano'o with the Sword and Shield, Izanami, Tsukuyomi, etc. He's virtually unbeatable, and possibly the only "haxxed" MS user, Madara pre-VotE fight coming a close second.
Kabuto was also holding back because he didn't want to kill Sasuke and possibly use Itachi to either get Sasuke to join him or get control back.
Statements aren't facts. one has said Tsukuyomi is the most powerful genjutsu while another has said KA is the most powerful genjutsu. Statements are statements, characters' opinions. You can't just take statements as facts, you also have to take in what is shown. Kishi isn't the one saying things through characters, he's showing what they think.Quote:
Madara's plan wasn't to lose to Hashirama, according to Tobi. Why would he lose, especially when it made him a former shell of himself?Quote:
Manga proof is in countless of people saying Hashirama beat Madara. Though 'once and for all' may not be accurate at this point because we don't know how Hashirama died, and Madara still lived.
Mokuton or not, it's been said that Hashirama finally beat Madara at VotE to the point that Madara was thought to be dead.
Sharingan isn't the best kekkei genkai. Yeah, it belongs on top five list of best kekkei genkai, but it certainly isn't the best. It really depends on how good the wielder is. Pit Obito with EMS against Raikage and he'd still likely lose. Replace him with Sasuke, and Sasuke has a better chance of winning, though he'd probably lose because of his speed. Give Itachi EMS, and he'd probably win.
If Sharingan was the best kekkei genkai, we'd see more Sharingan users as among the top shinobi. Although Kakashi's nickname comes from his Sharingan, he's still a genius aided by Sharingan, making the best use of Sharingan. And unlike Sharingan, Byakugan can be awakened by any Hyuuga regardless of talent or emotion. If Sharingan was easy to unlock, and if MS could be easily achieved, then yeah, I'd agree that Sharingan is the best kekkei genkai and most likely overpowered, apart from the slow blindness that occurs.
Sasuke was unable to kill or keep Yamato down for long, despite stabbing him right in the chest and numbing him. Apart from Kimimaro's kekkei genkai, almost all kekkei genkai look inferior to Mokuton. Mokuton can be used short range, long range, help heal, create a huge forest, and so much more. Sharingan does not have that ability.Quote:
I'm not using Hashirama vs. Madara to say that Senju > Uchiha, or that they're even better. I'm using their history. Uchiha's inability to wipe out Senju, even after MS was unlocked, despite centuries of fighting, indicates that neither clan was superior for centuries. Maybe little bit superior, but not enough to really change the results.
Different logic as Danzou and Yamato's skills with Mokuton are nowhere near Hashirama's. Yamato didn't even look to have a serious injury despite being stabbed after using Mokuton to push the sword away. Danzou is a horrible example as he didn't have the chakra to make most use of MOkuton, just like Yamato didn't have the chakra.
Because Izanagi is different from Mokuton. Danzou did not have the chakra to constantly use Mokuton or the ability to use it on Hashirama's level. He couldn't maintain control over it for too long either. Izanagi however was easy for Danzou since he had tons of Sharingan to use. You're not looking at the reasons. We saw with Danzou that it was difficult to control Mokuton, opposed to being able to do Izanagi easily.Quote:
If Sharingan > Mokuton, then Hashirama would not have beaten Madara. If Sharingan > Mokuton, then Sasuke would have killed Yamato. despite Madara's Susano'o, Hashirama still beat Madara. Mokuton can do more than Sharingan.
Sasuke said it in Part I if I recall when we first saw Kakashi's Sharingan. It's been said many times, especially in the databook and Naruto Wiki. I'd like to call bullshit on what Kishi said though, but we don't know if the rarity applied back durin the war despite no mention of that. Thanks to Obito, if Kishi says Sharingan was still rare before Konoha being founded, it'll be bullshit.Quote:
Um, I did already say that Izanagi didn't require MS. Izanami might have, but Izanagi didn't. We have at least eleven proofs, from two shinobi. For all we know, Izanagi could have been after Konoha was founded. Isn't it weird how despite Izanagi, Uchiha didn't gain an edge? or Madara was unable to kill Hashirama? We know he didn't use Izanagi until he was damaged badly otherwise he wouldn't have been a former shell of himself, not like Tobi is, anyway.
no, he would have died before even using his MS if it weren't for Karin and Juugo. Bee still got away with it. Sharingan is in no way OP, and Uchiha/Sharingan is in no way "haxxed." If it was, age would not have mattered, neither would experience. Sasuke would have still won, not nearly be killed or be saved. If Sharingan was haxxed, Madara, Sasuke, Obito, and Kakashi would win every battle.Quote:
He didn't win because of his Sharingan. Sasuke still outsmarted Deidara and managed to use his skills.
Sasuke didn't gain all of Lee's attributes in a month. the manga itself says that Sasuke couldn't keep up with Lee. In battle of speed, Lee would have won just because he could last longer and potentially go faster.Quote:
Naruto copied it and made his own variation of it. Sasuke made his own variation of the move too - instead of doing Lotus he came up with Shishi Rendan.
Sharingan copies what can be copied. opening the gates can't be copied, neither can Lotus since it apparently requires opening the gates. You're acting as if everything Sharingan sees can be copied and used - while it may be copied, it can't be used if its wielder doesn't have the ability to use it.
no, you're gonna call it as how you hope to see it. If Uchiha has better bloodline and abilities, then they would have wiped out Senju long ago. As of now, they're more equal than superior.Quote:
If the Uchiha was "haxxed," once again, Senju would have been wiped out long before Hashirama and Madara's time. Uchiha would not have accepted the peace treaty with Senju, they would have continued fighting, if they were "haxxed." Sasuke would have beaten Killerbee, Raikage, Kazekage, and not have to be saved by Tobi or Taka.
You can ignore manga facts all you want, but it's clear that MS isn't as overpowered. You can complain about Naruto getting Kyuubi chakra to equal Sasuke's MS, but even without MS or Sharingan, Sasuke has shown to be superior to Naruto in Part II.
Wanna whine about how Sharingan makes one overpowered? Why not whine about how Byakugan makes one overpowered - any Hyuuga can unlock it and once they do, they can kill anyone with one touch. Just send chakra in to destroy the organs. Neither Sharingan nor Uchiha has that power. The only time we saw Sharingan or MS one-shot anyone was when Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Kakashi, which is still questionable, and when Sasuke used genjutsu on Jay to find Killerbee's whereabouts.
Of course, ignore facts that make Uchiha look less "haxxed."
You should be asking how the younger brother was able to stand against older brother when his doujutsu should have been the best. Sharingan is apparently a devolution of Rin'negan and older brother's eyes, so how despite having one of hte most powerful eyes, was he unable to kill his younger brother? And how, despite older brother's descendants having the doujutsu, were unable to kill or wipe out Senju? Another question is, was the Sharingan so rare before Konoha was founded, considering the amount of battles that has occurred in those eras?
The story would have a plot without Sharingan. It did in Part I. And Sasuke or Itachi have a need for it? Wha?
Why not point out how Kumo has tried to get Byakugan or how Ao managed to get a Byakugan eye? If I recall, only people in Konoha has had Sharingan while those outside Konoha had Byakugan or tried to get Byakugan. Or how MS causes blindness unlike Byakugan?
All I see is bias/hatred against Uchiha. Before accusing me of bein biased, I'm not. The only Uchiha I like, I have admitted is "haxxed."
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Appears I was wrong about the chakra issue, though I don't see how that pertains to Izanagi and Izanami.