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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
a body with infinite durability (always restored to peak) and infinite stamina
the first thing i looked out for was whether izanagi/izanami's sharingan-destroying effects would work on an edo tensei zombie. it did.
then your theory came into play. the edo tensei body was finite, the resurrection was equivalent to just restoring their physical conditions to one-time peak, that would wear out as they did when they were alive.
then your theory got disproven, there is an undying body with unlimited chakra
so how did the sharingan get deactivated? the eventual theory left is that it has something to do with the spirit/soul of the user.
but that just raises further questions.
it does not make sense as it means any amount of transplantation wouldn't help unless transplanting ripped out the other guy's soul, so whatever eyes the sharingan user gets, it'd still be blind when used by him
in any case, all this is irrelevant as kishi has obviously chosen this path in his storyline, apparently without giving it much thought
the point is, there is now the question of how izanagi/izanami deactivates the sharingan. it's obviously not a physical or chakra injury now that this has been confirmed
Unlimited chakra doesn't mean the body isn't finite. We have still witness multiple Edo summons affected by their own limitations. Heck, Itachi still bleeds when he uses Amaterasu, which would have nothing to do with his soul. We saw Itachi physically affected all throughout the fight with Kabuto. The addition of unlimited chakra merely that they can keep fighting forever and presumably spam techniques, though we still have yet to see any do so.
That pretty much sums up the answer to most of the questions raised and discussed in this thread. Everyone is right, while simultaneously being completely wrong. Why, because the manga often contradicts itself. Kishi has shown a willingness to sacrifice consistency and basic logic for plot purposes or just plain old blatant fanservice. While he was initially focused on the details of the story, he has become more interested in the bang. The Senju & The Uchiha, two of the biggest bangs, ripped massive holes in the integrity and consistency of the story, although special credit does have to be given to the Uchiha on this front. At this point, they've just managed to get themselves and everyone else lost in the wreckage of their own awesomeness. And without a reliable guide to help us find our way some determinations are going to be near impossible to make.Quote:
we do have some guide. It's been implied that Sharingan was rare even before Konoha was established. That could explain why Senju and Uchiha were able to fight evenly - the Uchiha who had Sharingan were either double teamed or fought against a prodigy. Makes more sense than Senju being strong enough to fight Sharingan and not lose everything.
Though, any power related to Uchiha unfairly gets called powerup or "haxx" despite what we've seen. Though, the only reason I'm not calling Madara "haxxed" is due to the Kyuubi. Not sure if Muu and Oonoki really fought Madara, but he was able to take them down.
HOWEVER, with what we saw from Obito and Sasuke, Sharingan should have been easy to unlock. Kishi's bein confusing. During the war, Sharingan should be easy to unlock due to the loss Uchiha should have faced, even if it wasn't as many. The situation they would have found themselves in should have given them enough emotion to unlock Sharingan. This is still a vague area that could be expanded upon.
Not MS necessarily, just Sharingan. Obito and Sasuke woke theirs from trauma or feeling strong emotion, whether to protect a friend or anger. Uchiha back then should have woken SHaringan considering their lives and their loved ones' lives tended to be in danger whenever they fought a battle. I can understand MS being very rare, at least in those times, but not Sharingan.
However, Kishi did never say Sharingan was always rare. Might have meant after Konoha was formed, or after Hiruzen became a hokage.
Given the way that databooks say it, it seems like it was always rare. Madara a was pretty much a prodigy, yet from what was shown, he didn't even awaken his Sharingan until later in life.
i agree with this because after konoha was formed they were no longer push to the limits of fighting senju(and others)regularly...this was the lead to their downfall by konoha or by another...not enough battle experience as a clan(they were security guards for konoha).Quote:
plus,we have no idea how many fell in the great ninja wars(sharingan,ms,or ems)...because besides madara.it seems the whole clan back then were all in for konoha as far as protecting it...
Last edited by gnut; June 29, 2012 at 05:47 PM.
Maybe, but we can't forget that the formation of the villages didn't prevent them from having to worry about warfare. We know that Konoha was involved in at least three major wars.
it's not that their bodies are infinite by being unable to get injured
it's that they recover after getting injured
in teh case of toxins, it's because the toxin paralytic effects are continuous and ongoing, i'm pretty sure if the toxins were stopped he'd instantly recover from paralysis, whereas a normal person would be pretty much down for the count.
Not really, the manga just shown that izuna and madara has some kind of training. That's maybe the reason why he become a prodigy. He awaken his sharingan even if he was just a child/genin and later he awaken his MS and EMS. I never said that everyone in the uchiha clan has the sharingan. but rather i just said that the sharingan isn't a rare to uchiha clan at that time.