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Thread: Madara Vs Hashirama, Uchiha Vs Senju

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    Re: Madara Vs Hashirama, Uchiha Vs Senju

    The context was specifically about Madara awakening his Sharingan, there would be no reason to flashback to after he had awaken it if he had awoken it warier in life. So he was already well into his teens when he did it. And he was a prodigy on account of him being born with even stronger chakra then normal for an Uchiha. We have more examples of Sharingan wielders in the present era then in the past era, so I'll say it was plenty rare.

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    Re: Madara Vs Hashirama, Uchiha Vs Senju

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    And you're understating things. It wasn't just due to his Sharingan that he got those wins. It was only one factor in many and pretty minor on it's own. Against Deudara, his Sharingan did allow him to see the bombs, but that still wouldn't have saved him if he hadn't had CS2 and a lightning nature. And against Kirabi, you're ignoring the fact that Kirabi nearly killed Sasuke twice and his Sharingan/MS didn't help his survive much those times. Having just the Sharingan wouldn't have helped at all in those situations. And I asked before, if experience was such a major factor, then shouldn't having experience and the Sharingan mean an instant win? Yet we've seen the exact opposite of that throughout the series.
    And still Killerbee was beaten by Amaterasu and Deidara by a sharingan genjutsu. Sorry but doesn't seem like a "minor factor" to me.

    1 - If you look into an Uchiha's eyes, you are done for. So they force u to fight without seeing their face.
    2 - If you have a partner to take u out of genjutsu, you are done for, cause the uchiha will use Tsukuyomi to kill u in an instant.
    3 - If you don't have a special defense/evasion jutsu, you are done for, because u won't be able to survive a single Amaterasu.
    4 - No matter what u have, u are done for, because there's nothing that can compete with Susano'o at the moment.
    5 - If you are just around, you are done for, because the Uchiha might have Kotoamatsukami.
    6 - If you try to just destroy the hole battleground, it may not work: the Uchiha could swallow the atack with Kamui.
    7 - If you try to destroy it a second time, it probably won't work either: the Uchiha can still use Susano'o lol.
    8- If you do it a third time, sorry it won't work, they still have Izanagi LOL

    Please, stop discussing about Sharingan being OP, it's just ilogical and childish to say it isn't, lol
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    Re: Madara Vs Hashirama, Uchiha Vs Senju

    Quote Originally Posted by metalia View Post
    And still Killerbee was beaten by Amaterasu and Deidara by a sharingan genjutsu. Sorry but doesn't seem like a "minor factor" to me.

    1 - If you look into an Uchiha's eyes, you are done for. So they force u to fight without seeing their face.
    2 - If you have a partner to take u out of genjutsu, you are done for, cause the uchiha will use Tsukuyomi to kill u in an instant.
    3 - If you don't have a special defense/evasion jutsu, you are done for, because u won't be able to survive a single Amaterasu.
    4 - No matter what u have, u are done for, because there's nothing that can compete with Susano'o at the moment.
    5 - If you are just around, you are done for, because the Uchiha might have Kotoamatsukami.
    6 - If you try to just destroy the hole battleground, it may not work: the Uchiha could swallow the atack with Kamui.
    7 - If you try to destroy it a second time, it probably won't work either: the Uchiha can still use Susano'o lol.
    8- If you do it a third time, sorry it won't work, they still have Izanagi LOL

    Please, stop discussing about Sharingan being OP, it's just ilogical and childish to say it isn't, lol
    Minor when you factor in the facts that Kirabi could have killed Sasuke several times beforehand and without the right nature, Deidara would have won.

    1 - Or you fight with superior numbers, as Chiyo mentions.
    2 - Tsukuyomi was only available to the tiny few who had MS and even then would still have been rare among them. Tsukuyomi's power would also depend on the user, as we have seen.
    3 - Same with Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu would have been unique to certain individuals.
    4 - Once again, Susanoo was unique and rare, even more so then regular MS abilities.
    5 - Same as above.
    6 - Same as above.
    7 - Already mentioned.
    8 - Which only last for a set while and cost the user an eye.

    Using unique and rare abilities that the majority of the clan would never have had to prove OP is ridiculous. By that logic, the Senju were OP since they could heal any wound, create an entire forest, and control the Bijuus. And Konoha ninjas are Op because they can create shockwaves with a punch, teleport everywhere using kunai, and grow to the size of a Bijuu.

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    Re: Madara Vs Hashirama, Uchiha Vs Senju

    Quote Originally Posted by metalia View Post
    And still Killerbee was beaten by Amaterasu and Deidara by a sharingan genjutsu. Sorry but doesn't seem like a "minor factor" to me.
    Killerbee was never beaten by Amaterasu, he managed to avoid being hit with the Amaterasu and tricked Sasuke into thinking he got the real thing.

    Itachi is known as the master of genjutsu. Technically, Deidara could have still fought, but he came close to blowing himself up. He was probably bowled over by Itachi's genjutsu skills and how artistic he looked.

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    1 - If you look into an Uchiha's eyes, you are done for. So they force u to fight without seeing their face.
    Provide an example. So far, the only example is Sasuke taking out Jay to get Killerbee's location.

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    2 - If you have a partner to take u out of genjutsu, you are done for, cause the uchiha will use Tsukuyomi to kill u in an instant.
    Only Itachi has Tsukuyomi, and every time we saw him use it, he failed to kill someone.

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    3 - If you don't have a special defense/evasion jutsu, you are done for, because u won't be able to survive a single Amaterasu.
    The samurai was able to survive the Amaterasu. So was Madara.

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    4 - No matter what u have, u are done for, because there's nothing that can compete with Susano'o at the moment.
    Other than avoiding the attacks and letting the user use up too much chakra to sustain Susano'o. Sasuke went completely blind against Kakashi when he used a more complete Susano'o. And as Danzou and Raikage proved, all it takes is a good attack. Itachi had a benefit of Yata Shield, something that I doubt any Uchiha who could use Susano'o has.

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    5 - If you are just around, you are done for, because the Uchiha might have Kotoamatsukami.
    Wrong, Kotoamatsukami controls the mind of a person, it doesn't hurt them, not as far as we've seen. And this seems to be limited to only Shisui, whose eyes have been taken by Danzou and Itachi, latter of who could use it once per decade.

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    6 - If you try to just destroy the hole battleground, it may not work: the Uchiha could swallow the atack with Kamui.
    Something that's limited to only Kakashi, and the size depending on chakra, based on what Kakashi said.

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    7 - If you try to destroy it a second time, it probably won't work either: the Uchiha can still use Susano'o lol.
    If they still have the chakra or eyesight to do so after kamui.

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    8- If you do it a third time, sorry it won't work, they still have Izanagi LOL
    I'll give that to you.
    Though, Izanagi will work only if the user's threatened.

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    Please, stop discussing about Sharingan being OP, it's just ilogical and childish to say it isn't, lol
    Um, your argument that it is OP is illogical and childish, actually.

    First of all, Sharingan is a rare thing among Uchiha. Which in turn makes Mangekyo Sharingan even rarer. According to Tobi, Susano'o was very rare so if he's telling the truth, that makes Susano'o an extremely rare thing even among MS users.

    Plus, we have seen Sharingan and MS be bested many times. Not impossible to believe that Senju can beat Uchiha, even those with Sharingan.

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