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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    @Murdock

    Read OP. They can't fly. Also if Naruto sends ANY clone to where the old man is he will lock him in melee making him unable to spam his jutsus. Also 1 of the frogs has a huge shield.


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    On a side note, Oro has ET Hashirama and Niidaime?
    For him to use ET he would need some prep so no.

    Also anybody getting to the old man would take him out of the fight, even 1 clone of Naruto would be enough to tie him down so he can't blast people. Orochimaru can just reform or whatever. Keep in mind he can't fly so his defences are limited and completly based on the other people to defened him. If Jman for instance that was so fast to get behind Pein a good number of times would go for him and avoid the first beam with a clone or whatever he could use oil to remove the sand defence (from Gaara) and then 1 shoot him. How about that hair attack (like needles) it was really fast, he could defenetly get the old man.
    The old man is slow enough. Naruto could also trick him with some clones (God knows he has the feats for it :P) and then get 1 hit in, it would be more then enough. As long as the other people are around the old man can't just blast the entire area as he would hit his team to. Also those gates would be good defence yes. How about Oro's sea of snakes?

    The big problem i see with the old man is not alone blasting crep but jumping on Raikage's back like in the manga... Now that is scary.
    Last edited by xXan; June 15, 2012 at 03:26 AM.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    @Murdock

    Read OP. They can't fly. Also if Naruto sends ANY clone to where the old man is he will lock him in melee making him unable to spam his jutsus. Also 1 of the frogs has a huge shield.


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    For him to use ET he would need some prep so no.

    Also anybody getting to the old man would take him out of the fight, even 1 clone of Naruto would be enough to tie him down so he can't blast people. Orochimaru can just reform or whatever. Keep in mind he can't fly so his defences are limited and completly based on the other people to defened him. If Jman for instance that was so fast to get behind Pein a good number of times would go for him and avoid the first beam with a clone or whatever he could use oil to remove the sand defence (from Gaara) and then 1 shoot him. How about that hair attack (like needles) it was really fast, he could defenetly get the old man.
    The old man is slow enough. Naruto could also trick him with some clones (God knows he has the feats for it :P) and then get 1 hit in, it would be more then enough. As long as the other people are around the old man can't just blast the entire area as he would hit his team to. Also those gates would be good defence yes. How about Oro's sea of snakes?

    The big problem i see with the old man is not alone blasting crep but jumping on Raikage's back like in the manga... Now that is scary.
    making those two not fly is pretty much like saying that Naruto can't use kage bunshin at all, same with oro and his chimera technique and for tsunade her seal ... basicaly you are saying that Garra can't fight since his sand is flying and as for Oonoki that is basically the only thing that separates him from Muu, his flying and dust element is ideal combo ... its like saying that Minato is unable to use hiraishin ... that is such an essential part that is meaningless to create the fight in the first place

    also what does a shield have to do with anything ... Dust element can destroy everything we've seen so far ...
    Why Tobi can't be Obito (or Rin):

    Year 0 for our purposes:
    We know that Madara and Tobi knew each other (confirmed by Kishi) and gave Madara's Rinnegan to Nagato.
    Year 5:
    J-Man trains Nagato
    Year 10:
    Obito is born.Tobi might be using Obito's eye but that is improbable since it would most likely be MS technique BUT considering how much he's been using it he would be blind by now. Itachi used it very sporadically and was blind, same Sasuke-Tobi is spamming it for 17 years and is OK?

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

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    Your point is? I even placed a limitation on Naruto, he is limited to 10 clones when he can be from 1 to 1000.

    Also its not meaningless to create a fight with restrictions... Let me gues you never noticed around here this type of fights? Like Sasuke with no sharingan, Sasuke with only sharingan (no EMS or MS), JMan with no SM. SM only Naruto, Naruto with no Kurama mode and only normal RM, Itachi with no MS etc, etc, etc.

    What is meaningless is to post what you just did.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    For him to use ET he would need some prep so no.

    Also anybody getting to the old man would take him out of the fight, even 1 clone of Naruto would be enough to tie him down so he can't blast people. Orochimaru can just reform or whatever. Keep in mind he can't fly so his defences are limited and completly based on the other people to defened him. If Jman for instance that was so fast to get behind Pein a good number of times would go for him and avoid the first beam with a clone or whatever he could use oil to remove the sand defence (from Gaara) and then 1 shoot him. How about that hair attack (like needles) it was really fast, he could defenetly get the old man.
    The old man is slow enough. Naruto could also trick him with some clones (God knows he has the feats for it :P) and then get 1 hit in, it would be more then enough. As long as the other people are around the old man can't just blast the entire area as he would hit his team to. Also those gates would be good defence yes. How about Oro's sea of snakes?

    The big problem i see with the old man is not alone blasting crep but jumping on Raikage's back like in the manga... Now that is scary.
    Good call, with ET it would be over way too soon for the Sannin team.

    As for Oonoki, I actually don't think that he is as easily disposed, I mean while the Sannin team is composed by pretty fast characters, none of them has, for a lack of better word, "blitzing speed", this, in conjunction with Oonoki not requiring hand seals to use Dust Release would mean that he would whip out at least one of those before being intercepted, and if that hit, its game over for anybody except Oro.
    Sure, Oro and Naruto could go underground ( damn, I'm going way back in part 1 where such skills were important) but would they be fast enough? Even Madara in the last bout couldn't dodge that Dust jutsu completely.
    Also Oonoki isn't defenceless, he is a master of Earth Jutsus, and has a beastly defence with it, even without Gaara's help.

    Oonoki would be manageable if 2 of the team would gang on him from the beginning, but can Naruto handle 2 kage at once? Or Orochimaru, or Jiraiya, or Tsunade? Only Naruto can match A, but he can't match Gaara's sand. Likewise Jiraiya can match Gaara's sand, but he hasn't showed the sensing skills that would enable him to react to A, same for Tsunade and Orochimaru.
    Though thanks to elemental advantage Jiraiya could deal with Mei ( Earth > Water ) and Gaara ( Oil?> Sand? ), but that is a bit of a stretch.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    nah. Mei has the sexy body advantage. And Mei's attire is advantage to jiraiya. Afterall, that man is a pervert.

    Does the team kage knows that jiraiya's hair is the best? and that he has the sage mode? and that ma and pa can used a powerful genjutsu?

    The only problem in this fight is oonoki. But still, the sannin and naruto isn't a fodder either. Oonoki's dust release is really dangerous. But if he can hit it directly to the sannin or before the sannin can create a bunshin. I think oonoki is just limited to 3 dust tech. Hermit Jiraiya and oro has a long range jutsu to attack oonoki.

    And the fact that the team kage doesn't have a genjutsu type then they can't really fight hermit jiraiya in a long run. Ma and pa can used the frog call or if they can gather the nature energy immediately, then the team kage is good as dead.

    Sannin win in this fight.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    @Murdock


    Your point is? I even placed a limitation on Naruto, he is limited to 10 clones when he can be from 1 to 1000.

    Also its not meaningless to create a fight with restrictions... Let me gues you never noticed around here this type of fights? Like Sasuke with no sharingan, Sasuke with only sharingan (no EMS or MS), JMan with no SM. SM only Naruto, Naruto with no Kurama mode and only normal RM, Itachi with no MS etc, etc, etc.

    What is meaningless is to post what you just did.
    Never without extensive knowledge of characters (we know what those characters are capable of because we know a lot more about them than the others) ... we basically know nothing about Oonoki except for his flying, dust element, and few golems ... but I'll give you that he can't fly but making Gaara unable to fly is taking away is sand and thus taking everything away ...

    anyway even without flying I gotta go with Kages --- Oonoki and Gaara are real trouble ...
    Why Tobi can't be Obito (or Rin):

    Year 0 for our purposes:
    We know that Madara and Tobi knew each other (confirmed by Kishi) and gave Madara's Rinnegan to Nagato.
    Year 5:
    J-Man trains Nagato
    Year 10:
    Obito is born.Tobi might be using Obito's eye but that is improbable since it would most likely be MS technique BUT considering how much he's been using it he would be blind by now. Itachi used it very sporadically and was blind, same Sasuke-Tobi is spamming it for 17 years and is OK?

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    The kage win. Raikage can take out Jiraiya before he has a chance to get into Sage Mode. It takes Jiraiya a while, and summons won't help him unless the kage only attack Jiraiya with summons. Oonoki can take out the shield with his Jinton. Oonoki can definitely kill Orochimaru with Jinton as well. As for Tsunade, it depends on where they target her, I guess. With Gaara's defense and Mei's... mist, the Sannin have no chance except for maybe Naruto. But even he can't stand against Jinton, though I'm not sure about Raikage's punch. Raikage should be able to handle his Sage Mode taijutsu, though.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Raikage can take out Jiraiya before he has a chance to get into Sage Mode.
    Jiraiya already starts in Sage Mode.

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    The only problem in this fight is oonoki. But still, the sannin and naruto isn't a fodder either. Oonoki's dust release is really dangerous. But if he can hit it directly to the sannin or before the sannin can create a bunshin. I think oonoki is just limited to 3 dust tech. Hermit Jiraiya and oro has a long range jutsu to attack oonoki.

    And the fact that the team kage doesn't have a genjutsu type then they can't really fight hermit jiraiya in a long run. Ma and pa can used the frog call or if they can gather the nature energy immediately, then the team kage is good as dead.
    Onoki can use more then three Dust techniques. He fought for some time using Dust techniques to counter Muu's own Dust techniques. Also, we've seen that Onoki has plenty of reach with his Dust techniques.

    And they wouldn't need a genjutsu type to fight Jiraiya. The Toad Song takes time and is a pretty obvious genjutsu. The Kages would have plenty of time to counteract or take the toads out before they're fully caught.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Oh, womp womp.

    Though I still think the kage will win, it'll be harder since SM Jiraiya does have speed and lot of attacks powered by SM. He's pretty lethal in this mode.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Onoki can use more then three Dust techniques. He fought for some time using Dust techniques to counter Muu's own Dust techniques. Also, we've seen that Onoki has plenty of reach with his Dust techniques.

    And they wouldn't need a genjutsu type to fight Jiraiya. The Toad Song takes time and is a pretty obvious genjutsu. The Kages would have plenty of time to counteract or take the toads out before they're fully caught.
    Pretty obvious genjutsu? really? No. They can't see it nor the kage knows that ma and pa are gathering a senjutsu chakra to used their ultimate genjutsu. They can just hear it but it was the moment they're already in the genjutsu world. Jiraiya can fight or used his swamp to the undreworld to restrain them to move, or he can used his hair attack, Or oro can used his snakes to fight the kages, and so is naruto and tsunade. And the fact that hermit jiraiya can used a kage bunshin then the kage can't do anything to stop ma and pa to cast their ultimate genjutsu.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Pretty obvious genjutsu? really? No. They can't see it nor the kage knows that ma and pa are gathering a senjutsu chakra to used their ultimate genjutsu. They can just hear it but it was the moment they're already in the genjutsu world. Jiraiya can fight or used his swamp to the undreworld to restrain them to move, or he can used his hair attack, Or oro can used his snakes to fight the kages, and so is naruto and tsunade. And the fact that hermit jiraiya can used a kage bunshin then the kage can't do anything to stop ma and pa to cast their ultimate genjutsu.
    See it? They wouldn't have to see it to know it's a genjutsu. They'll be able to tell it's a genjutsu just by hearing it, the same way the Paths were able to tell by hearing the sound. And we saw the Paths fight for quite some time after hearing it before they were actually caught. So the Kages will have plenty of time to realize what's going on and target Jiraiya and the toads before they're completely caught.

    The swamp, hair, snakes, or taijutsu isn't gonna be able to restrain or slow them down; Gaara doesn't need to move to use his techniques, Onoki can reduce anything thrown his way into dust, Mei can act in a similar way by melting things with her lava in addition to using her acid mist to do damage simply by being there, and Ee's speed would protect him. Gaara, Onoki, and Mei all have lethal AOE techniques they can throw at multiple targets, an Ee's speed would allow him to hit and run the entire time. Between Gaara turning the entire ground into a sand tsunami, Mei hiding the Kages using her Hidden Mist and Acid Mist, and Onoki using his stone shields and Golems, the Kages can keep the Sannins back while still attacking.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Why are the Sannin getting underestimated this much? I think the sannin team will win.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    They're underestimated because aside from maybe Jiraiya, the Sannins lack the raw power and haxness that the Kages have with their techniques, and they have no real defense against their opponents attacks unlike the Kages too.

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    Re: Team Sannin vs Team Kage

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    See it? They wouldn't have to see it to know it's a genjutsu. They'll be able to tell it's a genjutsu just by hearing it, the same way the Paths were able to tell by hearing the sound. And we saw the Paths fight for quite some time after hearing it before they were actually caught. So the Kages will have plenty of time to realize what's going on and target Jiraiya and the toads before they're completely caught.

    The swamp, hair, snakes, or taijutsu isn't gonna be able to restrain or slow them down; Gaara doesn't need to move to use his techniques, Onoki can reduce anything thrown his way into dust, Mei can act in a similar way by melting things with her lava in addition to using her acid mist to do damage simply by being there, and Ee's speed would protect him. Gaara, Onoki, and Mei all have lethal AOE techniques they can throw at multiple targets, an Ee's speed would allow him to hit and run the entire time. Between Gaara turning the entire ground into a sand tsunami, Mei hiding the Kages using her Hidden Mist and Acid Mist, and Onoki using his stone shields and Golems, the Kages can keep the Sannins back while still attacking.
    How can raikage's speed would allow him to hit and run the entire time when the ground his running for is already a swamp in the underworld? it doesn't make any sense. The sannin's summon alone will going to make the kage run for their money. Bunta and hermit jiraiya, their combination attack, but that includes ma and pa. Tsunade and katsui, and oro and manda, their combination attack is really dangerous and had a wide area of attack.

    I'm pretty sure Hermit jiraiya and bunta's combination attack, bunta for the oil, jiraiya for the fire and pa for the wind, or the combination attack of jiraiya, ma and pa, is no doubt more powerful than Mei's lava attack, Afterall, their attack/jutsu was fuel by senjutsu chakra.

    Even if gaara can manage turning the entire ground into a sand of tsunami, And Mei can hide the kages using her Hidden Mist and acid mist(?), and oonoki used his stone shields and golem, But still, this kind of defence is really useless to jiraiya. He can make the battle field/gaara's sand of tsunami into a swamp of the underworld.

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