Fairy Tail 288 Discussion/ 289 Predictions

[zerocooldx]

the problem is not that they are godslayers, but it gets kinda boring if this hyped character all mighty flexing muscles and all, goes all high and mighty and in the end get curbstomped again...
What is so Godslayerish about that then?
In essence it means wendy has to lose to validify her as being really strong. If Godslaying in essence is above dragonslaying then winning against a Godslayer should not be the rule but the exception.

What God Slayer got curb stomped? If it wasn't for Makarov's brief intervention Zancrow could have probably killed Natsu in their battle. Also just because Magic A is superior to Magic B that doesn't mean that Mage A is superior to Mage B. All that means is that if all else is exactly equal a GS should beat a DS.

[1337 haxor]

What God Slayer got curb stomped? If it wasn't for Makarov's brief intervention Zancrow could have probably killed Natsu in their battle. Also just because Magic A is superior to Magic B that doesn't mean that Mage A is superior to Mage B. All that means is that if all else is exactly equal a GS should beat a DS.

True, Zancrow bought the idiot ball and was blown away for it.

Fact is that no matter how better GS magic is, a simple human cannot beat the likes of a DS or a dragon for that matter.

Natsu and Wendy probably have ridiculously large magic reserves they can use to amplify their inferior magic to levels far beyond that of what a normal human with GS is capable of doing.

It's like the difference between 1 kilo of dynamite vs 1 ton of black powder, the former is a better explosive but the latter is in a ridiculously greater amount.

[THM Nindo]

True, Zancrow bought the idiot ball and was blown away for it.

Fact is that no matter how better GS magic is, a simple human cannot beat the likes of a DS or a dragon for that matter.

Natsu and Wendy probably have ridiculously large magic reserves they can use to amplify their inferior magic to levels far beyond that of what a normal human with GS is capable of doing.

It's like the difference between 1 kilo of dynamite vs 1 ton of black powder, the former is a better explosive but the latter is in a ridiculously greater amount.

Where was it ever stated that the God Slayer didn't have just as much magic reserve than Dragon Slayer?
Until proven otherwise, the God Slayer are stronger than Dragon Slayer.

I wouldn't put too much importance on the fight against Zancrow to judge the power of a God Slayer for 2 reasons:
- Natsu is the protagonist, so, of course, he would win
- Zancrow was stupid... like, very stupid...

[kkck]

I would question to what extent zancrow's stupidity affected the outcome of the fight though. I didn't get the impression that he actually fought stupidly and by the time makarov got a hold of him he had already gone for the kill. Its not like he toyed around either, he handed natsu his ass for most of the fight. I guess the one thing zancrow could have done differently was actually use the flame he took from natsu to also use the dragon god flame.

That is something which always seemed weird though. If the god flame was superior to the dragon flame then why is the combination of the two a greater flame rather than a lesser flame to the god flame? Its not like the dragon god flame was just a bit stronger. Zancrow used his god below and kagutsuchi against natsu (equivalents to the brilliant flame and dragon roar, two of natsu's more powerful techniques) and even then he did not outright take natsu out. Zancrow had not even taken a hit and natsu was able to one shot him with the dragon god brilliant flame. Maybe I am over thinking this part but perhaps it is an indication that dragons are not inherently weaker than gods.

Then there is also the consideration of wendy's fight with shelia. If gods were inherently stronger than dragons then why would the fight go the way it did? Shelia eats air to replenish and heal herself so why didn't the fight go the same way and natsu's and zancrow's fight and had shelia eating wendy's attacks? Its not just that she did not eat them, wendy's attacks actually caused damage to her. Ultimately what made the difference here was not shelia having a superior element per say but rather her ability to recover herself fast (which could be because of her eating the air or because of her sky magic healing her or both). And for all we know, it is only a matter of time before wendy develops the ability to heal herself considering overall DS and GS magic is just all too similar.

Anyways, taking all of this into consideration I don't particularly get the impression that gods are overall stronger than dragons. Rather, my impression is that gods and dragons should be by all intents and purposes powerful creatures with dominion over elements of overall similar power level.

[hoeru]

I wonder if Mashima-sensei is going on with the battle round in the next chapter(s) or if he's gonna show us some new development about Yukino being targeted by Arcadios... :/

[lawlett-kun]

I wonder if Mashima-sensei is going on with the battle round in the next chapter(s) or if he's gonna show us some new development about Yukino being targeted by Arcadios... :/

judging by the title its still gonna be wendy

[dark angel KaRamo]

you raise a good point i also don't thing that GS magic is overall stronger then DS magic they used the same kind of spells the difference is the black color and that it's lost magic, so GS magic is black while DS magic is the natural color of the element that they control they eat the same element to restore at least haft or last than that of there magic power so why is it stronger, also Dragon Slayer are only able to eat God Slayer attacks after nullifying all of his/her own Magic, while the God Slayers' can eat Dragon Slayers' attacks with ease. i thing it's due to the fact that it's lost magic or because it may be black magic created by zeref him self.

But there is one thing that is also different between GS magic and DS magic natsu and wendy each fought a GS without being in there final DS form they didn't have there DS skin, i recall natsu fighting (Zero) and had his dragon's skin along with gold flames and with (snake) he used a dragon's roar without the fire just a roar of pure sound that was so load it knocked out (snake) for a while and when her fought (jellal) natsu ate Etherion to increase his power and again he had the dragon skin but on his face this time so natsu and wendy are not using there full potential as yet and since Wendy's magic is nullifying/empty maybe she can eat shelia magic now.

[hoeru]

you raise a good point i also don't thing that GS magic is overall stronger then DS magic they used the same kind of spells the difference is the black color and that it's lost magic,

Maybe I misunderstood you but Dragon Slayer is as lost magic as God Slayer.

judging by the title its still gonna be wendy

But the title still may change... It wouldn't be the first time if this happened.

[Ero-Sanji]

Then there is also the consideration of wendy's fight with shelia. If gods were inherently stronger than dragons then why would the fight go the way it did? Shelia eats air to replenish and heal herself so why didn't the fight go the same way and natsu's and zancrow's fight and had shelia eating wendy's attacks? Its not just that she did not eat them, wendy's attacks actually caused damage to her. Ultimately what made the difference here was not shelia having a superior element per say but rather her ability to recover herself fast (which could be because of her eating the air or because of her sky magic healing her or both). And for all we know, it is only a matter of time before wendy develops the ability to heal herself considering overall DS and GS magic is just all too similar.

Well, first of all unlike Natsu vs Zancrow, this fight was fought between two girls not so old enough to be in a fight. Therefore their fighting capacity aren't necessary the same and Shelia perhaps never thought about eating the air from Wendy's attack. Also, the only attack that actually damaged Shelia was Wendy's secret attack, one of the strongest of the air dragon slayer kind. Natsu never got the chance to land such an attack on Zancrow since he always responded with a similar and evidently stronger attack. Just look at the moment after the bellow and the roar attacks, Wendy has taken quite a punch while Shelia is unscathed.

[1337 haxor]

Well, first of all unlike Natsu vs Zancrow, this fight was fought between two girls not so old enough to be in a fight. Therefore their fighting capacity aren't necessary the same and Shelia perhaps never thought about eating the air from Wendy's attack. Also, the only attack that actually damaged Shelia was Wendy's secret attack, one of the strongest of the air dragon slayer kind. Natsu never got the chance to land such an attack on Zancrow since he always responded with a similar and evidently stronger attack. Just look at the moment after the bellow and the roar attacks, Wendy has taken quite a punch while Shelia is unscathed.

Not unscatched, she just plain regenerated.

There might be differences in abilities regarding GS given that their magic is most likely an improved copy of DS.

Zancrow had all the traits of fire DS up to eleven, he was nigh invulnerable to flames and explosions that would be otherwise fatal even to Natsu. Fire DS is heat/explosion proof and since we saw fire GS going on against basically that we can't fully conclude how resistant he is to other forms of magic.

More than that, tough, fire is a major attack magic in this manga not air like in Naruto.

The main trait of the Sky DS is healing power and the Sky GS will basically up that to eleven, they will not suddenly create the massive defensive power that fire or iron possesses.

There is even a catch as to why both Wendy and Chelia get wounded by wind attacks, their element is the sky not wind. Wind is the result of air particles moving at high speed because a force compels them to do so, sky DS magic manipulates wind by altering the atmospheric pressure around them and forcing the air particles to dislodge themselves.

Hence eating wind is not like eating sky properly, it might be a thing of experience but Natsu can eat a fast flying ball of fire because it is still fire, however, for Wendy or Chelia to eat a gust of wind it's probably like trying to catch a 50mph hot dog thrown at your face. The sky/air particles are plain to fast to be eaten.

Eating flying fast food might be beyond Wendy's and Chelia's current capabilities but they might learn how to do it when they grow up.

[Marche]

Right now I will write what I believe will happened in the next chapters.
I really don’t believe that Wendy will win, in particular if Chellia is really the source of the strange magic.
I believe this because even if Wendy would use the same trick that Natsu uses against Zancrow this time Chellia could heal herself, so she could keep to to fight.
The title for the next chapter gives me two ideas on about could ended this fight.
1) Chellia will knocking out Wendy with a fist, which is a tiny fist because her hand are small.
Perhaps she could use the wind just as a propeller, in the same way in which Natsu fought against Sabertooth’s master.
2) Even if it’s unlikely because this would be out from Wendy’s character, she could close her hands and then put its on her chest or put it in Chellia’s direction, and then she could swear to not lose, to not withdraw.

Before of this match I thought that the match would end in a draw, because so Sabertooth, Lamia Scale, the two team of Fairy Tail and Mermaid Hell would be only in 7 points,
Perhaps this could really happened if Chellia in someway will not use her real power, she will not put her real strength in her attacks.
But right now I am not so sure that the match will end in a draw, perhaps she could lose.
If this will happened then the tag team will win in the 4th day. But if it will be I don’t think that they will fight against the team B.
Anyways right now Wendy has been able to master only one spell of the two that Grandine left her, which is it an attack.
But I believe that in the fourth day and even in the other two days where there will not be any tournament (even if it’s not confirmed I believe that this will happened) she will be able to master even the second spell, which is believe that is a defensive spell (it could create a barrier) or most likely an healing spell, after master it she could be able to heal herself just like Chellia.
Then she will fight again Chellia and she would win or draw but with Chellia that would use her real power.

Anyways I don’t believe that Chellia is evil, I believe that Crime Sorciere felt Zereff magic because she uses a lost magic, and that all lost magic (perhaps except for dragonslayer magic) transmit the same sensation, in fact just as Urtear said here http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/263/17.
But in this same page they say than that magic had an “evil presence” in it, so perhaps Aracadia could use indirectly Chellia for his plan (in someway he could use her as coverage).
For example if someone would detect the strange magical power, after seeing Chellia he could believe that she is the source of that magical power, and then leave it (I said this but in the truth I don’t believe that Crime Sorciere would leave the town, I believe in fact that they would at least stay for support Fairy Tail).

As I already I don’t think that Chelia is connected to Zereff and that she is evil, but I must admit that there are two strange things.
The first is that Sherry’s family should have killed by Deliora and the second is it strange that none (except for the members of her guild) knew Chellia’s power, even if she had already participated in the previous tournements,
But perhaps “family” could means only her parents, and beside the fact that the audience were all surprised by Chellia’s power is because in the previous tournament she did not use her real power, she hold back (I believe this by what Jura says at the end of the chapter).
Anyways if I am wrong I believe that Chellia’s true evil intentions will be discovered at the 7th day.

There is even the possibilities that Fairy Tail will ask about Chellia power to Jura or Lyon, and they will say it.
But actually I would like if in someway (because this will be Lyon’s condition or if this will be decided by Fairy Tail itself) Lluvia and Lyon would have an appointment and then Gray will spy them, directly (following secretly them, just Lluvia does always with Gray) or using Urtear magical ball.

[Ero-Sanji]

Not unscatched, she just plain regenerated.

Look at the clothes: http://mangastream.com/read/fairy_tail/43592359/15
Wendy got damaged, Shelia didn't. It wasn't until Wendy's secret tech that Shelia got hurt which was proved by the bruises and the torn clothes.

[Sollum]

Where was it ever stated that the God Slayer didn't have just as much magic reserve than Dragon Slayer?
Until proven otherwise, the God Slayer are stronger than Dragon Slayer.

Is it because you say so or there's some sort of law on that matter? o.O

I don't know... when Zancrow ate Natsu's flame, he was as strong as before.
When Natsu ate Zancrows flame, he owned Zancrow big time.

Which pretty much translates into the idea of Zancrow being at 100% all time, whereas Natsu can achieve 100% only on certain occasions... and only then WTFPWN everything.

[thousandIN1]

regarding the odd number of teams now, imo either the council will let another team take the place for RT, but that seems farfetched. or they'll let RT participate in the tournament still, though they'll be under strict watch and the council will choose which RT member goes out. after the competition/battle is over they'll go back to their cell.

on a side note:if they have a omake about the GMT then i'd like to see old characters be show cased; oracion seis, grimoir heart, phantom lord, etc

regarding wendy vs chelia, this battle end in a draw or in chelia's favor. and also she called her guild master grandma. not sure if they are related or just a form a speech or something

[THM Nindo]

Is it because you say so or there's some sort of law on that matter? o.O

Well, maybe I'm wrong.
But I was under the impression that God Slayer were clearly said to be stronger than Dragon Slayer.

Wasn't Zancrow laughing at Natsu for only being trained by a Dragon whereas he was trained by a "God".

I understand that they clearly weren't trained by Gods for real, though...