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Translations: Gintama 506 (2)
- Ishida makes sense because he's a Quincy, and Opie spoke of him as if he should be even more powerful. Or it could be his father instead.
- Grimmjow makes sense because he doesn't have a Bankai that can be stolen, and he is the only known Espada left that's roaming free. And he's had a power-up no doubt.
- Tsukishima, not only is his Book of the End very dangerous in battle, but with one stab/cut he can insert himself to gain intel about the Vandenreich.
Not only that, but he could likely turn Quincy to his side.
If he's not a special war potential, I'll be kinda surprised.
- Ginjo is also a possibility considering his hybrid status, though I doubt it.
Last edited by Notak; March 07, 2013 at 07:16 AM.
Aizen Aizen Aizen Aizen and Aizen!!! ...........+ Ichigo
The thing I'm more curious about when it comes to the Vandenreich is how the hell they have so much intel on everything that is going on, or has been going on in Soul Society for the past 1000 years? They seem to know everything about everybody. Has this been explained at all?
I would argue it has something to do with the shadows they use to move around. Quincy can move around with those virtually anywhere and at large undetected by SS. It is not that weird that they would be able to spy on SS without anyone noticing. There is also the relationship the quincy have with good old aizen. For all we know aizen sold vandenreich information on SS.
The true 5 potentials:
Ichigo - da boss
Aizen - shinigami
Ishida - quincy
Tsukishima - human
Grimmjow - hollow
I don't think tsukishima is good enough to be a war potential on any front. Even as dangerous as his ability is it is not infallible. Take byakuya for instance. Tsukishima inserted himself into byakuya's memories turning into someone who had been there always. That is easily over 110 years. Even then, byakuya remorselessly killed tsukishima simply because tsukishima was ichigo's enemy. The whole thing is even disturbing to some extent, byakuya being cold hearted enough someone who had been there ALWAYS, no exception. Now, why would the ability be so dangerous to vandenreich? Juhabach is essentially a good to the quincy, how many of them would betray him for a mere human? Tsukishima's greatest assets is to turn your allies and own memories against you and neither of them is likely against juhabach. As for war potentials I would argue the following:
3.- Urahara. Not because of his power but his intellect. If someone can come up with a counter to quincy techniques it is him.
4.- Ishin. Powerful guy, enough to be a match for aizen even though the current timeline suggests ishin was also under the effect of KS (everyone in SS was under the effect of KS and ishin was a captain while aizen also was). I guess it is possible ishin was not under the illusion for whatever reason but even then he would be pretty powerful.
5.- Aizen or shunsui. I am iffy about aizen being a war potential honestly. He was called something like that but juhabach left him to rot there and there was never any chance of SS releasing him to fight alongside shinigami. Shunsui as expected by readers was made the new captain commander. Juhabach went to SS with the sole and unique purpose of killing yamamoto to the point where he lost 5 or 6 stern ritern and did not give a damn about it. If juhabach planned on leaving once yamamoto was dead then he must have considered that by the next encounter they have with SS they will have a new captain commander and with all the information he had on SS it wouldn't have been weird if he suspected shunsui would be the captain commander. I have pointed this out before, shunsui is a damn dirty and borderline dishonorable fighter. Juhabach would have known that if he had information of shunsui. In this regard juhabach would have seen what danger there was in shunsui being the new captain commander. Shunsui as the type of fighter he is taking decisions for SS not to protect its honor and whatnot but rather to SURVIVE AT ALL COST is something that could make a huge difference in the war. It is precisely that sort of attitude which he feared from yamamoto in the past and which he berated him for not having now. And what was shunsui's first move as captain commander? Without an ounce of remorse he sent unohana to die like a worthless sick dog in the deepest darkest pit in SS. The result? SS got a full powered kenpachi capable of defeating bankai unohana easily. To boot the very power that defeated unohana easily is potentially just a fraction of what kenpachi is now capable of as after easily defeating unohana he finally learned the name of his sword. Of course, it is entirely possible unohana actually survived in which case shunsui sent unohana to die in the deepest darkest pit in SS and in return got two full powered kenpachis. Or perhaps unohana survived but she is no longer capable of fighting which still means shunsui ended on the plus side of the gamble as they at least kept a powerful healer instead.
Anyways, my point is that shunsui is worth fearing and it is very possible juhabach was aware of that.
Well crap, I really seem to be the only one seeing Ururu as Potential.
That power is still a mystery to me especially when she isn't even awake but sleepwalking.
I mean freaking hell, she dominated this guy, a Fraccion who is quite high ranked.
I dunno about you's but IMO she certainly does have enormous fighting potential.
Last edited by Beatrice; March 14, 2013 at 05:19 PM.
As much as I like Kyoraku, I don't see him as one of the war potentials. The reason behind that is that, although we have yet to see his bankai (which I have high hopes for), he seems to be a pure-blooded Shinigami in every sense of the term. For that reason, I think his bankai can be stolen just as easily as Yamamoto's was. Instead, I'd suggest Grimmjow is the 5th war potential (I think it's clear at this point that he was the one in HM with Urahara and co.). The reason for that is that Grimmjow seems to have become Ichigo's main rival. Following Ichigo's extreme power boost since they last fought, Grimmjow must have received something similar. My guess is that he can also use the 2nd form like Ulquiorra used. I also find it interesting that they managed to catch Hallibel, but not Grimmjow.
Well, none of the reasons I gave for shunsui being a war potential had anything to do with power. To be fair if it was only power then even kenpachi has nothing to do as a war potential and urahara is perhaps the single weakest fighter among the people I suggested. I suggested shunsui might be a war potential because it is plausible juhabach might have seen in him a man capable of turning the gotei 13 around, not because shunsui would last a fraction of a microsecond against jugabach bankai or not. Its not about shunsui being powerful, its about his leadership causing that huge an impact among the 13 squads.
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As for grimmjow... I am the first to believe he grew stronger during the timeskip however I don't think that alone would make him that much of a threat. Ichigo is at any random time a moment away from turning into a god among ants, urahara has unmatched intellect and the technical know how to apply it, kenpachi is unfathomably powerful to the point where he far exceeds a standard bankai with no technique or special skills, ishin is still a wildcard although he has shown power and perhaps has intel on vandenreich thanks to his relation with masaki and ryuken... nothing grimmjow can ever show can match any of that. Even if segunda etapa is an arrancar bankai and grimmjow got it that is still the limit of his power. As for why he didn't get caught, it would be simply because he wasn't at las noches when the quincy invaded. Harribel became the queen of HM and took leadership of the arrancar there, she was always the one more easily found. Grimmjow not being at las noches is more than enough for him to never be found.
Similarly, Urahara is a cunning fighter. Even Aizen had troubles with handling Urahara due to his ability to be a few steps ahead of the opponent, and combine his Shikai with Kido to do some serious combos. The Sternritters have no way of containing his fighting strengths and I'm sure he could beat some Sternritters with ease.
Isshin was capable of fighting Shinigami Aizen to exhaustion, something which the whole of Gotei 13 were incapable of. Sure, unlike them, he wasn't under the hypnosis of Kyoka Suigetsu, but based on what Gin said, the most fearful thing about Aizen is his immense battle capabilities. Isshing seemed to have no problems with fighting on par with him, even without using shikai, or bankai. I think this last point is important. Thus, he, just like Urahara and Zaraki, has the potential to fight (and overwhelm) Sternritters without giving them a chance to contain his abilities.
However, I have now realised that I'm wrong in excluding Kyoraku from this bunch. He was capable of beating Espada no. 1 with simply using his Shikai. I'm pretty sure that he's the strongest captain amongst the Gotei 13, and with his unique Shikai, he could probably kick some ass. Furthermore, as you've mentioned, his way of thinking is tough to beat in a battle because he always seems willing to sacrifice some people. Like you said, he was willing to sacrifice Unohana to power up Zaraki. Also, when the captains got their bankai stolen, he simply said that some people had to be sacrificed to get information. Finally, he doesn't seem to care about honour in battle and doesn't mind fighting dirty, unlike Division 11 for example. So, in short, he could very well be one of the war potentials.
As for Grimmjow, I don't think we can rule him out so fast. Even if he might not be a war potential, he could still be an important wildcard. The Vandenreich might not be aware of his existence, which would explain his exclusion from the list. Furthermore, he was able to cut Kirge in half with one blow only. Seeing as he still had his sword, he was not in any resureccion form. I think he's a whole lot stronger compared to the last time we saw him. Generally, it seems like characters who come back from the verge of death receive a huge boost in power. Grimmjow should be no exception.
Last edited by Azuma; March 15, 2013 at 02:58 AM.
1. It was Isshin+Yoruichi+Urahara, a deadly combo if they work together well, if you ask me - and they did, Isshin and Yoruichi continuously attacking and Urahara in a more support-like position. Isshin wasn't alone.
2. When Aizen took down the Gotei, they were already exhausted from fighting Espada. They were most likely just putting up a tough front, but actually desperately looking for a moment of relief in the midst of a contiguous streak of battles. Plus, they were demoralized after Aizen pretty much made them attack each other instead of him. No wonder those that were still standing went down with a single blow.
3. I guess Aizen was partly in the same situation when fighting Isshin, already after a few battles, the most significant of which being the one against Yama. That's why he didn't bother seriously fighting back or KSing them... he knew that Hougyoku would help him, anyway.
The main point here is that Isshin's battle capabilities are still unknown - we've seen too little so far to know if he's a senior captain level or just an average one.
http://www.mangareader.net/94-50586-...apter-400.html. That's why I said "Shinigami Aizen". Neither Urahara nor Yoruichi joined in before Aizen started transforming. So no, I'm not forgetting anything.
3. That is merely a guess and most likely not even true. The Hogyoku gave Aizen high-speed regeneration, as seen when Ichigo cut him and his wound healed. He seemed perfectly fine at the start of the fight with Isshin. There was no indication whatsoever that he was fatigued.
Isshin is most definitely not just an average captain. Average captains, to me, are like Soifon, Tousen (pre-hollowification) and Komamura. Both were easily defeated by Aizen, with the latter even using his bankai. Isshin didn't even use Shikai and managed to gain a clear upper hand.
Well, shunsui did not win against starrk completely alone. He only got an upper hand on starrk when he managed to sneak up on him and stab him on the heart with one of his games. Before that shunsui could not even keep the fight in melee range. Shunsui is strong for doing what he did to starrk but by no means did he win alone.