Bleach 498 Discussion

[toussaintac]

I just confused with something, is it Ichigo in shikai mode or bankai mode in this chapter? Becoz if im not mistaken the design is different when he fought Ginjo before (http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/475/8). But in this chapter ( http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/498/16 ) is different, is you guys notice it or im missing some info here?

Interesting. maybe he was using a weaker form of bankai? I have no idea.

[Curtarc]

This arc is starting to pick up the pace! Seems like there's more to the Bankais than we thought and that may be the reason why the Quincy want to steal every Bankai possible, it really doesn't seem like they just want to steal it because they are afraid of it. And this "Ichigo being immune to Bankai stealing" really keeps me wondering if the real reason why his Bankai can't be stolen is simply because "he's that special" or if there's some other factor we don't know yet .

[lionheart555]

I just confused with something, is it Ichigo in shikai mode or bankai mode in this chapter? Becoz if im not mistaken the design is different when he fought Ginjo before (http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/475/8). But in this chapter ( http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/498/16 ) is different, is you guys notice it or im missing some info here?

He's in bankai. Hence Kirge whining he can't seal it, lol.

On the chapter

Urahara - clutch man again. I'm not sure I really like the way this turns out. I prefer Ichigo to chop up his enemies a bit more although it was nice to see that Ichigo had the upper hand the entire time. I wonder why Urahara is so keen to stay OUT of Soul Society as well as out of the fight. Once again though, we get a glimpse into his intellect and fighting ability.

I see Ichigo storming in and surprising the Stern Ritter guys now with his unsealable bankai. He may start destroying the sealing devices allowing some of the captains to start fighting back. Or we may see that some of the captains themselves have abilities that prevent their bankais from being sealed. Vizards not included. Should be entertaining from here out though.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

hes in bankai, i think the designs been tweaked to get rid of the whole checkered shirt thing he had goin in the Ginjo fight or kubo forgot and drew the old bankai jacket instead lol

[EnvyOS]

Ichigo is indeed strong, but you are hyping him up too much.
I really doubt that his shikai is capable of beating any captain in bankai....

I think you may want to reread what he wrote. He's downplaying Ichigo's Ban/Shi-kai.

[NAM61]

ginjou said that adding fullbringer to his shinigami powers would make ichigo transcend the shinigami powers or what ever ichigo probably is way different know then other captains maybe this is the reason why he cant have his bankai sealed. the fullbring added to the shinigami powers makes him to strong for the medallion.

[SaitoSpike]

THAT was a badass Chapter!!! as good as i've seen in bleach in a while, amazing battle-pace-to-info!!! well done Kubo

well at least i kno and am glad now i was wrong about him being out of bankai so it definetly cant get sealed...this is interesting!

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if the Quincy fear Ichigo in only his bankai mode then they're more unprepared for him then they imagine tho, that whole lil bit was funny, and Urahara never dissapoints!

[Raizen]

This chapter focused on ichigo makes me want to repost my theory lol

My theory:

Although it is stated that a zanpaktou is part of a shinigami's soul, although in essence it is true, I believe they are ultimately divided within a shinigami. The shinigami soul is the physical side and the zanpaktou the spiritual side. Hence, it is possible to steal a shinigami's zanpaktou spirit without killing a shinigami. During battle, a shinigami uses their zanpaktou to fight, but they augment their fighting power by using their own shinigami SP. Thus, it can be assumed that if you deplete all your SP, you essentially die since the amount of SP one has equals the strength of your life.

But to my point: since a shinigami's soul and their zanpaktou are 2 halves of a whole, in order for the shinigamis to regain their zanpaktou spirit, they somehow have to call out to their zanpaktou. It fits in with a common manga theme, where someone loses all hopes and they retreat deep inside their own mind. The only way to save them is to have their closest friends and family reach out to them and pull them from the depths of the abyss. In the case, the hopeless soul is the zanpaktou spirit and the one calling out to them is the shinigamis. In order to "wake" their zanpaktou spirits, the shinigamis have to reach a new level of communication. It is then up to the spirit to forcibly break the seal of the quincys from inside-out.

Now, what is going to stop the quincies from stealing the spirits again? Well this goes back to my theory that although the shinigami's soul and zanpaktou spirit are part of each other, they are technically not one entity. Thus, the only way to prevent the stealing of their shinigami spirit is for the shinigami soul and the zanpaktou soul to complete merge as one! Now that the shinigami and zanpaktou has reached a new level of intimacy, they can achieve that. Ichigo accomplised this when he reached dangai mode. This is what I believe the author will ultimately achieve by the end of the manga.

Please tell me your thoughts

[SaitoSpike]

Wow, looks good, Urahara is the "smartest" again and if he "oneshoted" that guy with kidou, then Byakuya shall be just allright)

i dont put Byakuya at the same level as Urahara ESPEICALLY if we're talkin about Kidou, this is a mid level guy who hasnt realized his full potential vs a guy (Urahara) who CREATES Kidou techniques....so what he can do does not equate to what Byakuya can do imo

[dopeycheese]

I just confused with something, is it Ichigo in shikai mode or bankai mode in this chapter? Becoz if im not mistaken the design is different when he fought Ginjo before (http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/475/8). But in this chapter ( http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/498/16 ) is different, is you guys notice it or im missing some info here?

I din notice at all, sharp eyes there.
Im too lazy to check previous chapters whether he missed out those details

[Raizen]

I think you may want to reread what he wrote. He's downplaying Ichigo's Ban/Shi-kai.

No. Jorge is saying that ichigo in shikai is already stronger than some captains in bankai TOGETHER. Which leads to his point that because the quincy captain can fight ichigo in shikai and make him release bankai, that the quincy captain is indeed stronger than some captains in bankai.

You should be the one reading it again

[SaitoSpike]

I think this has been stated before, but I think the reason that they can't seal Ichigo's bankai is this:
While most bankai are excretions of reiastu (ex. Konjiki Ashogi Jizo is a giant killer baby, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi are countless sword fragments, Hihio Zabimaru is a giant snake skeleton), Ichigo's bankai is unique in that it condenses reiastu, bringing the reiastu that would normally leak out of his body back in and actually utilizing it. This means that he has a higher control of his own bankai than others, which is why it cant be stolen.

interesting theory, except i dont think the King would go into SS if all it took to break his lil Medallions was good or great control of one's bankai because it seems to me Ichigo's definetly beat by the senior captains in terms of control and mastery of one's bankai....and u cant expect it to work on Yama-ji if it comes down to that, and if it cant work on Yama-ji you arent gonna win this war

so i'd say its another reason.....i'd bet on the mixture of reiatsu making it impossible for the medallion to condense his many power bases Shinigami, Hollow, Fullbring, espeically since its not like he just switches in and out of them one at a time but rather he has always adapted them to mix together when he 'powers up'

of course it could be some other reason like his bloodline doesnt allow it or something random...

[lypse14]

I just confused with something, is it Ichigo in shikai mode or bankai mode in this chapter? Becoz if im not mistaken the design is different when he fought Ginjo before (http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/475/8). But in this chapter ( http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/498/16 ) is different, is you guys notice it or im missing some info here?

good eye, when ichigo first went bankai against kirge, he had the same design as when he fought ginjo http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/493/13...lol maybe kubo messed up

This chapter was really good, can't wait for the next one..wasn't expecting ichigo to head to SS so early though, should make things interesting.

[SaitoSpike]

For me personally, it lessens the hype for them. I'm still hoping that it was just Ichigo's opinion on the matter, and them stealing bankai is part of a larger scheme, but if it is true it just makes them seem less threatening, imo. I just don't like them having their fear introduced so early in the arc.

well we kinda already knew they had their fear even before it began, this is the effect of losing the first war...essentially no matter how badass they seemed while invading, it was always obvious (imo) that they needed an x-factor, or a trump card in order to lessen or eliminate the difference in power

what i wasnt impressed by is their final choice for what that x-factor would be, based on what we've seen from Uryu and Ryuken i figured they were too proud to use something that steals or seals anything, one would think they were as stubborn in their pride as the shinigami are...so its kinda surprising they have such an under-handed type of technique, but i guess u gotta do what u gotta do

[ThaGreatOne]

Urahara is a BOSS again great chapter. Things are really gonna get interesting which Ichigio shows up. Wonder why Urahara wants to stay out of the battle so much. Hopefully we learn alot more about urahara in this arc