Bleach 498 Discussion

[Logical]

I just confused with something, is it Ichigo in shikai mode or bankai mode in this chapter? Becoz if im not mistaken the design is different when he fought Ginjo before (http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/475/8). But in this chapter ( http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/498/16 ) is different, is you guys notice it or im missing some info here?

Woahh wth o.O in Chapter 498 his bankai looks familiar to his old bankai... I actually liked his new bankai look. Anyone know what's up here? It's possible that he looked like that because it was his first time using bankai after getting his powers back thus making him fully charged or something. Dunno

[daman246]

This Chapter ichigo showed a little of aizens mind fkc. But ichigo was clearly wrong about them sealing Bankai,

[FetherMan]

great chapter this week. i'm pretty sure though, more Captains will be shown fighting before Ichigo even shows up to Soul Society. Plus, Urahara may know something about the Quincy that could give Ichigo an advantage here.

[Fuell]

One of the things I'm very curious about, is if the SR can seal multiple Bankais with a single medallion. This jumped out at me when Renji was about to Bankai and Byakuya stopped him. The SR know their are 13 captains and few shinigami other than captains can do Bankai. They seem to have sent enough to 1 vs 1 each of the Bankai users. Though, they should simply carry more medallions... So who knows.

I'm also curious why so many think that Bankai are needed to beat these SR. Byakuya looked like he put the fear of god into one of them when he busted up his/her arm with Senbonsakura in Shikai. Though this could merely be that the SR didn't have the defensive Blut up, who knows.

So many questions.

I'm also curious to see more Volsta... "True Holy Forms" and see their limitations. It seems Kirge was burning off a lot of the reitsu he stole when you compare his form after absorbing Ayon to later in the fight when he got sniped by Kisuke. It seems there are other limitations than simply the time needed to switch from defense to offensive states. As Quincy don't emit their own riatsu, or very little, they fight by gathering and using external power. So they may also be required to stop to absorb more to maintain their Holy Forms.

So... so many questions...

Edit> Perhaps they have a limit as I'm saying and the stealing of the Bankai is to strengthen and maintain this form, and possibly even remove the limiting factors or having to use either defense or offensive roles alternatively. Just thought I'd throw that idea out there.

[chess4]

great chapter.......man i just wish bleach would have been like this through out. this arc kinnda remind me of the rescue rukia arc

[Smerten]

Sigh... people, this isn't DBZ. The only bit of DBZ-ness in the series was Ichigo and Aizen. So please, for the love of all that is good and holy, stop thinking in absolutes. It would be ridiculous for any opponent, that would include Quincy, NOT to fear Bankai as a legitimate threat. I mean, come on. It surprises me to see people think: A is stronger, so therefore A should beat B completely senseless. Was the same with the Vasto Lorde matter. As Hitsu "bluntly put", their combat abilities tended to exceed those of the average Captain class fighter. That does not mean that a captain would lose with dead certainty. It just means they are very tough opponents.

Same story this arc. It's obvious that those Sternritter are captain class fighters. But come on, they can't be so strong that a captain's strength is insignificant. Otherwise they wouldn't go to the trouble of stealing Bankai. That means they are a legitimate threat, because equals (as the name implies) are legitimate threats to one another. The fight could go either way. So, in order to tip the scales in your favor, you can 1: put yourself at an advantage (i.e. Bankai and Volstandig), 2: put your opponent at a disadvantage (i.e. rendering their greatest weapon useless), or 3: Both (like what the Quincy do).
So basically, the Quincy had the possibility of gaining an insane advantage against equal opponents, the opponents showed an opening, they exploited it. It's common sense to practically ensure victory in an otherwise uncertain battle.

[NAM61]

i think ichigo will face the blond quincy he did not go fight one of the captains. ichigo always has a rival in the arcs and i think the blond guy will be the one to face him

[Sky Render]

Kubo, stop trying to make Tensa Zangetsu's speed relevant. No one's buying it anymore.

[Aikidoka]

Love that this arc is moving forward so quickly, it's a lot better than the previous couple arcs IMO...love the mention of Ichigo's superspeed by Kirge, it seemed to have been forgotten in the whole Arrancar saga (Grimmjow and Ulq made no mention of it IIRC). Glad to see that's still one of Ichigo's main "skills". It's also interesting to see Akon being given the spotlight...eagerly anticipating the next chapter.

[daman246]

I believe Ichigo can still go "dangai" any time he wants, because I too think that was a level AFTER bankai, and I don't see why Ichigo should have lost the relationship he had with Zangetsu now that he regained his powers (that relationship was the core behind his new power). So... yes, Ichigo can still do more than his current bankai, not counting he can probably wears his mask again and go Vizard as well.

Ichigo Dangai is not a lvl above Bankai is just his true strenght after mastering his bankai/hollow Powers, the training ichigo went through in the hyperbolic time chamber has been done by every captain besides Kenpachi to master their bankai. FGT on the other hand is a isshin/Ichigo Zanpaktu Special ability just like Byakuya senbunzakura senke and hyounrimaru skills toushiro showed against the 3rd espada.

The Form ichigo had Against aizen is probably a 2nd form of his Bankai kinda similar to what byakuyas Gotei when he faught ichgo in SS.

[Curtarc]

There are still plenty of unknowns and mysteries in the manga and some of them keep appearing with each new chapter. It seems to me that, even though this is probably the final arc, this arc could be the biggest one yet.

[Nafycuk]

Been a while since I've posted here anything. But the chapter was simply amazing. It's such a distant, almost forgotten feeling, when Ichigo really kicks. Fight against Aizen doesn't count, 'cause back then Ichigo was way too overpowered.

But now it's interesting to read Bleach again. And the feeling - "Oh, come on, I can't wait for the next chapter!" - simply priceless.

It's been bothering me for some time already. Did anyone notice the lack of classic "Pride of the Quincy" theme? Or it was was just Ishida's gimmick to piss of people? Guess not, 'cause Mayuri also complained how irritating this "I swear on the pride of the Quince bla bla bla".
These new Quincy storm-troopers behave nothing like they should. Quincy always positioned themselves as ultra-honored warriors. And there's nothing honorable in "stealing" your opponent's Ban Kai and defeating him not at his full power. Well, I guess they just realized, that there is no chance for 'em to beat Captains at their full, lol. Principles are not principle sometime

Liked the impression on the Kirge's face. I guess the line 'bout "being afraid of Ban Kai" hit the spot.
The only other reason to seal Ban Kai I can think of - in fact Quincies can actually use it after sealing against the owner. Like materializing the spirit of Zanpakutou and control it. But we've already seen materialized Zanpakutous in filler arc, so I doubt it will ever happen.

And yeah, waiting so much for Kenpachi.

- C'mon, use you Ban Kai, you coward!
- Eh? Ban Kai? What's that shit? I don't even know the name of my sword, you dambass.
- *pokerface*
- Now die.

[ceasar]

Been a while since I've posted here anything. But the chapter was simply amazing. It's such a distant, almost forgotten feeling, when Ichigo really kicks. Fight against Aizen doesn't count, 'cause back then Ichigo was way too overpowered.

But now it's interesting to read Bleach again. And the feeling - "Oh, come on, I can't wait for the next chapter!" - simply priceless.

It's been bothering me for some time already. Did anyone notice the lack of classic "Pride of the Quincy" theme? Or it was was just Ishida's gimmick to piss of people? Guess not, 'cause Mayuri also complained how irritating this "I swear on the pride of the Quince bla bla bla".
These new Quincy storm-troopers behave nothing like they should. Quincy always positioned themselves as ultra-honored warriors. And there's nothing honorable in "stealing" your opponent's Ban Kai and defeating him not at his full power. Well, I guess they just realized, that there is no chance for 'em to beat Captains at their full, lol. Principles are not principle sometime

Liked the impression on the Kirge's face. I guess the line 'bout "being afraid of Ban Kai" hit the spot.
The only other reason to seal Ban Kai I can think of - in fact Quincies can actually use it after sealing against the owner. Like materializing the spirit of Zanpakutou and control it. But we've already seen materialized Zanpakutous in filler arc, so I doubt it will ever happen.

And yeah, waiting so much for Kenpachi.

- C'mon, use you Ban Kai, you coward!
- Eh? Ban Kai? What's that shit? I don't even know the name of my sword, you dambass.
- *pokerface*
- Now die.

Yeah these quincies seem to have broken with tradition as referenced in a previous chapter when ichigo speaks of ishida's. The new quincies have gained new abilities and different beliefs in what is acceptable in battle. Ichigo is in fine form I am glad to see him control a fight rather than struggle through it. Also the fear of bankai thing was sort of explained by kirge I thought he stated that bankai's forced them to have to focus on defense to stave off significant damage and hampered their offense or was that only in regards to ichigo and his bankai speed?

[Demon]

Was thinking about this this morning on the way to work, is it possible for the Quincy to use sklaverei to absorb or even just control the captains Bankai seeing as they are spiritual bases entities? I'm guessing YES! If that's the case it will surely give the quincy the edge they need to fight against another bankai, this is just me speculating, but im pretty sure the Vizards full under the same league as Ichigo, Bankai not being able to be stolen due to the composition with hollow powers. Haribles resurrection wasn't stolen, giving me the impression that the medallion inst configured to steal hollow powers. And why didn't Orhime and Chad follow Ichigo to Soul society? Surely they can be helpful!

[Miyagi]

Quilge doesn't have the reishi absorbing disk on his head anymore, I wonder if it would give him better chances against Ichigo. He was already losing to Ayon without using the holy slave technique, it makes sense that Ichigo can defeat Quilge with ease considering that he doesn't have his greatest weapon at his disposal. Bankai generates great reiatsu output though and I'm under the impression that even holy slave technique wouldn't work as expected against such tremendous reiatsu, otherwise why would quincies try to seal/steal bankais, they could simply absorb them and win. Perhaps this is why they want to take them out of play, bankai is the only thing that can give quincies more than they can handle.