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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
So was Ichigo trying to understand his opponent again but clashing swords with him? I think that as something to do with the reason he hasn't killed him yet.
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I wouldn't get to excited over this easy victory, comparing Quirge's power to those Quincies in Soul Society may be as ridiculous as comparing that privarion Espada Dordonni's power to Ulquiorra's.
Because it doesn't make sense. Why should he hold it back? Do you understand what it means if he struggles with these people? It means one of three things:
A) You are right and he is jeopardizing the fate of the world because he didn't feel like go all out.
B) You are right and everybody in the entire manga is now a transcended being which is why he doesn't seem as strong
C) You are wrong, nobody in the show is a transcended being(save for Ichigo in the future and a select few otheres) and thats why it makes sense for him to struggle.
Which one makes sense?
Seriously, to make him possible get his powers back all the Captains (including Yama), all Vice Captains, all the Vaizards, even such Shinigami as Hanatarou, Isshin, Urahara, Tessai and Yoruichi gave him a portion of their power, so do you believe that it didn't make him as strong as he was before loosing his powers? And after getting them back he immediatly combined his Shinigami powers with Fullbring that was also around Captain level, so why do you think he isn't as strong as he was before timeskip? Even his Getsuga in Shikai state when he wasn't that serious was way bigger than it was when he used it in his Bankai + Evolved Mask, not even talking how it should be strong in his new Bankai. So I do believe that he should be at least as strong as he was before loosing his powers (not counting his FGT form, when he merged with his Zan as it is another thing).
This manga mostly doesn't make sense, especially it's not logical to try to understand Ginjou and don't go all out frrom the start on him as when he went Bankai he practically one-shotted evolved Ginjou and the same was with Kirge, the guy who was clearly above evolved Ginjou and it seemed that Ginjou could have easily taken at least Hitsugay or Byakuya.
And yes it seems that Ichigo holded back as well hear. Even though it might not have sense.
And yes it doesn't make sense for Ichigo to not ask anything from his father about his previous life, about himself, about their mother, about why Isshin isn't in SS. You can't apply l;ogic to Bleach. It's an art.
Wow, looks good, Urahara is the "smartest" again and if he "oneshoted" that guy with kidou, then Byakuya shall be just allright)
@Jorge D. Dragon
Nobody is debating that Ichigo has a lot of spiritual pressure. He has more than anybody, that much is true, but they were only restoring his powers to around the level of when he was a vizard. He is not as strong as "Dangai Ichigo" but around the level of his old vizard self. Its not like the captains were giving them all their powers, just a portion. We don't even know how big the portion was. Maybe the reason why so many people were needed was because it wasn't that big of a portion.
Ichigo's Shikai and Bankai are stronger than what they used to be but they aren't of the transcended lvl. He is firmly around the level of Mid level captains such as Byakuya and Kenpachi now. He doesn't have to use his mask to be their equals anymore.
Ok, I won't debate with you on this. I believe we agree to dissagree, as it seems that we absolutely see the different things as I absolutely don't see how Ichigo might be on the level of Byakuya as he was stronger than him even before he trained in Dangai.
Hope in upcoming chapters we'll see some Captains fight. Hope it will be Rose as he seemed to show something interesting and we haven't seen much from him, so he might surprise us.
The fact that Ichigo isnt blowing away mountains by simple sword swings is proof enough. He wasnt even going all out with Aizen and he managed to change the landscape.
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Seriously whens the scanlation...
The main difference is that when he was fighting Aizen he was in Bankai, while now he mostly fights in Shikai and has never shown going all-ot as noone even managed to make him really serious for now. Neither Ginjou, nor Kirge.
I also believe that the form of Bankai he used in the battle against Aizen might be something like second stage of his Bankai, like Gokei to Byakuya. Also, he has Fullbring attached to his powers now and it was already at the level of a Captain, so I doubt that his own Shinigami powers merged with his won't be enough to make him as strong as he was against Aizen.
Also we should take in consideration that when he fought Aizen people didn't feel his Reiatsu, because he didn't emit it, but he strengthened his body and physical capacities to its limits with it, hence it was obvious that they didn't ffel his Reiatsu. It was explained by Aizen.
Also people don't feel Kirge's Reiatsu now, but Ichi does feel, so it should also imply that Kirge mighht also be somewhat transcendent, still Ichi easily makes a full of him after going in Bankai.
Ichigo is not in his transcendent form and doesnt seem like he will be in it for a while.
No. that was just Aizen's theory as to why he couldn't sense Ichigo's reiatsu, he assumed that he only strengthened his physical abilities by letting go of his reiatsu. In truth, Ichigo was on a higher level than Aizen, this is proved by Ichigo when he became the Getsuga and emitted black reiatsu from all over his body, yet Aizen still couldn't feel anything, even though he's able to see the black reiatsu wrapped around Ichigo.Quote:
Your second point might be right, his post dangai form(the one before becoming the getsuga) could be a third level of release, beyond bankai.