Official Godslayer vs. Dragonslayer Thread

[Boris999]

I suppose at first I was thinking, when it was first introduced, that god slayer magic was just a little plot-point to make life difficult for dragon-slayers and to wow us with a magic that looked stronger then dragon slayer magic. Back them into a corner, if you will. However, now - more and more - if feels to me as though the author wishes to make a bit more of a story out of them.

The thing is, if they are completely sepperate from dragonslayer magic it causes an unlikely side-effect of there being a magic that is technically more powerful then dragonslayer magic at its own game in a story that is practically all about how awesome dragonslayer magic is. You can argue that Natsu beat god slayer magic, but in truth the magic in itself seemed to be shown in a stronger light than dragonslayer magic. It's just natsu himself that nakama-powered his way through it with a little trick.

Now, that feels to me like there might be some sort of natural link between godslayer magic and dragon slayer magic. Or at least it feels like it would be a good story point to create one.

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Something that comes to mind, for me, is that godslayer magic could be a natural upgrade of sorts on top of dragonslayer magic. I find dragonforce mode to be a little boring, in truth and it since it has already been achieved a few times it won't add anything new in a tough situation.

So I thought, dragonslayers were meant to defeat dragons but it seems far fetched that they can do so with what they have shown so far (not to mention Zeref mentioning that Natsu isn't really at a good level yet). So perhaps dragonslayer magic is a magic that humans learn from dragons, and godslayer is a magic that humans learn without dragons - and when they are combined they achieve a level that surpasses a dragon and can reliably defeat them.

A simple way of putting it would be.

1. 1st Generation Dragonslayer/2nd Generation dragonslayer
2. 3rd generation Dragonslayer (Say Natsu with his new lightening powers.)
3. 3rd Generation Dragonslayer who has also mastered god slayer magic and combined the two(Dragon God Slayer magic?), therefore actually surpassing a dragon.

It would give Natsu is clear skill to actually spend time training, it would give a more obvious upgrade then just giving Natsu an imaginary power boost when he is in a tough spot and Natsu has already shown that it is possibly to combine dragon slayer and god slayer magic into one attack - though he stole it rather then creating his own.

Personally, while I am not sure the author would take it that way - it seems like it would be a natural direction to go. It seems a little weird to me that, for example, Natsu who is the be all and end all of fire magic in the manga will end up having any fire magic that he cannot -easily- eat.

On that note, perhaps Zeref's overwhelming power comes from the fact that he also has Black dragonslayer and Black godslayer magic combined and he is currently the only one.

Just random musings of a drunk guy just come back from a night out, but thoughts?

[kkck]

Well, my main issue with the theory is that it rejects what a god slayer magic is supposed to be. According to your theory god slayer magic would be something which can really and is meant to defeat dragons by surpassing them. Wouldn't that ultimately be just dragon slaying magic? Dragon slaying magic is meant to give the user the constitution and actual powers of a dragon to kill dragons. God slayer magic in the same way would be magic meant to give the user the constitution and power of a god in order to defeat a god. Your theory would have the implication that there are no gods which in turns implies that god slayers are not mimicking any creature in particular, they just call themselves that for the heck of it.

[Blanka]

So I was excited by theory opened, but it was a bit hard to follow.

Fire God Slayer Magic - Black, fire that can burn through other fire
Sky God Slayer Magic - Black, user can heal at near instantaneous rate
Lightning God Slayer Magic - Black, Ogra of Sabertooth most likely has this lost magic
Death God Slayer Magic - Black, Zeref has the ability of death learned from either a God or lost text

So firstly the power categories of dragons and gods are in parallel so there is most likely a poison and metal god slayer magic and whatever the two other dragon slayers have. Secondly, God slayer = Lost magic = Black = Zeref.
Working theory is that dragon magic is a magic of vitality and life, dragons can absorb the energy of their element replenishing their magic and have naturally strong constitutions making them durable and fast healing. Their will to live / emotions can enhance their magic. God slayer magic is the magic to take life by an element. Fire that will even burn up other fire. Their magic allows them to absorb life force hurt by their element making them virtually unscathed from an element match. Acnologia is a black dragon in color, but its element is unknown. It never taught a human its magic as it did not respect them. Zeref learned the God Slayer form of that magic. Black does not necessarily represent death, but in the way that dragons are tied to life, the gods are tied to anti-life.

[thousandIN1]

ok so you're saying zeref mimicked agnologia dragon slayer tech. and called it god slayer tech.
zeref(GS) = anti-life, hence the black elements
acnologia(DS) = life, vitality, endurance, etc..
this is a really great theory, i like it!!
i think you're forgetting mavis though in this equation
maybe..
mavis(DGS) = light/darkness death/life

[dark angel KaRamo]

zeref may have learned it from lost text and he just keep on developing it and they maybe more lost text and the others may have had the other GS magic on them and they were sent all over the kingdom and found by other people and only some wizard can claim it as there own not every wizard can handle GS magic i say this because zancrow Learned his from Hades so hades should have had it too but he didn't
Or maybe GS magic was created by zeref him self and it is black magic that's way it had the black color and zeref dose have lost magic and GS magic is just that so he may just be the one ho created them but DS magic is for dragon and I've seen them and GS magic are for gods but were are they
All so i've bin thinning that zeref could be a DS (Dragon Slayer) but now i'm thinning DGS (Dragon God Slayer) why that time on tenroujima when the black dragon acnologia attack fairy tail in that time natsu was asking it about igneel zeref said it's pointless acnologia doesn't talk to humans because it hates them and that had me thinning that he new alot about acnologia not to mention he new that he was coming long before he was close to the island had me to believe that zeref have learn his magic from that dragon and then maybe try to kill him to be come a true dragon slayer and failed that's why acnologia hate all human now and then he went on to develop God slayer magic one that is even stronger than DS magic but got corrupted down that line and started to develop more and more evil magic (that is just my thought tho)

[thousandIN1]

i actually think that the DS's are brothers and sisters

[Boris999]

Well, the theory itself it's just a random thought that occurred; it could be right or wrong.

The main point was to bring forth the idea that Dragonslayer magic and Godslayer magic must have some sort of storyline connection.

They are both lost magic.
They both do pretty much identical things.
This story is about dragonslayers so they are probably going to end up the 'kings' of their respective elements.

The link can be in a hundred different ways. Godslayer could just be the opposite of dragonslayer magic, or the balance.
It could be what I theorised.
It could be Zeref's corruption of the dragonslayer arts using evil magic in order to make it even more powerful.

The point being, it wasn't the theory I was trying to emphasise but the idea that the two have a connection of some sort.

[hoeru]

A theory without involving Zeref: What if the "Dragonslayers" were simply treated like "Gods" for being able to kill Dragons, and the Godslayer magic was developed to get rid of those gods?

[Jorge D. Dragon]

I agree that there should be a connection between these two types of magic as they mostly share the same moves with the exeption that the same God Slayer moves would be stronger and would be harder to eat by respective DS, so it really might happen that both types of magic are connected. And it might be that Mavis knows something about it and she might tell the mystery behind GDS magic in the upcoming chapters as it seems that she was quite surprised that Shelia knew this kind of magic.

hoeru
You might be also right on this. As the guys like Natsu and Luxus are damn powerful and they aren't even at their prime and if those like 3d generation of DS take both of their respective types of DS magic to the utmost they might really be like Gods to most of the people.

kkck
I also like your theory which if I'm not mistaken connects God Slayers to Tartaros Guild. It would be really interesting if it will occur like this and we'll see the fight between Tartaros and FT.

[hoeru]

Well, on a review... It may actually be Zeref who at least helped developing those Godslayers. It makes sense in a way as Hades and his later guild were tracing Zeref and likely stumbled across some parts of his research.

Overall, those Dragonslayer generations I, II, II and the Godslayer reminds me on Dragon Ball's Super Saiyan I stages and the Super Saiyan II in the Cell saga.

[kkck]

A theory without involving Zeref: What if the "Dragonslayers" were simply treated like "Gods" for being able to kill Dragons, and the Godslayer magic was developed to get rid of those gods?

Well, that would entail that god slayers are mimicking the constitution and powers of DS who are people who mimic the constitution and powers of dragons. Basically, the best magic to get rid of a DS is DS magic and the scenario you describe only gives DS magic another name for no good reason lol.

[hoeru]

But as a DS you'd also be in danger of being defeated by that other DS you're targeting. As Godslayer, even the mightiest DS attacks don't even do a scratch.

[XXGenesis]

When Zancrow was introduced I didn't think there was going to be another God slayer of a different element...Seems to be a mini plot going on and from what we've seen the Lost Magic itself seems more destructive or powerful than Dragon Slayer. The casters have also cast black version of the DS powers so God Slaying magic could be a type of Dark Magic....

I think it's safe to say we may be seeing more and more of God Slayers as to what exactly are they who knows right except they infer they kick bigger Hides than Dragons..Natsu was able to win by emptying his magical power and then ate his flames Makarov commented on this as it seems to be a High level risk magic technique... Wendy looks like she's gonna lose this fight but I can't hold it against her she's not a natural battle combatant..But this development of other God Slayer Affinity's is interesting and spices up FT.

[SlayerKisame]

When Zancrow was introduced I didn't think there was going to be another God slayer of a different element...

I suppose at first I was thinking, when it was first introduced, that god slayer magic was just a little plot-point to make life difficult for dragon-slayers and to wow us with a magic that looked stronger then dragon slayer magic.

Guys, I'm not sure what made you think godslayer magic was going to be a one-shot/experment. That would've been ridiculous. Were you expecting to go through the manga without ever seeing another godslayer after Zancrow? It just would've been bad writing to create a character and a Lost Magic category just to counter Natsu. I immediately thought that we were going to see many more godslayers after Zancrow and I think it's a really interesting idea. To see how it plays out and what constitutes a "god".

[kkck]

But as a DS you'd also be in danger of being defeated by that other DS you're targeting. As Godslayer, even the mightiest DS attacks don't even do a scratch.

Well, the situation between DS and GS of the same element is kinda iffy. I mean, with zancrow and natsu it was zancrow who had the overall advantage at first and it was only with a higher flame that natsu was able to win. Now, lets assume natsu and zancrow fought yet again. Would things go the same way? I doubt it, natsu already showed he could eat the god's flame and make that into his own power. Basically, the scenario of a god slayer being plain better than a DS has been removed and if anything they seem equal. With wendy and shelia we have an entirely different scenario. Wendy and shelia do exchange blows and hurt each other with their magics which is completely different from the natsu-zancrow scenario where it came to eating the others flame. Now, shelia has shown an advantage however it is not because she is immune to DS magic but rather because she can use her magic to heal herself instantly while wendy for whatever reason (which could be either an actual innability to do so or simply a lack of mastery of her magic) cannot currently do that. I guess we have to wait and see for the laxus-orga fight and see how the advantage disadvantage thing plays out.