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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
You don't have to tell me why he even started the war, that's a given, one would have to be an idiot to miss Tobi's plan, as that's what part 2 has mostly been about, capturing Naruto. However he would still need a strong enough force to keep the kages at hold and as far as we know, his pre-Yamotized Zetsu were in no way ready to hold them off, being slaughtered as we were shown. And personally, I did not wish to see all the mysteries about the past kages and strong fighters revealed on a silver platter as in this war.
Half the effort, how? How exactly would he have shown the attacks and backgrounds to so many characters without continuously showing battle after battle as in this war? Kishimoto might have planed it from the start[j/k he never ever did that], but it probably only came up with time. After Tobi he may have thought, fuck it, I will just make Kabuto another imbalanced character capable of summouning dozens of the strongest characters in the Narutoverse. => easy explanation for fan service total. :P [warning: It's just my humble and joking opinion.]
Last edited by Schabrak; June 26, 2012 at 09:40 PM.
however i do have my reason for making that guess,which is the general careless-ness in the writing of this arc. Kishimoto hurried through most of the fights, hardly put any effort in making fights unpredictable and was prone to end most of the fights with one-shot-deus-ex-machinas,which is clearly in contrast with the way he used to write upto the war.
In fact the huge number of ET is another reason which makes me suspect that it was imposed on Kishimoto by the editors. fans care about many of the side characters, who were not getting screentime...cause clearly kishimoto was finished with their stories(like team shika). however some edos were dug up just to give them some pages....while kishimoto hardly even bothered to add anything new to their characters, or even write their fights properly. Making chouji fly or revealing about gaara's mom were somethings kishimoto obviously wanted to do, but he just threw in those half-baked plans of his in this war arc...which is why we can see the lack of any significant plot relevance to those occurrences in the war arc.
So this overall half-baked manner, the attempts to finish the fights as quickly as possible without giving much care about them, edo tensei and the way it was ended by a dead guy who has little more relevance in plot any more than his huge fanbase, plus the lack of overall plot relevance to many of the events that took place in the war...makes me think that what kishimoto really wants to write about is tobi and his moon eye plan,and sasuke vs naruto...things he couldn't write before finishing this war. hence the half-assed-ness printed all over it.
Since he was not seeming to me at least,to be all that invested in writing the war...it seemed like a likely possibility that someone else was more interested in making him write it(due to wanting to please the fans and milk the series for more)...which could only be his editor.
Yes Naruto is reaching its end. Once Madara and Tobi get defeated and after the Sasuke fight (assuming Naruto lives) what's he going to do?
He's approaching Sage of Six Pathes level of power and the only of comparable strength will have been defeated. Time for the series to end.
next year the manga will end. the war isn't finished yet,and there are a lot of things toa djust before ending the story: such as flashbacks. I think the last fights will be naruto VS sasuke and naruto VS konohamaru,albeit the latter will last...2 pages? after that there will be less than 10 chapters to conclude everything,including naruto's promotion to Kage.
Kishimoto discussed his reasons for creating the war arc and introducing reanimated shinobi via Edo Tensei in his interviews with Weekly Shonen Jump Alpha.
Here, direct quotes:
Now, you may or may not agree that he accomplished what he set out for. Personally, I feel like a lot of it could've been handled better. I don't think it feels like a real war. It's more like just one giant battle. And there haven't really been any tragic casualties, at least yet. Though a lot of characters died, it was mostly off-screen and unimportant extras in the backgrounds. He also wasn't able to focus on some of the more interesting shinobi to be revived, which was a real bummer. A bigger bummer is that the anime didn't use that as an opportunity to expand the fights as filler, either.
Also, more relevant to the topic, from the same interview:
Last edited by Suzaku; June 28, 2012 at 02:21 AM.
i think the climax as of now was the pain invasion and destruction of the leaf
now the war still has potential to possibly equal the pain arc in epicness, but to this point it has not,
just my opinion
Given what I have seen in the past 40 chapters, I am less interested in the ending of Naruto as I am about the epilogue. I basically just want to see what happens to the Konoha 11, Sasuke, and the Sand Sibs in the future. I just don't care about the journey anymore.
The war had so much promise when it started. So many stories could have been told. I can't believe it turned into what it did. Very disappointing. I have to watch Rock Lee's Springtime of Youth to remind me how great the Konoha 11 are as characters.
i hate that this happens in some longer stories where the main characters get over powered and thus no one else is relevant in major battles
i was a big fan of most of them as caracters, even the most irrelevant one in tenten had her moments, i will not go as far as to say i have lost interest in the story as i think as a whole naruto has never been better, but i am sad about neji, rock lee and the others not mattering as much anymore, i really liked them as characters
Dan was resurrected for the sole purpose of mindfucking Tsunade. Did that happen? No. Hell, he even had a chance to see her. Did they even have a decent conversation once he found her? No.
Did we see Hyūga Hizashi and Hyūga Hiashi go face-to-face? No.
Did we get to see the other neglected "Konoha 11" shine? No. Ten Ten just used the mythical fan for a bit then fainted. Neji and Hinata didn't do anything. Kiba didn't do anything. Rock Lee coming and kicking Haku was promising, yet did we see him fight Haku? No. That fight would've been epic. Did we see Shino do anything at all? No. Shino has an amazing ability yet we only saw him fight Kankurou in the whole series. At least Ino showed a bit of skill with her use of her clan's technique and saving Chouji's ass. And talking about Chouji, he had the ability necessary to turn into Kokujō Tengen Myō'ō (Captain Komamura's bankai) and clean the battlefield and he only does that when a whole bunch of people have already died. I wasn't even impressed when he transformed into the winged giant. So basically the war only shone a bit on Chouji. That's it. Well, that's not true. At least Shikamaru received praise from Tobi. Epic.
Did we Kimimaru own all the samurai? No. Did we see the Seven Mist Swordsmen - the most hyped team in the history of the series, actually fight for more than a couple of panels each? No.
The war looked promising with the fight between the ambush squads, the fight between Naruto & Killer B vs. zombie Nagato & zombie Itachi, and that was pretty much it until we saw the fights between the zombie Kage and the living Kage. Then the fight between the 5 Kage and enhanced zombie Madara. But that was pretty much expected because we had to see the Kage fight at some point. Naruto vs. Tobi was to be expected but Kakashi and Gai there are pretty much superfluous. Also, Sasuke & zombie Itachi vs. Kabuto was totally rushed. Kabuto was just eliminated as a main villain.
So yeah, the war was pretty much rushed.
every ninja in the world was about to be owned by a bunch of zetsu's until naruto showed up and shadow cloned the piss out of them
the edo tensi zombies were also owning the allied shinobi's
basically naruto is even more over powered and the other shinobi are all even more insignificant including the kages
and the shinobi who were ET were hand selected by kabuto and some of the strongest shinobi in history, with the ET limitless chaakra
so it does make logical sense that the allied shinobi had their proverbial hands full with this "army" put together by tobi and kabuto
Last edited by Schabrak; July 02, 2012 at 05:14 PM.