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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
Devil Fruit. The heart symbol is her devil fruit trade mark. You can clearly see it in the eyes of her slaves and as she uses it to stone her opponents.
K-dom already covered for me on this, but I guess I need to response as well.
Vergo using a CoA imbued bamboo stick to knock out Law is by no means a argument against the heart theory. These two issues are totally unrelated. As to ur questions, the chapter was about Vergo and Doflamingo. It is to early for any other revelations.
I'm sure you understand, all these questions and points can be used against ur CoC theory as well. So not sure I understand what the point in it was. It is one thing to disagree with a theory, but another to back up with futile arguments. And I'm pretty sure you are aware of the pointlessness in these arguments.
Last edited by BlackHair; July 10, 2012 at 12:28 PM. Reason: Do not worry about your difficulties in Mathematics. I can assure you mine are still greater - Albert Einstein
His rockstar outfit and shades don't hide his corporal structure and facial features. Since Moria did not identify him as Kaido, he can't be, since Moria knows what he looks like, likely edged his mind after seeing his comrades being slaughtered in front of him and being beaten by Kaidou. That's a conclusive fact.Quote:
They do not attack, they were defending, even if they were provoking Whitebeard. And only if they have leverage like Ace, the second/third in command at that time. It wasn't the main strategy during Sengoku's time as fleet admiral. This appear to be the first of such situations since Shiki, so no, that argument crashes too.Quote:
Would Ace have died, there would have been no reason to risk his own family for an unattainable goal. Without knowledge of his death, he would likely return to his territory instead of going on a rampage.Quote:
So you come to the conclusion that your argumentation would make less sense than those two being two different people. Thanks for creating arguments against your yourself.^^.Quote:
Just in this chapter we got a confirmation that Doflamingo has an alter ego as the shadow broker Joker. Him having another alter ego, being one of the most feared and famous pirates alive would be absurb.
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Discussion seems to be getting a bit heated
Actually, when I 1st saw law grabbing his heart and falling to the ground, the 1st thought that came to mind was.... the mysterious guy must have his heart. But once he stepped into the light he didn't seem to be doing anything or making any movements to make Law feel pain. Anyways, everything's just theory till the next few chapters come out. It could be the "heart pirates" captain is missing his heart; it could be that there's some new awesome hidden haki ability yet to be revealed; or it could be some nifty devil fruit ability. I wouldn't rule out anything in the world of One Piece since Oda always finds a way to explain the most unbelievable stuff to seem logical (like how an island can float on a cloud).
I also don't think Doflamingo is Kaidou... it'd make for so many inconsistencies in the story that's been told so far. But as for the shadow picture that was shown when Garp introduced the Yonkou, well.... I don't think we could've picked out Hancock in the shadowy introduction picture of the shichibukai given by Johny & Yosaku in the Arlong Arc either; or picked out Akainu in the shadowy picture when Robin was introducing the marine admirals.
Anyways, lets hope the next chapter's spoilers come out soon and give us a few answers to quench our curiosity.
But in the first place, why does it make him a low tier by just losing to Law? Vergo beating Law was more than suspicious. Clearly Vergo has a ace on his hand. Some kind of advantages based on their past relationship. I'm still with my heart theory.
Anyway, he is definitely mid-tier right now. I don't think there is any doubt about this. Smokers loss was partly circumstanced.
Anyway, early Aohige spoilers. Unexpected, but seems to be true.
Please PM staff members if you have spoilers. Threads are open, so spoilers can be posted PLEASE RESPECT THE FORMAT
i understand your point of view, but i will try to explain why i think that Dofla and a Yonkou have got tight connections or are one and the same person.
A Yonkou is not an opponent you can hope to defeat easily - Dofla, even if he isn't a Yonkou, we have seen how strong he is (plus there is a vice admiral under his command), so the same goes for him.
So Law is at PH, without his crew, maybe without his heart (i think it's gone but even if it's hinted it's not proven yet), searching for some key. The Strawhats arrive and soon after they met Law wants to take down a yonkou together with Luffy.
That alone wouldn't trouble me, buuut......
now we know that Law was part of Doflas crew. We can tell that they don't trust each other, it's hinted that whatever Law is doing would go against Dofla's interests (Law told CC to not tell Joker (Dofla) any of this; the conversation with Vergo......).
Law doesn't look like Luffy to me, he isn't the "reckless" type but rather someone who comes up with a strategy (like the key thing).
So why does Law want to take down a yonkou when he is being watched by Dofla? Why does he go up against two big shots at the same time (without his crew!!)? If he has some unfinished business with dofla (and he certainly does or he wouldn't have been knocked down and imprisoned by Vergo). So i assume that the yonkou Law wants to take down and Dofla have some deep connection or are one and the same
About Dofla not looking like the foreshadowed Kaidou, does http://www.mangareader.net/103-2556-...apter-449.html
this guy look like moria to you?
Further, do we really know that moria knows how Kaidou looks like? Do we know anyone so far that knows what Kaidou looks like? Besides, with Doflas ability it would be easy to control someone and let him act as "him".
Next, the war. Remember when the Gorosei (not sure if that's correct) talked about Shanks and WB? If Shanks would have come along with WB, i think they would have won the war. We don't know if Shanks wanted to come but it seems like it (he arrived one day after the battle with kaidou's crew, he had a connection with ace, he wanted to save him - he even talked to whitebeard about ace and that he should call him back,.....)
so if you are well informed (like a guy with connections to G5, the upper WG, Shichibukai, the "underworld",.....), you could "try" to stop whitebeard even if you want him to go (but you want him to go down), so that Shanks has to deal with the one who "tries" to stop whitebeard.
it would just fit Dofla. He is a shichi, but has an agreement with some unknown force in the wg. G5 is under his control, and he was the one always talking about the "new era". When the shichi first met, dofla played with two marines for fun. He controlled the diamond guy of WB crew and that very same guy took a slash from hawkeye head on. So in terms of strength he could be around the admiral / yonkou levl. So why just being a "shichibukai"? Crocodile, Kuma, Moria, BB, Hancock, Jimbey - they all joined because of a certain reason and as we have seen with BB, after he got what he wanted, he gave a shi* about his title.
In my opinion DOfla's reason is to infiltrate the WG. So if you have 3 big parties and you want to have the information of all three or even work for all three, it's wise to use at least one (Joker) fake name, maybe more than that.
It's not like he would have to (i agree to the fact that a yonkou can do almost everything in his turf) but rather that he would want to - the goverment would never allow a Yonkou related person to be a shichi, would they? Or a shichi to be a yonkou. Or a shichi who controls the underworld. If they would there would have been no reason for crocodile to call himself mister cero or dofla calling himself joker....
We != OP characters[WG intelligence + Kadou rookie time + bounty picture + marines and pirates that have fought him]
Do you imagine Moriah not to have been present after those words? Oo
Shanks did not intend to join or win the war, it's not his fight.
I don't think anyone understimated Doflamingo, not since he showed just as much effort as Dracule did, indicating a late and strong appearance.