(BUFFED) Naruto vs. Sasuke

[jaymizzo]

It's not irrelevant, since it's establishes the difference in speed wasn't that wide. And it doesn't matter where Sasuke was looking. I provided two examples of Sasuke not looking at his opponent yet still being able to track their movements. The example with Naruto literally shows us Sasuke seeing where Naruto was gonna be even before he moved his head in that direction.

The speed difference and reaction time between Sasuke and A is clear as day. Its simply black and white, no grey area in this at all. I have no idea why you even suggest that Sasuke was remotely able to keep track or even react to A.

The Manga shows that Sasuke completely lost track of A and used Amaterasu as a countermeasure incase he appears behind him etc. Sasuke was not able to keep track or react to Raikage.

When Naruto fought Sasuke, Sasuke could still read his movements, something he did not show to be capable of against a v2 Raikage. This discussion among you lot is becoming ridiculous.

[Uchiha_Blood]

But if you're judging the cost on the amount of chakra used, then it's not merely size that would matter, but length and number of times used also. Would not say, manifesting three different Susanoo's for several minutes each would be of similar cost as a single gigantic Susanoo? And Susanoo's about four to five times the size of the user, with with the ability to grow bigger as the user wishes. The Bijuus are roughly seven or eight times as large as a person, so about was probably the wrong word to use.

True, but we know that Sasuke at his best can fight using the second version of Susano'o ( not the complete one, the one with the bow ) for roughly 5-6 minutes, using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi once before dropping to the ground exhausted, as he did against Danzou.
Even if we somehow double Sasuke's chakra reserves overnight, he can fight 10 minutes with only 2 Amaterasu and 2 Tsukuyomi with an incomplete Susano'o.
Him using Perfect Susano'o for more than a minute would leave him defenceless, and he can't defeat Naruto, buffed that much, in a minute

But we've seen an instant technique, Hiraishin and Tobi's phasing, can be activated much faster then Ee's shunshin.

They still depend on the reflexes of the user, Hiraishin and Tobi's phasing abilities aren't activated automatically

Yeah, Madara had his hand out against the FRS, but he also absorbed the chakra in the sand without it being in that direction. Activating and deactivating Susanoo wouldn't create any openings, since not only does Sasuke have the Rinnegan to defend with, he wouldn't have to deactivate all of Susanoo. He would only have to deactivate it down to a lesser version, like the Riblet version, before reactivating it to a higher version. Thus he would maintain the defense without the space taken.

When he absorbed the chakra of the sand? As I recall he couldn't absorb the water/lighting combination of Mei and A because Gaara blocked his hand.

You are right on the versatility of Susano'o, I still doubt the riblet is an effective weapon since Tsunade, being certainly weaker, or equal at best in strenght to a Sage Naruto, destroyed it pretty easily.

[Rikudou King]

Not only is Sasuke looking at Naruto in the scan you posted (even if his head is not completly turned but that is not needed for the field of vision) but that is a target slow enough for him to track before it goes behind him, Raikage would just disaper from his face. I seriously don't see how its relevant comparing those 2 things when the speed gap is so great. If you can track Hulk moving behind you it does not mean you can track Flash moving behind you. You need to use example of equal or close enough speed.

Slow? Naruto was hardly slow comparative at the time, being boosted by an upgrade, juts like Ee needed a boost to actually move faster then Sasuke. Did we not see following along when Ee moved over? And what about the speed gap with Lee, where Sasuke couldn't move at all before being hit? Would that not be "relevant" to this discussion? I'll point to Haku too. Again, the series made it clear the Sharingan could see and follow even when the user physically couldn't.

Its interesting as in ANY AND ALL times he attacked like that he NEVER PUT HIS LEG LIKE THAT. You just refuse to be wrong when even the anime showes the same damn thing.
Look at the panels above:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/14
No Amaterasu then in the middle one Amaterasu pops... He stops because he noticed the flames FFS.... The way that leg is placed is of a individual stopping his movement, he NEVER needed to stop before getting to someone even when he whent right trough it (Minato and Tobi).
He did that because if not:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/15
Read the top left panel...
He even ripped the ground up where he put his leg... Come on man seriously...

Even the anime team depicted the same exact thing i am telling you... Only after the flames pop up is when he stops himself and that never happened in any of his attacks... Its obviously a response to the flames... Well to the point he scream to don't underestimate him and trew away his hand...

But again at best you have your oppinion... I have the anime team backing my oppinion and it makes a hole lot more sense then yours. Raikage would defenetly not whant to limit his momentum to strike as hard as posible and he NEVER has in the entire manga vs ANY opponent.

And and all times? Um, that was the first and only time we saw Ee use a backhanded chop to attack. Look at the panel with his moving. He's has no way to land the attacked he was doing without colliding with Sasuke beforehand. And as mentioned before, the evidence applies to both theories. The ground being broken would also happen with Ee bracing himself. Why would Kishi not show all of Ee stopping if that was his intention, instead only showing his leg? Um, What about when Sasuke and Juugo where in Shi's genjutsu or when he preformed his Liger Bomb on Sasuke? Both times Ee stopped before attacking. Obviously we're not gonna come to the same conclusion and since it doesn't matter to the actual argument, let's just agree to disagree.

The speed difference and reaction time between Sasuke and A is clear as day. Its simply black and white, no grey area in this at all. I have no idea why you even suggest that Sasuke was remotely able to keep track or even react to A.

The Manga shows that Sasuke completely lost track of A and used Amaterasu as a countermeasure incase he appears behind him etc. Sasuke was not able to keep track or react to Raikage.

When Naruto fought Sasuke, Sasuke could still read his movements, something he did not show to be capable of against a v2 Raikage. This discussion among you lot is becoming ridiculous.

The series showed Sasuke had better reactions when he and Ee went toe to toe. And note, I also mentioned the time with Lee, which one could say was just like what happen with Ee. And Haku could be another example. The point remains that while there was a difference in physical speed, at least twice we've seen that the Sharingan was capable of keeping track of such fast targets.

If Amaterasu was merely a countermeasure incase Ee attacked, while would it be activated right when Ee prepared to attack, as oppose straight away when Sasuke would have "lost sight" of Ee?

True, but we know that Sasuke at his best can fight using the second version of Susano'o ( not the complete one, the one with the bow ) for roughly 5-6 minutes, using Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi once before dropping to the ground exhausted, as he did against Danzou.
Even if we somehow double Sasuke's chakra reserves overnight, he can fight 10 minutes with only 2 Amaterasu and 2 Tsukuyomi with an incomplete Susano'o.
Him using Perfect Susano'o for more than a minute would leave him defenceless, and he can't defeat Naruto, buffed that much, in a minute

But those examples were because of the pain issues with MS, not because of chakra issues. The "exhaustion" only affected Sasuke for a moment before he was ready to get back into the fight and he proceeded to employ Susanoo once again. From the start of the fight with Danzo, though his exchange with Kakashi, to his reunion with Naruto, Sasuke went on to employ three Susanoo's, two Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu, along with his regular arsenal without ever actually showing signs of low chakra. We recently saw Sasuke employ 7 Susanoo of various versions and time held, 4 Amaterasu, and 2 Tsukuyomi since his escape from Tobi's hideout, all but one Amaterasu and two Susanoo's in the battle with Kabuto.

They still depend on the reflexes of the user, Hiraishin and Tobi's phasing abilities aren't activated automatically

Which is my point, that we have seen that "instant" abilities can be activated within the span of Ee's shunshin.

When he absorbed the chakra of the sand? As I recall he couldn't absorb the water/lighting combination of Mei and A because Gaara blocked his hand.

You are right on the versatility of Susano'o, I still doubt the riblet is an effective weapon since Tsunade, being certainly weaker, or equal at best in strenght to a Sage Naruto, destroyed it pretty easily.

Remember, he was being held by sand on his other arm when he took the FRS.

I don't recall any impressive strength feats from Naruto to suggest that he's any stronger then Ee, much less Tsunade. But even if he is as strong, even Tsunade only cracked the riblet version of Susanoo and it took a combo from both her and Ee to break through.

[jaymizzo]

The series showed Sasuke had better reactions when he and Ee went toe to toe.

If Amaterasu was merely a countermeasure incase Ee attacked, while would it be activated right when Ee prepared to attack, as oppose straight away when Sasuke would have "lost sight" of Ee?

Im guessing your saying why would it be.
Simple explanation: Sasukes reaction was much slower than As movement. The fact that Sasuke activates not just at the moment A moves should seriously tell you what kind of reaction speed Sasuke has compared to As movement.

If Sasuke had turned around in anticipation of As appearance then it would be a testimony to the sharingans premonition ability, If Sasuke had used Amaterasu coat before or just a after A dissapeared it would be a testimony to his reaction speed.

And apparently A stopped before attacking ( i dont remember the fight quite clearly ) and if this is true then that should even lessen Sasukes reaction feat.

If you cant accept that Sasuke could not react to A, then i guess we should brace ourselves for the upcoming Sasuke is as fast as A arguments... (no disrespect...)

[Rikudou King]

Im guessing your saying why would it be.
Simple explanation: Sasukes reaction was much slower than As movement. The fact that Sasuke activates not just at the moment A moves should seriously tell you what kind of reaction speed Sasuke has compared to As movement.

If Sasuke had turned around in anticipation of As appearance then it would be a testimony to the sharingans premonition ability, If Sasuke had used Amaterasu coat before or just a after A dissapeared it would be a testimony to his reaction speed.

And apparently A stopped before attacking ( i dont remember the fight quite clearly ) and if this is true then that should even lessen Sasukes reaction feat.

If you cant accept that Sasuke could not react to A, then i guess we should brace ourselves for the upcoming Sasuke is as fast as A arguments... (no disrespect...)

The Sharingan's prediction and the ability to physically react are two different things. There's no question that Sasuke was too slow physically to defend against Ee, but we're talking about reacting with an instant technique, something we've witness happen twice before. The moment Ee appeared behind Sasuke to attack, in the span it took him to move an arm, Sasuke had coated Susanoo with Amaterasu. That pretty much suggest that Sasuke activated it in defense of that attack, as oppose to merely because Ee disappeared, which he had already reacted to moments before.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King
Yes right ... Its not like Raikage whent trough multiple people when he charged right? Like Naruto but he moved out of the way, Minato but he teleported, Tobi as he turned intangible? I seriously don't see a point with this... Again even the anime team depicts the same damn thing... HE STOPED because he noticed the amaterasu popping in his face... That was NOT done so because he did not whant to colide with Sasuke... Hell you don't even know if he would have... His body could pass right next Sasuke and only his hand would hit.

As for the other part its just a joke... Naruto compared to Raikage at full speed is a STATUE. Not even going to bother addresing that argument.

[Uchiha_Blood]

But those examples were because of the pain issues with MS, not because of chakra issues. The "exhaustion" only affected Sasuke for a moment before he was ready to get back into the fight and he proceeded to employ Susanoo once again. From the start of the fight with Danzo, though his exchange with Kakashi, to his reunion with Naruto, Sasuke went on to employ three Susanoo's, two Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu, along with his regular arsenal without ever actually showing signs of low chakra. We recently saw Sasuke employ 7 Susanoo of various versions and time held, 4 Amaterasu, and 2 Tsukuyomi since his escape from Tobi's hideout, all but one Amaterasu and two Susanoo's in the battle with Kabuto.

Don't forget Karin replenishing him, as we saw healing jutsus replenish one's chakra reserves as well, also Sasuke showed plenty of times signs of exhaustion, his chakra didn't reach zero, true, but he was pretty tired after it.
It isn't only a matter of pain.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, since I believe we had this kind of debate on countless topics lol

Which is my point, that we have seen that "instant" abilities can be activated within the span of Ee's shunshin.

Which is inferior, by far, to the speed Naruto can reach with Bijuu Mode.
Is inferior also to the speed Naruto in Chakra Mode can reach

Remember, he was being held by sand on his other arm when he took the FRS.

I don't recall any impressive strength feats from Naruto to suggest that he's any stronger then Ee, much less Tsunade. But even if he is as strong, even Tsunade only cracked the riblet version of Susanoo and it took a combo from both her and Ee to break through.

I was talking about the Gokages combinated attack, remember?
Gaara blocked Madara's arm to stop his sucking abilities, while Mei used a Water jutsu and A powered it with electricity, after which Oonoki and Tsunade used that gargantuan Jinton, destroying Madara's arm and leg in the process.

He blew a rhino in the stratosphere, same with the Kyuubi, he killed a Path with a single strike not even from a punch, but from natural energy. Tsunade's best feat against giant targets is using Gamabunta's dagger, she didn't punch Manda nor blasted him into space.
Unless Byakugou ( or is Hyakugou? ) does increase her strenght, which makes no sense since is only a regenerative ability, we can safely assume that, at worst, Sage Mode can be considered equal to Tsunade's ultra strenght

[Rikudou King]

Yes right ... Its not like Raikage whent trough multiple people when he charged right? Like Naruto but he moved out of the way, Minato but he teleported, Tobi as he turned intangible? I seriously don't see a point with this... Again even the anime team depicts the same damn thing... HE STOPED because he noticed the amaterasu popping in his face... That was NOT done so because he did not whant to colide with Sasuke... Hell you don't even know if he would have... His body could pass right next Sasuke and only his hand would hit.

As for the other part its just a joke... Naruto compared to Raikage at full speed is a STATUE. Not even going to bother addresing that argument.

Punching through someone with an outstretched arm, which is what your examples are of, and going headlong into someone with your body first are to considerably different things. And really, arguing that must be the case because "the anime shows it" is ridiculous, when there are dozens of examples of the anime changing and doing it's own thing. Anyway, I don't intend to start up this argument again.

And you do realize we're not comparing Naruto and Ee's speed here, but their speed in relation to Sasuke's, right? The difference in speed between Part 1 Sasuke and Naruto/Lee is similar to the difference in speed between Part 2 Sasuke and Ee. This is the whole point.

Don't forget Karin replenishing him, as we saw healing jutsus replenish one's chakra reserves as well, also Sasuke showed plenty of times signs of exhaustion, his chakra didn't reach zero, true, but he was pretty tired after it.
It isn't only a matter of pain.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this, since I believe we had this kind of debate on countless topics lol

She, by her own admission, only healed him a little. Exhaustion yes, but we've seen multiple times what a person looks like when they're only have a little chakra left. How wasn't it pain/blindness when he was shown fully capable of continuing on in battle? Compare him to what we've seen from Kakashi when he runs low after using his MS. And note the numerous usages of Ms techniques he did against Kabuto when he no long had to worry about the blindness.

Which is inferior, by far, to the speed Naruto can reach with Bijuu Mode.
Is inferior also to the speed Naruto in Chakra Mode can reach

The first can only be used within five minutes and the second is shunshin, both of which can be held out with Susanoo, Hungry Path, and/or Phasing.

I was talking about the Gokages combinated attack, remember?
Gaara blocked Madara's arm to stop his sucking abilities, while Mei used a Water jutsu and A powered it with electricity, after which Oonoki and Tsunade used that gargantuan Jinton, destroying Madara's arm and leg in the process.

He blew a rhino in the stratosphere, same with the Kyuubi, he killed a Path with a single strike not even from a punch, but from natural energy. Tsunade's best feat against giant targets is using Gamabunta's dagger, she didn't punch Manda nor blasted him into space.
Unless Byakugou ( or is Hyakugou? ) does increase her strenght, which makes no sense since is only a regenerative ability, we can safely assume that, at worst, Sage Mode can be considered equal to Tsunade's ultra strenght

Gaara's actions didn't prevent Madara from being like to use his absorbing ability, which is why they used the lightning and water combo in the event that he absorbed the sand.

Both those times Naruto threw the object after some effort and Hungry Path died due to where Naruto had punched him, not merely because Naruto punched him. The other Paths were punched and kicked without any averse effects which a punch from Ee and Tsunade has been shown capable of tearing a hole through a person with little trouble. So I don't see them being even, but even presuming they were, that still means damaging the riblet version at best.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King

Punching through someone with an outstretched arm, which is what your examples are of, and going headlong into someone with your body first are to considerably different things. And really, arguing that must be the case because "the anime shows it" is ridiculous, when there are dozens of examples of the anime changing and doing it's own thing. Anyway, I don't intend to start up this argument again.

Oh no, no, no... The manga showes the exact thing.. I use the anime to show you that you are just about the only one to see it this way...

And you do realize we're not comparing Naruto and Ee's speed here, but their speed in relation to Sasuke's, right? The difference in speed between Part 1 Sasuke and Naruto/Lee is similar to the difference in speed between Part 2 Sasuke and Ee. This is the whole point.

Then you are doing it wrong... Its irrelevant Sasuke's speed and what not... ITS ABOUT THE EYES... Back then he had 3 tomoe just like now... How he could see then he can see now... This is not about how fast Sasuke can move his limbs to counter Raikage as we know that.. He is a statue... It was the power of the eyes to track a target and that is identical to how it was in part 1.

Sasuke's eyes that reacted to Naruto back then and the ones doing it now to Raikage are the same.

[Rikudou King]

Oh no, no, no... The manga showes the exact thing.. I use the anime to show you that you are just about the only one to see it this way...

The manga shows Ee setting his leg down and then skips to him knocking Sasuke back. Anime shows Ee setting his leg down, then outright stopping and standing, before he attacks. If the anime didn't have a history of adding in their own scenes...

Then you are doing it wrong... Its irrelevant Sasuke's speed and what not... ITS ABOUT THE EYES... Back then he had 3 tomoe just like now... How he could see then he can see now... This is not about how fast Sasuke can move his limbs to counter Raikage as we know that.. He is a statue... It was the power of the eyes to track a target and that is identical to how it was in part 1.

Sasuke's eyes that reacted to Naruto back then and the ones doing it now to Raikage are the same.

I am talking about his eyes, I've been doing that this whole time. Once again, no matter the difference in speed, the Sharingan still predicts the movement. The difference in speed only affects how the user can physically react, as shown with the examples of Naruto and Lee. Naruto could see everything, despite not being fully capable of moving as fast. But as shown with Ee, Sasuke no longer has to physically be capable of reacting as he now has to means to defend in an instant, which allows him to make use of his prediction ability straight away.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King

The diference is 1 had to animate what happened there... Raikage stomping like that is him stoping. Your idea that he had to brace himself or impact Sasuke makes no sense... Care to provide another instance when this happened in like this entire manga? Its damn obvious he stopped as he noticed the Amaterasu popping in his face.

As for the second part you are again using Sasuke keep track of slow as hell targets (compared to Raikage) to validate that point.
So let me ask you again where is the event where Sasuke showed to be able to track a target as fast as Raikage with his eyes (full speed of course). Minato himself and only noticed him when he was 1 cm from his face and that was a frontal attack, Raikage when behind Sasuke's back for a reason... He knew Sasuke can't see behind his head... That is why he used a 360 degree defence as he had no bloody idea where Raikage is going to strike from. Only when Raikage slams his feet into the ground to stop is when you see Sasuke noticing him.

[Rikudou King]

The diference is 1 had to animate what happened there... Raikage stomping like that is him stoping. Your idea that he had to brace himself or impact Sasuke makes no sense... Care to provide another instance when this happened in like this entire manga? Its damn obvious he stopped as he noticed the Amaterasu popping in his face.

As for the second part you are again using Sasuke keep track of slow as hell targets (compared to Raikage) to validate that point.
So let me ask you again where is the event where Sasuke showed to be able to track a target as fast as Raikage with his eyes (full speed of course). Minato himself and only noticed him when he was 1 cm from his face and that was a frontal attack, Raikage when behind Sasuke's back for a reason... He knew Sasuke can't see behind his head... That is why he used a 360 degree defence as he had no bloody idea where Raikage is going to strike from. Only when Raikage slams his feet into the ground to stop is when you see Sasuke noticing him.

You try running and attempt a backhand chop without throwing yourself forward. Considering that's the only time Ee used that technique, of course not. But can you provide an instances where Ee stopped an attack out of caution or fear? Ee, who has been shown quite rash in attacking.

The targets I'm using weren't "slow as hell" compared to Sasuke, and that's the point, he could still see them despite them being so much faster then him. Ee was faster, but the difference in speed between the two wasn't that great, otherwise Ee would have outsped Sasuke without needing max chakra and shunshin. And we've seen several examples of the Sharingan noticing action behind the users head: The incident with Lee, Sasuke fighting with Naruto on the rooftop, Itachi taking out the two clones behind himself, and blocking Sasuke's Susanoo.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King


Again and for the last time:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/14

Why is he putting his leg down only after Amaterasu pops up?

Also yes i would have no problem attaking like that and not stop from running...

Here he is doing something like that on Kabuto's pupper:
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/13

He just swiped him out of the way like nothing... Same thing he did here:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/15

No stopping...

Now Raikage is a charging imbecile but i am sure he would not do stuff that would be bad for him... In this instance he was just to full of reveange...

Its clear as day...
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/14

Raikage charges, flames pop up, Raikage notices them and stops, Karin even states that is what is happening, Raikage deciding to trow away his hand by stating "don't underestimate me".
Same thing showed by the anime... Again why do you think that leg is there after the flames pop up? Those people even had time to think about it...

Also let me tell you that if i whant to hit somebody as hard as i can i would defenetly be using my momentum and an attack like that would NOT make me hit him...
You run to him and when you hit him you will pass him by as your own hand impacting him is going to move you and him out of the way. Its like running and some dude get's in your way and you push him to the left or right.

Also yes i can't provide other instances where he stops out of fear of self preservation as he never had to after that. But you actualy think he would not? Come on... That was a special case when he belived his bro to be dead... Its understandable... He does not have a death wish.. If he could choose a path that would not get him to lose arms and his life he would do so... Of course like Minato he would give his life for the village but that is another thing.



Oh for the last time the diference in speed is IRRELEVANT... The eyes can see the same no matter what the speed gap is... The eyes that notice Naruto are the same ones working on Raikage (or actualy NOT working). Its irrelevant that the speed gap between old Naruto and Sasuke was the same with curent Sasuke and Raikage... The eyes ARE THE SAME as back then. What he could see then he can now, just because he noticed Naruto does not mean he can Raikage..

Also a sharingan does not see behind you, its about predicting where the enemy will be from the last point you did see him, the sharingan actualy helps with this but they can't see direcly the back of there head...Then you add sounds and intuition that a fighter has. Why do you thing Tobi did not see Naruto popping on his back...

[Rikudou King]

Why are you presuming Ee put his leg down in response to Amaterasu? Considering the position he was in even before it appeared, I think it's pretty obvious he was gonna put his leg down regardless of anything. Huh? His assault against Muu was completely different then the one he had been attempting to use against Sasuke. Seriously, look at the picture. Had Ee not braced himself, he would have been thrown straight forward. And again, I see no comment from Karin talking about Ee stopping.

Precisely what indication was there that he couldn't see Ee's movement, especially considering we know he was capable of doing so before Ee used shunshin. The incident with Lee, done with only two tomoes, shows that the Sharingan records regardless of the target's speed. Why would Amaterasu have been activated when Ee had just got into position to strike, instead of beforehand when he vanished if it was merely a response to that? And yes, while it can outright see behind, it allows the user to notice events behind them and in spots were they aren't looking, as shown with Lee. I don't recall when Tobi was surprised by Naruto from behind.

[xXan]

@Rikudou King

It was a response to Amaterasu as it happends on the next bloody panel and the foot is in a position that would allow 1 to stop completly... Also yes karin's worse enforce this as she she notices Raikage stoping and then she states how even if Sasuke can't follow him Raikage can't hit him... And that attack is identical...
Just look at the panels:
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/463/15
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/563/13

Same type of attack. Even his hand is oppened like a slacing move....
And again trown forword? Even if he was the slap would move Sasuke out of the way as i said before and even if it did not Raikage never had a problem with that considering the huge numbers of times when he when trough people that move out of the way...

Again, Raikage going casual mode and max speed are world appart... His max speed attack was so fast that only Minato could dodge it, nobody else (well to Naruto that replicated it).
The human ayes have a max number of "pictures" they can take in a time interval. Of course Sasuke can take more but he has to have a max. When Raikage charged he was looking in the wrong bloody way. Raikage moved behind him for a reason. After Raikage drops hi leg Sasuke looks back then.
Again he placed Amaterasu all over his Susano as a 360 degree area of effect as he could not follow Raikage...
Also no the Sharingan can spot anything behind them if they can't see there. They can deduce from the last moment they did see the target and go from there and sounds. If you can't see there you can't predict. Ninja also have sensing abilities that we do not but a sharingan can't see behing you.

Also yes my bad i meant Minato teleporting behind Tobi.