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I was more talking about the skills of Caribou, he didn't show anything worth except his Logia, Luffy wouldn't be able to hurt him, but Caribou wouldn't be able to touch Luffy either
Aren't the Yonkou there to stabilize balance between the Pirate World and World Government?. Beforehand, Roger ruled the entire Pirate World and that's why, the World Government considered him the most dangerous man in the world. Or at least to their power structure.
I've heard that all the Yonkou are in a stalemate in the new world. They are equally match that they are just in a standby waiting for their enemies next moves. Maybe some Yonkou doesn't really want the One Piece and they have a different agenda. Like White Beard he only want a family and DoFlamingo want to get rich by establishing business all over the grandline. So if there is a new King of the Pirate then there will surely be Yonkou's to battle with.
I think that the Yonko have probably always existed in one form or another, probably taking on different names and forms throughout time. While the PK on the other hand has been a pirate that doesn't necessarily seem to care about maintaining a balance/peace or amassing power anywhere near as much as he does about "conquering" everything there is on the sea. Sure if along the way to accomplishing his journey of traveling across the world and taking on any and all challenges he does end up creating or help create a balance and amass power then so be it, however that isn't the ultimate goal.
Regardless of what title the previous keepers of the balance have held from the side of the pirates they seem to have always existed. Otherwise i don't see why the Marines and WG would allow an entire area of the world to be completely governed by criminals who for the most part hate each other just as much if not more so then they do the WG/Marines. And if the only thing standing between the WG/Marines and "justice" prevailing over all of the seas were individual unorganized groups of pirates here and there then they would have been dealt with a long, long time ago.
Not to mention that those pirates would have probably weakened each other through aimless battles had they not cared about preserving themselves and thus the status quo. If nothing else pure self-preservation has led to pirate groups ruling over the NW which has led to the NW being governed. Keeping peace and order helps keep them safe and in position to gain power/wealth/fame etc. The system that exists in the NW which allows the Yonko to govern the NW areas is clearly complex and a lot more then just pirates planting their flags on islands and having a few allies. We've already seen glimpses of this with the underworld and brokers, and more is sure to follow as we progress into the NW.
Regarding Whitebeard, he was one of many that challenged Roger, just like Gold Lion and the Marines as well, so that doesn't exactly mean anything to discard Roger's ruling of anything.
Well, to me the shiki bit would be very revealing. I mean, shiki offered roger the chance to rule with him and roger's attitude was to decline because ruling anything would be an issue in regards to him doing what he wants. Ruling is simply something which fits what little we have seen of roger.
yes, in order to take the pirate kings position.
Yonko (Roger's Pirate King Era)
Kaido, Shiki, Whitebeard, Roger
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They allowed Sakaizuki to move to New World to compete with the Pirates. They clearly aren't cool with the issues going on in the New World.
The first time the Gorosei are seen, they are discussing the need to replace Crocodile and the current people causing trouble in the Grand Line.
They aren't as corrupt as you're making them out to be.
The decision to have Sakaizuki in New World implies they want to compete with the pirates and protect people in the New World better than before.
has anyone brought up luffy's declaration of war against big mama? or his alliance with law to take out kaidou? between these 2 actions and his seething hatred for blackbeard, its safe to say that in so becoming the pirate king, the power known as the yonko will be abolished.
This is quite a thread! The idea of it seems very open to perception too, how do you perceive the Pirate King eh?
IMO though, it looks to be like a true thing of recognition, take the ranking orders of the pirates...
Rookie - after Luffy beat Crocodile up he probably became recognised as a rookie say, because he'd initially made a name for himself that a few started to recognise.
Supernova - After Eneis Lobby he became recognised as a Supernova (or still a supernova rookie perhaps?), with his bounty and his crew put together equally a considerable amount, and of course many around the world started to notice him, especially at the summit of the war between WhiteBeard and Marines, many people supported him and fought with him, showing they recognised his strength...
Yonkou - The same must apply to becoming a Yonkou, you must be so strong, that you can command people who aren't even around you, and claim islands as your territory, and even the Government would think twice about taking this island I imagine.
Pirate King So to me the next step would be becoming above a Yonkou which would being recognised (even by the Yonkou) a step higher, the world and the yonkou would literally have to acknowledge that whoevers called the Pirate King is beyond them, and it wont be as simple as "OMG BUGGY MADE IT TO RAFTEL NOW HE MUST BE PK! LOL DERP".
Whitebeard may have been the strongest of the Yonkou 2 years ago, but had WhiteBeard tried to call himself a Pirate King, some of the other Yonkou certainly would have contested and if WhiteBeard couldn't have quell the other 3 Yonkou then he certainly couldn't truly carry the title Pirate King upon himself.
It's similar to the story of Yuan Shu in the romance of the three kingdoms, when as soon as he found the hereditary seal he tried to call himself the new Emperor, but as soon as he said that he was destroyed by the other warlords.
It's a very honorary title, but one that the world will recognise you for.
While leaving a lot open to perception this can still fit in with Luffy's/ Rogers idea of being a Pirate King, recognised by all as a king, and free to do whatever/go wherever they like.
I believe that the Yonkou can still exist even with Pirate King, but they'd have to acknowledge the Pirate Kings above them, and that they shouldn't pick a fight with him unless they want to get destroyed.
Last edited by BetaRuler; June 02, 2013 at 12:47 PM.