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View Poll Results: Is the current execution of Edo Tensei doing Justice to the previous buildup for the Jutsu?

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  • Great Buildup > Great Execution (Satisfied)

    2 16.67%
  • Great Buildup > Poor Execution (Unsatisfied)

    9 75.00%
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Thread: The Edo Tensei Thread

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    Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    With the release of Edo Tensei these past 3 weeks (3 weeks to release a single technique, oh kishi), do you think the pot Tobi has still contains Kinkaku and Ginkaku?

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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    Well, I kinda doubt that Tobi wouldn't summon the
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    if he knew they weren't there. I'm guessing that the gourd and Amber Pot prevents them from dispelling.

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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    Interesting question. I think they are still there, or at least the chakra Tobi collected from them. He does know, that ET was cancelled, so I doubt he would like to look a loser by not being able to bring out the full form. So far Tobi seems to have a plan, and even being able to react quite quickly. So I do believe, the chakra he has collected is still there. The bodies of the two is not of importance, as we have seen with Gaara. As his Biju-chakra was extracted, his body was useless like trash.
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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    yeah hyper...he's got something in those jars,because the statue's eyes opened(all of them).

    question is...how will tobi control the jyubi with 1 rinnegan?
    or better yet...can/could he control the jyubi to begin with?



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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    Obviously they're still sealed, Tobi of all people would have realized what had happened and wouldn't have bothered if it wasn't going to work. And the Gedo Statue opened all nine of its eyes.

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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    Good catch, and another convenient plot hole since, well, the other ( worthless ) Edos that were sealed with those unbreakable Fuuinjutsus are released instead.

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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    I'm curious whether the 2 Kumo ninjas (Atsui/Samui) still sealed in the gourd would affect the summoning.
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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Core Rikki View Post
    I'm curious whether the 2 Kumo ninjas (Atsui/Samui) still sealed in the gourd would affect the summoning.
    Kinkaku is sealed in the Amber Pot. Ginkaku, Atsui and Samui are sealed in the Benihisago.

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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    I don't think this should be a big discussion because they(kinkaku,ginkaku) were sealed in two of the 5 treasured tools of the sage of six paths..
    they weren't regular tools, the were tools of the god that created niinjutsu himself and was the host of the juubi..

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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    Where they are right now doesn't matter. Tobi doesn't need them, he needs the Kyuubi's chakra that they have. The statue's 9 eyes opened, so he obviously got what he needed from them. Whether their bodies are still in the pot and the sword or not doesn't matter.

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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zau View Post
    Where they are right now doesn't matter. Tobi doesn't need them, he needs the Kyuubi's chakra that they have. The statue's 9 eyes opened, so he obviously got what he needed from them. Whether their bodies are still in the pot and the sword or not doesn't matter.
    mind you, we never saw all 9 eyes open


    look closer, only 6 are clearly visible

    1's blocked partially by the sound effect and the other 2 do not have visible pupils to gauge whether open or close




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    Re: Kinkaku and Ginkaku - released by edo tensei?

    Quote Originally Posted by hyper_megaman View Post
    mind you, we never saw all 9 eyes open


    look closer, only 6 are clearly visible

    1's blocked partially by the sound effect and the other 2 do not have visible pupils to gauge whether open or close




    fall not to herd mentality and let your conclusions of observations be swayed by the words of others
    the middle eye is probably for the 9th bijuu cuz its anime law that the strongest should be in the middle =D

    and if ur not convinced
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/572/10

    left eyes 1,2,3,4 tailed bijuus and right eyes 5,6,7,8 bijuus with kurama in the middle
    Last edited by R3D; July 09, 2012 at 02:47 PM.

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    Re: Edo Tensei's drawback

    Quote Originally Posted by shinsengumi View Post
    this idea suddenly striked me and i could barely wait untill monday so hear me out ;

    kabuto said that edo tensei doesnt have any risks at all !!! to the user that is . ( for reference )

    what we already know is that edo tensei includes some sacrifical rituals , so its not illogical to assume...
    It's funny, your theory's cool and well-thought-out, so I think it's far too good to be what the author had in mind, hahaha!

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    The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    I want to explain something about the infinite chakra on edo tensei mod. Because some people misunderstand it. The infinity chakra actually is not that infinity.

    But first, let's know what the chakra is in Naruto.
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra

    It is the moulding of the physical energy (身体エネルギー, shintai enerugī) present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy (精神エネルギー, seishin enerugī) gained from exercise and experience.

    Because of the edo tensei the spirit is forced to remain in living world and the body can be healed very fast so the body can't be destroyed.

    In that case the undying spirit and body mean the infinite chakra.
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/591/17

    It's even confirmed in 591. But it's not that infinity.

    All living bodys have some chakra. For example let's soppose that Madara 100 and Konohamaru has 10 chakra and let's soppose the henge costs 5 chakra, the susanoo 50 and the tailed beast ball 500.

    Madara and Konohamaru in edo tensei mod can do infinite number of times the henge technique. Because they have strong body enough to make a techique that costs 5 chakra.

    But if Konohamaru trys to use the susanoo in edo tensei mod, he fails. His body isn't strong enough to do a techique like this but Madara is strong enough.

    If you remember Muu after dividing himself, he couldn't use the Jinton jutsu. He had the infinity chakra but his body wasn't strong enough to use that techique.

    In that case if Madara have tried to make a tailed beast ball, he would fail, too. The infinite chakra doesn't mean that everyone who is in the edo tensei mod could use all the jutsu.

    If Madara had something like this he wouldn't have needed the 10 tails. He could use the infinity tsukuyomi by himself on everyone. Madara is already able to use the infinity tsukuyomi. He used it on Obito for show but he can't use it on everyone. He is not that strong enogh.

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    Re: The Infinite Chakra on Edo Tensei mod

    For what it explains, I like what you wrote a lot. But you're only addressing the situation from a single dimension, so I went on a little spree to check what might happen if we proceed further.

    If we factor in time, those bodily capacities you've assigned now has to take into account it's exertion and recovery rates (which may happen at differing rates too) and in return determine a sort of critical exhaustion and taper off point. It was never explained at which points components start to fail while performing a jutsu. Let's assume that all observable chakra performance require 6 [units], with Rasengan and Raikiri taking 7 [units] to perform. What's the minimum exertion rate you need to maintain before the technique collapses? And at what point will each user fail under the intensity of their own technique? For example if Kakashi somehow emulated the rates at which a frenzied Naruto would've been able to process chakra while performing a Raikiri, (assuming he could) he'd probably disintegrate.

    Also more questions arise. What happens when you perform kage bunshin as a reanimated person? Then would a bigger and physically fit person become inherently able to release more chakra, given the same interval, while in this state? Mixing implies multiple constituents -- assuming Muu could've done what Naruto did with RS, would he be able to perform Jinton techs had he split the task between three of his own?

    Lastly if sealing preserves order and summation of its parts (like Kyuubi inside Naruto) couldn't Madara simply produce enough Zetsus (who'll operate in parallel) to transfer enough or some arbitarily enormous amount of chakra into the Gedo Mazo (GM) to mimic the Jūbi for this purpose. Being the most fabled member of a clan capable of casting Izanami, it should be possible for him to write instructions for GM to perform periodically and then have Zetsu install chakra rods wherever he needs them to influence people.

    Of course everything I wrote might be wrong and it's assuming that GM is intelligent (also no bugs in the system) yet extremely agreeable. The upsides of this method include:
    • He could do local tests to see if things pan out as it should before going full scale (again we're dealing with other human beings here)
    • Madara wouldn't risk internal bickering with the Jūbi (or it overwhelming him altogether)
    • His operation will continue with no supervision (should he choose to die and be resurrected later to enjoy the show)
    • He maintains freedom to micromanage (instructions in GM, amount of Zetsus operating it, chakra rod locations, etc.)
    • He could alter the next set of propagated information at any time
    • He could've achieved everything he desired underground without directly bothering another human being in existence

    p.s. I'm surprised this thread hasn't produced more discussion. Has anyone worked out an estimate of how fast chakra travels?
    Last edited by Akabeth; October 25, 2012 at 07:27 PM.
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