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Dude, a thread for making sure all the loose ends of the Naruto storyline are ultimately tied together? Yes please.
In this regularly updated thread, we shall be recording the different plot holes in Naruto and regularly recording all theories, clues, information, and basic progress that we may acquire in creeping closer towards filling in the hole. Such information will mostly be taken directly from you guys' discussion and posts. You fine people will be mostly responsible for pointing out ideas and concerns for potential plot holes, so don't be shy in feeding me suggestions.
Please note that these are all potential plot holes, meaning holes in the storyline that are in danger of never being filled in simply because they seem easily forgettable, so do not bitch about what the most strictly accurate definition of plot hole may be. The "plot holes" we will be tending to the most will be the ones that could actually manage to go unfilled without totally confusing the story. For example, we don't need to keep tags on who the leader of Akatsuki is, because he's not going to be a fuzzy silhouette forever. However, we could easily forget about Kakashi knowing Kaleidoscope Sharingan and the story could still end without any questions being raised about it.
The goal of this thread is to make sure that there is nothing that goes unexplained at the closure of the Naruto story. Because in case you haven't noticed, MOST ANIME AND MANGA HAVE TERRIBLE, HOLLOW ENDINGS. We have right to have faith that Kishi will break this curse.
I have eliminated the Bijuu Plot Hole section because I am confident that it'd be impossible for the series to end with any of the nine Bijuu and Jinchurikki going completely unmentioned. Sorry folks, but those kinda things aren't potential plot holes and this just isn't a theory discussion thread.
PLOTHOLE 0: Uzumaki Naruto's Origins
Scenario: The truth of Naruto's birth and past is extremely shady. All we know is that he was chosen by the Sandaime to host the Kyuubi at his infancy, and that the Sandaime willed him to be honored as Konoha's hero.
Questions: Um, lots. Who is Naruto? Why Naruto? Who're his parents? Who's he to the Sandaime? Just what happened on that fateful day of the Kyuubi's sealing?
Outcome a: He is the son of the Yondaime, being the most appropriate choice for a Bijuu host.
Outcome b: He is the clone of the Yondaime, somehow.
Outcome c: He is the Yondaime, and the seal jutsu required he be reborn with no memory of the event.
Status: PARTIAL RESOLVE - Itachi mentioned Naruto being "the Fourth Hokage's legacy", which could easily mean he is directly related to him somehow and wasn't just a random newborn that got screwed over. FYI, speaking of a person's "legacy" is usually going to be used in terms of genome, therefor, offspring.
Thoughts: In case you haven't noticed, this is the biggest mystery in Naruto and shall be the last thing in the storyline to be completely tied up and resolved. However, there are many sub-plot-holes under the Who is Naruto category, and we can keep track of each piece individually to make sure in the end that Naruto's origins are explained in their entirety.
[u]PLOTHOLE 1: The Uchiha Secret
Scenario: Sasuke found a secret lair underneath the Uchiha village that contained a scroll with a dark family secret on it that seemed to give him some sort of serious resolve.
Question: What did the scroll reveal?
Outcome a: It admitted the truth and specs of the Kaleidoscope Sharingan requiring the murder of a loved one.
Outcome b: Told how to acquire a higher state of the Uchiha bloodlimit.
Outcome c: Revealed the underlying and true purpose/function of the Uchiha clan.
Thoughts: This one could take a loooong time to wrap up. Probably not until Sasuke is converted from his psychosis.
[u]PLOTHOLE 2: Kakashi's Kaleidoscope Sharingan
Scenario: Kakashi developed a custom variant of a technique that Itachi claimed could only be triggered via killing "your closest friend".
Question: How did Kakashi attain this technique?
Outcome a: He was able to trigger it via resurfacing repressed guilt from feeling responsible for Obito's death.
Outcome b: He was able to trigger it the same way, but through the guilt of someone else's death.
Outcome c: Mothafugga actually killed a brotha in cold blood.
Outcome d: He somehow triggered an "anti-mangekyou" from saving a loved one.
Thoughts: My money's on Kishi not giving a damn about justifying this particular development; I'm practically anticipating his abandoning it, because it'd be so easy just to give Kakashi a new supermove and not care about the logic behind it or lack thereof. I'll be watching this plot hole like a hawk until it's nailed down on all corners.
[u]PLOTHOLE 3: Asuma's Fire Kerchief
Scenario: The piece of cloth with the fire kanji on it that Asuma had always worn around his waist is identical to the ones that the monks of the fire temple sport that were attacked by Kakuzu and Hidan.
Question: What is Asuma's connectivity with these fire monks?
Outcome a: When he was younger, he was actually a fire monk and a member of the temple.
Outcome b: He has no connection with the monks, but is a member of the 12 guardians of the Daimyo.
Thoughts: Keep in mind that Kishi has a good history of fleshing out the sidiest of his side characters. Even Gai's had tons of screen action, even if most of it's had to do with Lee. We should assume that we're going to learn about Asuma's past and inner-person now. I'm excited about it.
PLOTHOLE 4: Naruto's "That Jutsu"
Scenario: At nearly the nose beginning of the Part 2 saga, Jiraiya warned Naruto not to use an unspecified jutsu in the Gaara rescue.
Question: What the hell is this technique Naruto knows and why is it so dangerous?
Outcome a: It's a move so extreme that Jiraiya is wanting him to save it for fighting Akatsuki.
Outcome b: It was the four-tail Kyuubi breakout form all along, regardless of most not considering it a 'jutsu'.
Status: RESOLVE UNCONFIRMED
Thoughts: Many have to consider the possibility that Jiraiya was actually talking about the four-tail breakout form when he told Naruto not to "use" that "jutsu". Contrary claims, though, that this four-tail consumption was too involuntary to be considered a usage of anything, plus it's so far outside the boundaries of what can be called a 'jutsu'. However, presentationally, evidence still points towards Outcome b being right.
[u]PLOTHOLE 5: Tobi
Scenario: After Sasori's death, a strange man in a spiral mask showed up expecting to be accepted into the Akatsuki group. He made a few extremely brief and extremely goofy appearances.
Question: Who the F*** is Tobi and where did he come from?
Outcome a: Tobi is actually Obito, whom survived his brush with death in the Kakashi Gaiden arc.
Outcome b: Tobi is just some random wacky-ass dude with a swirly face.
Thoughts: To most, it would seem definate that Tobi is going to be fleshed out more as a character, but it's just simply strange that someone so weird could show up out of nowhere for a grand total of eight seconds here and there and then not be seen again for months. It's especially strange how he tends to bring out the corny aspects in the Akatsuki crew.
PLOTHOLE 6: Kakashi and Asuma's Interrupted Conversation
Scenario: After Kakashi recovered from his injuries from the Gaara rescue, Asuma had something important to talk to him about until Kurenai walked in, causing him to immediately postpone the talk for another time.
Question: What was Asuma intending to tell Kakashi?
Outcome a: He was going to discuss his being the son of the Third Hokage ("You were one damn fine dad").
Outcome b: Asuma is pussy-whipped.
Thoughts: Seriously though- why the crap did he cut the convo right when Kurenai walked in, without even a word as to why he had to go? Kurenai literally said, "I heard Asuma was here, so..." and he got up and left. I mean, as if it was expected of him. Ugh, I have too many friends with GFs that make them behave JUST like that and I HATE it.
PLOTHOLE 7: Sai and Roots
Scenario: Sai was an odd boy who seemed to exhibit virtually no emotion or understand human behavior at all, yet he was still to replace Sasuke in Team Kakashi. He is apparently a member of an extremely secretive branch of Anbus known as Roots. He also claims to have had a brother, whom is dead.
Questions: What exactly is Sai's history? How did his brother really die? What's the deal with Roots?
Status: PARTIAL RESOLVE- Sai was trained to repress his emotions so to be a more efficient assassin, explaining his soulless conduct.
Thoughts: I know the multiple question thing is a lot to digest, but Sai is a touchy subject that will require a lot of monitoring. Don't be shy in your theorizing to any of those questions.
PLOTHOLE 8: Rin
Scenario: When Kakashi was a young ninja-in-training, he and Obito had a female team member and medic named Rin. Rin probably became very close to Kakashi as they grew up together, especially after Obito's death, but Rin was never mentioned again after the Kakashi Gaiden flashback.
Question: What happened to Rin?
Outcome a: Rin was one of the few people Kakashi loved and was killed (like his Dad and Obito).
Thoughts: This isn't a critical plot hole, but for her to never be brought up again would definitely reek of fish.
PLOTHOLE 9: Danzou
Scenario: Some random, decent looking, middle-aged man just waltzes into the Hokage's office because he's pissed that he wasn't selected to be the Godaime. He is under suspicion of plotting to overtake or destroy Konoha.
Questions: Who is this guy and what the hell can he do for the story with such an abrupt appearance?
Status: PARTIAL RESOLVE - Danzou is potentially a new villain, according to Yamato.
Thoughts: Danzou is no different from Tobi. He's some random dude that comes out of nowhere, that Kishimoto expects to be taken seriously when we don't know where the crap he came from or how he could be significant. Kishi's like, "This is a bad man named Danzou. He hates Tsunade and wishes he were the Godaime instead of her. He may want to conquer Konoha." And we're like, "...Um... oh." Itachi's character is the product of months and years of extremely slow yet well played foreshadowing and subtle puzzle-piecing. And Orochimaru's simply been around for, like, 250 chapters. That's why things of this nature are kind of a shock.
PLOTHOLE 10: The "Uchiha Madara"
Scenario: During Naruto and Sasuke's Part 2 reunion, Sasuke had a short conversation with the spirit of the Kyuubi inside Naruto's psyche. The instant the Kyuubi said Sasuke reminded him of "a certain Uchiha Madara," Sasuke got so mad he forcefully vanquished him and suggested it was foolish to assume he knew what the hell he was talking about.
Questions: What the f*** is an "Uchiha Madara," who is he to the Kyuubi, and why would bringing that up piss the hell out of Sasuke so bad?
Outcome a: The Kyuubi was talking about Itachi, totally justifying Sasuke's sudden anger.
Outcome b: The Kyuubi was talking about some Uchiha way back when, possibly during the great war.
Thoughts: This is a strange one, but a golden catch. When something spontaneously brought up and emphasized as something that could be important... but then goes silent as quickly as it came without being breathed of a second time in so long... it's definitely something to be identified as a potential plot hole. Take this one seriously, kids.
you forgot the biggest ones.
"who is naruto's parents?" btw "who is naruto?" (or why did yondaime choose naruto?)
"what incident woke the kyuubi up?"
"who is the leader of akatsuki?"
"the statue on the valley of the end belongs to whom?"
"what is that jutsus?(both sasuke's and naruto's)"
"wtf! didnt naruto learn any useful jutsu when he was training with jiraiya for the damn 2,5 years?"
that is all from me.(I could include the latest incidents, but they will be clarified in next few chapters so there is no need to.)
kishi is saving naruto's new techniques he learned for when he has to fight akatsuki (itachi)
Its safe to assume he has no connection with the monks, and is a member of the 12 guardians of the Daimyo.Originally Posted by warsaint777
You have also forgotten the most important:
Theory D of Plothole 2:
Kakashi awakened the "anti-mangekyou" born from the power to save loved ones (Sasuke), rather than killing them...
Lets not forget about Sai and what his real name is...and what is his whole involvement in the root thing.
Also how do Hidan and Kazuzu keep winning these battles?? What is the true meaning/purpose of Hidans ritual thingie?
Who is the last akatsuki memeber unrevealed?
Is there a special reason why Orichumaru is so snakelike in everyway? Who are the remaining bijuu
Now that u mention it a whole bunch of other stuff comes to mind (like what was Asuma's convo with kakashi supposed to be)
This thread is probably gonna end up wit some unaswered questions at the end of the manga lol
I think a plot hole is a part of a story that is never resolved by the end of the story. Therefore, none of the above constitute plot holes since everything listed is mainly ongoing continuity recently introduced. The exception of course is the Uchiha secret, but that is certainly going to be a part of the story's climax. Hence, it too does not constitute a plot hole.
Toad, we'll just go ahead and call them plot holes until they're actally filled in. [br]Posted on: July 13, 2006, 11:49:49 PM_________________________________________________Dark Sasuke, you are absolutely right. That's the point of this thread. Examples you made like the convo Asuma wanted to have with Kakashi... I mean, it;s a WONDERFUL example. Keep being sharp.
Theory A for Plothole 5 (Tobi):
Tobi is in fact Obito, who was saved from his near-death experience by a younger Zetsu
Theory B for Plothole 5 (Tobi):
Tobi is a random character with a spiral mask... whooaaaa
That's what I was going to say!Originally Posted by warsaint777
Mate, this is a fantastic idea for a thread! Are you going to regularly update the first page? That would be handy.
Has anyone mentioned "Who are the first two Jinchuuriki the Akatsuki caught?"
Not sure if this counts as a plot hole or not, but:
Why don't Orochimaru's new arms decay? The Third stole a part of his soul and took it into the deathgod. Did he regenerate it? The Akatsuki seem to have some sort of contact with the deathgod - did he use one of their rituals to get that piece of his soul back? Is he less powerful now because part of his soul is missing?
It seems like this was just sort of glossed over to me, so maybe it was just ignored and doesn't matter to the story at all.
I think that Orochimaru somehow merges with the soul, however he becomes the dominant soul. It gives Oro the person's memories when he takes over as well. The other person's soul-arms would simply become part of Oro.Originally Posted by miu
u mentioned "a dark family secret"Originally Posted by warsaint777
itachi knew something that sasuke didnt after reading the uchiha forbidden scroll.
so it is safe to say that itachi removed portion of the secret in order to deny sasuke the same rights. what the rights are, in my perspective is either to aquire a higher state of the uchiha bloodlimit or a specific destructive jutsu or immortality(?)
this could be seen throughtout kishi presentations.
- itachi kept sasuke alive and wanted him to achive the same ability as he. the mangekyou sharingan.
- itachi only had two version of mangekyou jutsu, tsukiyumi and amaterasu. there was no indication that he had a taijutsu version.
- sasuke did not know why he was kept alive specifically even after he has read the forbidden scroll.
- sasukes knowledge of kyubi and his uchiha bloodline ability to surpress its chakura.
- kyubis knowledge of the uchiha clan, uchiha madara in particular.
- the reason why uchiha itachi was assigned to be kyubis jinchuuriki(?)
(ive wrote a full theory about this. i seem to have lost it. ill look for it, on the meantime, this is what a portion of my theory is like)
Well its not stated that every Daimyo Guard is a Monk so you can throw that away as well. The 12 guards will know each other but I suppose they are a special team like ANBU and everyone is gifted with special abilities which combined create an unstoppable team.