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    What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    This thread is for predictions about what will happen to the territory of the Yonkou Law and Luffy defeat.

    Whichever Yonkou Luffy defeats, we need to assume it is a total defeat. Even if they are left alive, neither they nor there underlings will be a power anymore. This is typical of defeated characters in One Piece and should not change now. We can also assume that Luffy will visit multiple islands in the course of the Yonkou Saga. Some of these islands might not be content with the terms of alliance. The Strawhats will befriend these islands, and like Fishman Islands, they would ask to raise the Strawhat Jolly Roger after the Yonkou is defeated. In this way Luffy will liberate enough islands to form a territory of his own. After the Yonous' defeat this territory, and Luffy's new found swag, will be enough to proclaim him a new Yonkou. The remaining territory will be up for grabs, possibly a subject of a future arc.

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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    I dont think they would be powerful or influencial enough to have control over an empire. I think Luffy would protect the ones where his friends are and Law would probably take a few and leave the rest for grabs.

    The other Supernovas will definately come knocking if these guys had a lot of land. The safest way for them is to not be greedy IMO.
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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Quote Originally Posted by jaymizzo View Post
    I dont think they would be powerful or influencial enough to have control over an empire. I think Luffy would protect the ones where his friends are and Law would probably take a few and leave the rest for grabs.

    The other Supernovas will definately come knocking if these guys had a lot of land. The safest way for them is to not be greedy IMO.
    It doesn't really matter about the powerful and influential thing, when Luffy defeats the Yonkou, if people find out that would automatically prove his strength. As for the influential part, Mihawk said it himself in the Marineford war arc, Luffy's biggest power is to make friends and allies with anyone. I'm sure he'll make allies with the islands that he goes through and make friends with the island's leaders. It'll probably be like almost every island the strawhats go through, they'll help out the island
    and save them and they'll make friends with them. It happened in Arabasta, Skypeia, Water 7, Fishman island and will happen on others. All the islands will put up the strawhats flag and will remove Big mam's flag if they are controlled by them, probably after they find out he defeated Big Mam.

    I hope that the World Government won't cover it up. I doubt they will be able too, how would they hide something that big? I'm sure everyone in the new world would see Big mam's influence disappear. Plus I love those reactions around the world, seeing people surprised and shocked would be funny and good to read. xD

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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mische View Post
    It was obvious that there would be more to CCs abiity than just poisonous gas...
    He is (like almost any Logia) hard to handle for most of his opponents.
    Fighting him inside of a building would be a pain as he can slip through cracks of the walls, ventilation shafts, etc.
    Still he cant keep up with Luffys speed and strenght. And Luffy can sense him using his haki... If Luffy catches him off guard the fight will end before it even started... We´ll see what happens!



    Well WB was defeated and gone was his influence on his islands....
    It doesnt matter if you defeat a Younkou and then kill him off or let him live. Once your name is shattered you will most definately loose influence.

    A Yonkou might be incredibly strong but he cant be on every island holding his flag...
    So in the end what gives him this overwhelming power is his name. Loose against a rookie and you´ll have to start all over..
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    The WB situation was completely different. He was actually killed, and no what gives a Yonkou overwhelming power is just that - their power. The fact that their name is enough to keep people from taking their islands is simply because they are so ridiculously strong that anyone doing so would either be taken out by their subordinates, or if they're powerful enough, by the Yonkou themselves. With WB dead, BB no longer had to worry about him anymore so could freely take over his territory. If BM survives then her reputation will be in tatters, but she will still have her power and be considered one of the strongest pirates in the world, so I doubt she will lose the rest of her territory.

    Quote Originally Posted by Schabrak View Post
    One needs to control the free territory to make it ones own. There might still be loyal henchmen everywhere so taking control isn't done with slaying a Yonkou. We know for fact that Marco and Co were fighting BB for the territory.

    Why would we need info about Kaidou now? What purpose would it have? Our concentration is on Big Mam and Doflamingo right now, putting emphasis on other big characters would distract the attention from where it's needed.

    With Blackbeard roaming around and Shanks being the only "good" emperor, with the information that Kidd harasses BM, little skimishes should be on their agenda. Personally I only see BB sailing around taking islands and those are most likely just old WB ones where he doesn't have to fear reprecautions.
    That's fair enough, but we don't know what BM's crew think of her. Aside from the elite members, it seems as though everyone else fears BM so they may not exactly be as loyal to her as Marco and co were to WB after he died. Also, just said a bit of info on Kaidou would be nice, I didn't mean an entire reveal so that he steals the spotlight, we've got next to nothing on the guy so anything would do.


    I personally believe that Luffy will make more friends with people who are under BM's protection and eventually gain jurisdiction over those islands too. It's never been said that there have to be 4 Yonkous at any one time so maybe after her defeat, BM remains in control of the rest of her islands whilst Luffy becomes the 5th Yonkou. Also, it may be possible to be in control of a few islands but not enough to be considered a Yonkou. If Luffy does defeat BM then it would be much more difficult for him to visit any islands under Kaidou or BB's control without getting into a fight with them, which could be interesting considering his desire for absolute freedom on the seas.
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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Yonkou means four emperors, Yon means four in Japanese (yondaime/fourth hokage). There can only be four; not one, two, three, five, six, or ten. That is why it called Yonkou, no Gokou or Sankou or Ichikou.

    By defeating a Yonkou, Luffy will be proclaimed a Yonkou. Proclaiming him a Yonkou immediately after defeating a Yonkou ensures it happens at the most dramatic moment possible, as well as ensures that plot coherence is maintained. Proclaiming him a Yonkou later would needless drag out a plot point that could have already been resolved in a manner more exciting for the audience. To wait would be catastrophically bad story telling by the standard of any medium.

    When Big Mom is defeated, her role in the story will have been fulfilled. There will be no reason to retain her as a Yonkou other than to needlessly drag out the plot. Her purpose is to serve as a stepping stone in Luffy's rise to power. Once that role is served, her role as Yonkou will be complete. The story can then move forward to other adventures featuring other villains.

    Only four members of Big Mom's crew have been shown, one has yet to be named. No reason to believe there will be any defections to Luffy, not that it would matter if they did. What would matter is her territory. We already know that she extracts tribute from Fishman Island in exchange for protection. We can assume that many of the islands she protects also pay tribute. If a more benevolent protector comes along these islands would likely defect, thus allowing Luffy to build territory in the process of defeating Big Mom. Since Oda has already made clear that being a Yonkou does not have to be a position of political power, we already know Luffy will only act as friend and protector of the islands in his territory. When in need he would come to their aid, but leave them to their own devices otherwise.

    Lest we forget, Luffy is not a rookie pirate. He has defeated two of the feared Shichibukai, laid siege to Enes Lobby, survived a Buster Call, infiltrated Impel Down, led a jailbreak, releasing some rather infamous prisoners, took part in the Battle of Marineford, is the son of Dragon, and has a 400million beri bounty. He has formed an alliance with the Heart Pirates, another powerful crew. Once Jinbe joins the Strawhars, the Sun Pirates will either become allies or absorbed as allies. He has all the credentials for being a Yonkou already. Once he succeeds in defeating Big Mom, replacing her is inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc1233 View Post
    If Luffy does defeat BM then it would be much more difficult for him to visit any islands under Kaidou or BB's control without getting into a fight with them, which could be interesting considering his desire for absolute freedom on the seas.
    How would it be any different than if he was not a Yonkou and visited there territory? He would still be a Pirate and it would still be construed as a challenge. If he is a Yonkou, Oda can vary the plot in ways he can not now. Instead of Luffy challenging other pirates, they could challenge him. Luffy would become the power, with other Pirates seeking him out.
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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    Yonkou means four emperors, Yon means four in Japanese (yondaime/fourth hokage). There can only be four; not one, two, three, five, six, or ten. That is why it called Yonkou, no Gokou or Sankou or Ichikou.

    By defeating a Yonkou, Luffy will be proclaimed a Yonkou. Proclaiming him a Yonkou immediately after defeating a Yonkou ensures it happens at the most dramatic moment possible, as well as ensures that plot coherence is maintained. Proclaiming him a Yonkou later would needless drag out a plot point that could have already been resolved in a manner more exciting for the audience. To wait would be catastrophically bad story telling by the standard of any medium.

    When Big Mom is defeated, her role in the story will have been fulfilled. There will be no reason to retain her as a Yonkou other than to needlessly drag out the plot. Her purpose is to serve as a stepping stone in Luffy's rise to power. Once that role is served, her role as Yonkou will be complete. The story can then move forward to other adventures featuring other villains.

    Only four members of Big Mom's crew have been shown, one has yet to be named. No reason to believe there will be any defections to Luffy, not that it would matter if they did. What would matter is her territory. We already know that she extracts tribute from Fishman Island in exchange for protection. We can assume that many of the islands she protects also pay tribute. If a more benevolent protector comes along these islands would likely defect, thus allowing Luffy to build territory in the process of defeating Big Mom. Since Oda has already made clear that being a Yonkou does not have to be a position of political power, we already know Luffy will only act as friend and protector of the islands in his territory. When in need he would come to their aid, but leave them to their own devices otherwise.

    Lest we forget, Luffy is not a rookie pirate. He has defeated two of the feared Shichibukai, laid siege to Enes Lobby, survived a Buster Call, infiltrated Impel Down, led a jailbreak, releasing some rather infamous prisoners, took part in the Battle of Marineford, is the son of Dragon, and has a 400million beri bounty. He has formed an alliance with the Heart Pirates, another powerful crew. Once Jinbe joins the Strawhars, the Sun Pirates will either become allies or absorbed as allies. He has all the credentials for being a Yonkou already. Once he succeeds in defeating Big Mom, replacing her is inevitable.

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    How would it be any different than if he was not a Yonkou and visited there territory? He would still be a Pirate and it would still be construed as a challenge. If he is a Yonkou, Oda can vary the plot in ways he can not now. Instead of Luffy challenging other pirates, they could challenge him. Luffy would become the power, with other Pirates seeking him out.
    I used the term Yonkou just for conveniences sake, there's no reason why it can't turn into a Gokou, after WB's death it was technically a Sankou anyway.

    Compared to NW standards, Luffy is still considered a rookie. BM only recognised him because of his connection to Garp, rather than his achievements. In terms of his bounty, that's nothing special, BM has subordinates who fear her with bounties of 330 mil. Kidd was evidently busy during the TS, his bounty was higher than Luffy's pre-TS and he goes around sinking Yonkou ships and yet he is still considered a Rookie. Luffy still has yet to make considerable waves in the NW which is what will count.

    Well even now Luffy's reputation served as a hindrance to getting into FI with the NFP, but he still wasn't feared or well-known enough to pose a direct threat to BM so she cared little about him until his challenge. Should he beat a Yonkou then his reputation will be significantly elevated, if he enters other Yonkou's territories (except for Shanks possibly, but even with him we aren't certain how he can react) then the challenge will be serious enough to warrant a confrontation whilst now that just isn't the case.
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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    If Oda planned on changing the Yonkou, why didn't he do it already? Whitebeard was killed, the Yonkou was reduced from four to three, he had the opportunity to change the Four Emperor's to the Three. Only he did not. Why would he choose to maintain plot continuity now, but not when Luffy defeats Big Mom?

    Thank god you are not writing this story! When Luffy defeats a Yonkou, he will be proclaimed the next Yonkou. Anything short will a complete and utter waste of everyone's time. There is no other point of him even fighting a Yonkou. Any other outcome simply delays the inevitable, without benefiting the story in the slightest. It is established beyond even the smallest shadow of a doubt this fight is coming. He has already confronted a Yonkou, he has formed an alliance with another powerful pirate to fight a Yonkou. All that is left is for the fight to begin.

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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiten View Post
    If Oda planned on changing the Yonkou, why didn't he do it already? Whitebeard was killed, the Yonkou was reduced from four to three, he had the opportunity to change the Four Emperor's to the Three. Only he did not. Why would he choose to maintain plot continuity now, but not when Luffy defeats Big Mom?

    Thank god you are not writing this story! When Luffy defeats a Yonkou, he will be proclaimed the next Yonkou. Anything short will a complete and utter waste of everyone's time. There is no other point of him even fighting a Yonkou. Any other outcome simply delays the inevitable, without benefiting the story in the slightest. It is established beyond even the smallest shadow of a doubt this fight is coming. He has already confronted a Yonkou, he has formed an alliance with another powerful pirate to fight a Yonkou. All that is left is for the fight to begin.
    Because he was building BB up to be the next Yonkou for a while before that anyway. I doubt the purpose of the various storylines which led to BB becoming a Yonkou was simply maintaining the word "Yonkou", why would such a simple thing dictate the plot? Oda has already shown that he doesn't mind killing off one Yonkou and adding another, so what's the problem with increasing the number of emperors?

    I'm sorry that you don't like me pointing out that there may be more possible scenarios than the one that you're suggesting. Maybe you should just write the story yourself? As I've said, if Luffy does team up against BM, it's unlikely that he'll be proclaimed the next Yonkou. The battle will certainly happen, but if it's sometime soon then I don't see how Luffy would be able to stand a chance without teaming up against her. The sole point of Luffy fighting BM is for FI (and any other future islands under her control) to be his, he didn't challenge her in order to steal her title.
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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    i dont think luffy will become Yonkou very soon .even if he has to become Yonkou he will become just some time before he find one piece (well his dream is to become pirate king and not Yonkou). i mean guys we only see 3/5 Yonkou's power and that power is very high
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    fighter/soldier --- sward-master --- great silver --- id/god/other 6 (i forget there name)
    if u take like this luffy is right now on sward-master lvl and Yonkou is on id and god's lvl
    also like lot of say even after 2 years of training they dont want SH win easily so when if he become Yonkou he will not have choice to loss or hardly win . so that why Yonkou or pirate king whatever he wanted to become he has to wait for end of his search for one piece
    and guys why do u wanted to kill other Yonkou i mean there one thing can happen Yonkou + pirate king i mean luffy dont have any interest in other thing then absolute freedom on the seas

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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Well maybe Law could claim certain things , like islands but i don't see Luffy giving a damn about all those things . Of course i think there will be exceptions like how happened with FI . I think there will be certain islands in the NW that will need his protection , especially since there are tons of pirates like BB or Kidd who enjoy fame and power just for the sake of torturing innocent people .

    I'm looking forward to how the SH's will be seen after defeating Big Mom . I wanna see a raise in their bounty ASAP

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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Quote Originally Posted by Limit View Post
    It doesn't really matter about the powerful and influential thing, when Luffy defeats the Yonkou, if people find out that would automatically prove his strength. As for the influential part, Mihawk said it himself in the Marineford war arc, Luffy's biggest power is to make friends and allies with anyone. I'm sure he'll make allies with the islands that he goes through and make friends with the island's leaders. It'll probably be like almost every island the strawhats go through, they'll help out the island
    and save them and they'll make friends with them. It happened in Arabasta, Skypeia, Water 7, Fishman island and will happen on others. All the islands will put up the strawhats flag and will remove Big mam's flag if they are controlled by them, probably after they find out he defeated Big Mam.

    I hope that the World Government won't cover it up. I doubt they will be able too, how would they hide something that big? I'm sure everyone in the new world would see Big mam's influence disappear. Plus I love those reactions around the world, seeing people surprised and shocked would be funny and good to read. xD
    WG tried to cover incidents that had to do with the Government itself meaning the Schichibukai events...If a Yonkou is taking down there might be positive effect for the government.They may try to free some islands and establish Marine's bases in them.


    Everyone here says Luffy will beat the Yonkou and become Yonkou...What will Law do? This will be the start of deceasing the Yonkou's to 3-2-1-0=Pirate King exists...Ofc Luffy will not beat Shanks (even if he does he will not erase his title IMo they will keep it a secret). So I believe BB will try to take Shanks out...or during the battle Luffy vs BB SHanks may die/sacrifise himself.
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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Hey first time posting on a One Piece thread so go easy on me , but everyone says that Luffy wants full freedom of the sea, but with all of these Yonkou plus the WG it doesn't make it free, maybe Luffy doesn't want to become a Yonkou because he has a greater goal of becoming PK what if he wants to stop the Yonkou all together and free the NW islands so no one controls them
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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    Luffy has shown throughout the manga that he only cares for people he actually has contact to. He stands up to his nakama and friends and to an extend to their islands, because those were threatened. Luffy knows that there are bad things done even all around the GrandLine and he never felt like freeing those. You also have to consider that Oda only has a limited amount of arcs left, he doesn't aim to draw it for the next 20 years. It's not his job to free the NW of the pirates, that's Akainus and his marine forces one.

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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    You guys are only speculating, we don't know anything of how the new world works, Oda kept it hush hush for so long. Just because u defeat a yonkou it doesn't mean you are automatically a yonkou. When blackbeard killed whitebeard he wasn't automatically considered a Yonkou, he had to work for it. He had to go and conquer WB's lost territories, or someone else would have. But being in that crew for decades he knew it like the back of his hand. Luffy will defeat a yonkou and after doing so we might have to see the chain reaction of him slowly taking her territory. Brownbeard tried to get in on the lost territory and we see how far that got him.

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    Re: What Will Happn to Their Territory After Law and Luffy Defeat a Yonkou?

    yall say "four Yonkou" but there actually 5..why I say that is because don't "Monkey D. Dragon" has as much power maybe even more then a Yonkou, WB is the strongest man in the world, TRUE, but as I recoil ain't Dragon the most dangerous man in the world?

    Besides that, if Luffy fight even with a Yonkou then even if he lost hes worth being a yonkou. Thats why I'm saying that its wise to make Luffy lose his first yonkou fight, but able to hold on to whatever island they fought on as a sign of respect from the yonkou he fought with.

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