Gantz 369 Discussion/370 Prediction Thread

[gantzaccount]

*I hate Marilyn Monroe and her being associated with the likes of Jesus, Hitler, and even Michael Jackson. She's famous for being a whore, essentially. I realize that has nothing to do with the chapter, but her fame is a pet peeve of mine. The continuing adoration of her by young impressionable girls as well.

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I agree. In fact, wouldn't God, by definition, have to be an alien? Granted, some mythological interpretations hold that primordial beings came into being when the sky and ocean got it on, or similar things. But looking at it from a modern angle, if such a being as God exists, he/it/they didn't evolve on Earth, so he's alien, whether he's extraterrestrial, extrastellar, extragalatic, or extrauniversal. Where do these life-creating, or world-creating beings come from? They can't come from the life they created or the worlds they created. The argument could even be extended to the simulation hypothesis.

1. It's possible the aliens were just showing faces of people they were reading from the human brains. If they can replicate data, then obviously famous icons are going to be a part of that. Monroe, regardless of who or what she was, is still a famous person. If you were an alien god and just drawing random faces from humanity's memories, Monroe would be the same as Kubrick or Hitler since they're all the same--can you tell a worker ant from any other ant?

And if you looked at humanity over millions of years, nothing Hitler or Monroe or Stalin did really matters in the end; they all died and their impact fades away eventually. And now humanity is on the brink of being wiped out, meaning ALL of their influence is about to vanish anyways.


2. Yeah, besides, if a being (alien, human, or otherwise) appeared with the powers of resurrection, it WOULD be worshiped as God. That's sort of a major part of most religious belief, that God controls life and death.

Unless you're a Scientologist, in which case God really IS an alien in a volcano.

[kusomaru]

1. It's possible the aliens were just showing faces of people they were reading from the human brains. If they can replicate data, then obviously famous icons are going to be a part of that. Monroe, regardless of who or what she was, is still a famous person. If you were an alien god and just drawing random faces from humanity's memories, Monroe would be the same as Kubrick or Hitler since they're all the same, just ants.

I get that. I was referring more to Oku's usage of famous faces rather than the alien's usage of their faces.

[gryphonZark]

Gantz E "restore order to the Earth itself"

Nishi said something to the effect "the worlds so fucked up its hard to keep track"

It would suck being Nishi because he is the closest to reason by far in Gantz Japan.

The Giants should have been able to make thier own world and sun with thier tech level

So given the above their may be something special about earth...Fra intimated as much...

also no the giants culture looked like earth buildings....or did oka run out of ideas..../reference

Agian the Gantz entity was using Humans as a proxy army to kill of the giants at best.

[Damura]

I agree.

It's somewhat Ironic though, because in a sense, the idea of what "god" is, is very vague.

The being understands what our concept of god is, So he can tell us it doesn't exist.

Though at the same time, it meets almost all of the criteria to be defined as a "god" by our standards.

I think it was part of its criticism of us towards the end. "You believe you hold a special place among the species of Earth, but this is not so". Religion in general tends to put us up on a pedestal. The idea that a potentially infinite number of people inhabit a special afterlife together is laughable.

I don't know if Gantz is saying absolutely "there is no god", or whether it's closer to "your idea of god doesn't exist" but I guess it doesn't matter. Why should people care about a god that doesn't want to have anything to do with you anyway?

I'll just add that these aliens aren't even close to god. By the looks of it they've got some fancy technology and maybe a natural shapeshifting ability (as ridiculous as it sounds when you wonder if every alien we've seen was born with their random magic powers), but they can't do anything outside of nature like a god can. They can't will things into existance or anything. Can't even handle a couple of giants on their own by the look of it.

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I was left wondering the same thing. The entity said: "You believe you hold a special place among the creatures of Earth, but this is not so. We made the choice that was left to us to restore order to the Earth itself. Not to save your human race. " To protect the planet itself? Maybe they don't care about individual species, but they do care about the whole biosphere? Or maybe it's future? Humans might presently pale in comparison to these beings, but they didn't start out at that level eitiher. Maybe that's why.[/SPOILER]

If they don't care if the most dominant species on the planet is completely wiped out then how can they say they care about maintaining order here? Either we're vital for the environment and therefore they need us to survive in big numbers, or we're not needed and so they may as well let us be killed by the giants. If they care about the environment then maybe they should get rid of us anyway :/

[kliff2004]

but they can't do anything outside of nature like a god can.

You mean like bringing the dead back to life?

They can't will things into existance or anything.

What do you call teleporting massive giant mech's out of no where?

Dude, its called Dues Ex Machina, GOD IN THE MACHINE. lol. The word god is in the explanation.

There's plenty of people that would call this thing a god, if I told them what it could do.

(no need for explanating HOW it works, because you need to be smart enough to understand how it works to appreciate it. IF you don't believe me, try to explain how nuclear power works, to an ant.)

Can't even handle a couple of giants on their own by the look of it.

If you read the chapter, it says they "drove them out."

How did you misinterpret that into thinking they, can't handle them?

IF you drive something away, lets just say, you fucking handled it lol.

[Shion Izumi]

I can see Gantz ending like this

One of the Kurono's will die to sacrifice the world and destroy the giants

Upon the defeat of the giants Kurono will request every human to be restored and everyones memory erased from the time the gantz game started. The Gantz aliens will restore the world as if Gantz never existed and leaving humanity with no knowledge of their technology since it was pretty much only used to defeat the giants.

The final scene is Kurono and Katou in the subway and a homeless guy falls on the tracks and they somehow start getting flashbacks of their time in gantz. Than it ends.

[kliff2004]

I can see Gantz ending like this

One of the Kurono's will die to sacrifice the world and destroy the giants

Upon the defeat of the giants Kurono will request every human to be restored and everyones memory erased from the time the gantz game started. The Gantz aliens will restore the world as if Gantz never existed and leaving humanity with no knowledge of their technology since it was pretty much only used to defeat the giants.

The final scene is Kurono and Katou in the subway and a homeless guy falls on the tracks and they somehow start getting flashbacks of their time in gantz. Than it ends.

I'm going to kill you if this happens by the way.

I had the same thought in my head, but I didn't want to type it out for fear of GINXING IT!

Although I must admit, I forgot there still a war going on.

Now that everything is finished, I don't even feel like seeing a final epic battle or anything.

The mood that is set feels like everything is finishing. It would have been better to have the final fight first before the truth came out.

But whatever. As long as its well drawn. I don't want to see anymore awkward 3D model monsters that look like the guy from "reboot" made the graphics.

[Damura]

You mean like bringing the dead back to life?

Which has been done with technology?

What do you call teleporting massive giant mech's out of no where?

Technology?

Dude, its called Dues Ex Machina, GOD IN THE MACHINE. lol. The word god is in the explanation.

There's plenty of people that would call this thing a god, if I told them what it could do.

And they'd be wrong. Convincing someone you're god and actually being god are two different things.

(no need for explanating HOW it works, because you need to be smart enough to understand how it works to appreciate it. IF you don't believe me, try to explain how nuclear power works, to an ant.)

????

If you read the chapter, it says they "drove them out."

How did you misinterpret that into thinking they, can't handle them?

IF you drive something away, lets just say, you fucking handled it lol.

30 years on and they're still 'handling it'.

[Darthdevil]

I can see Gantz ending like this

One of the Kurono's will die to sacrifice the world and destroy the giants

Upon the defeat of the giants Kurono will request every human to be restored and everyones memory erased from the time the gantz game started. The Gantz aliens will restore the world as if Gantz never existed and leaving humanity with no knowledge of their technology since it was pretty much only used to defeat the giants.

The final scene is Kurono and Katou in the subway and a homeless guy falls on the tracks and they somehow start getting flashbacks of their time in gantz. Than it ends.

Sry dude but Gantz isnt anymore about single persons . The storytelling changed . Its now about , lets say , everything . Whole humanity , all aliens , not about Kurono doing something . Gantz isnt about 1 or 2 heroes .

[kliff2004]

Which has been done with technology?



Technology?



And they'd be wrong. Convincing someone you're god and actually being god are two different things.



????



30 years on and they're still 'handling it'.

Your missing the point.

Yes, technology is the source.

But the concenpt aligns itself with what gods do.

Bringing the dead back to life is something god can do. So can this being.

I'm saying they are similar, when you disregard the source of their power.

We are the ones that define what a god is.

Out of all the people left on the planet, trust me, most would view it as a spiritual being. Even if you told them it was because of technology.

Hell there are people in tribes, on this actual planet, that would call you a miracle worker just for being able to do CPR.

Or if you brought medicine that cured what ails them.

[Coolperson1145]

I must say, after this chapter....I have absolutely no clue on what could be next. I'm really hoping for some kind of good twist next chapter because what is there left to do now? We know the truth of Gantz, the americans are fighting the final battle, what is left for the rest of these guys? Also, for the love of god, where is Nishi and Takeshi? I'm once again irritated by the 3 week wait, but oh well. I'll look forward to this next chapter.

[kliff2004]

I must say, after this chapter....I have absolutely no clue on what could be next. I'm really hoping for some kind of good twist next chapter because what is there left to do now? We know the truth of Gantz, the americans are fighting the final battle, what is left for the rest of these guys? Also, for the love of god, where is Nishi and Takeshi? I'm once again irritated by the 3 week wait, but oh well. I'll look forward to this next chapter.

Nishi is in a mech

Takeshi is on earth safe and sound.

[Damura]

Your missing the point.

Yes, technology is the source.

But the concenpt aligns itself with what gods do.

Bringing the dead back to life is something god can do. So can this being.

I'm saying they are similar, when you disregard the source of their power.

We are the ones that define what a god is.

Out of all the people left on the planet, trust me, most would view it as a spiritual being. Even if you told them it was because of technology.

Hell there are people in tribes, on this actual planet, that would call you a miracle worker just for being able to do CPR.

Or if you brought medicine that cured what ails them.

There are many definitions for god. If such a being exists, it exists whether or not we can see it, measure it or even define it.

We can't disregard the source of power. The source is a huge part of what makes a god, god.

Even if we think something works a certain way doesn't make it so. Especially if we only have half the information.

[kliff2004]

There are many definitions for god. If such a being exists, it exists whether or not we can see it, measure it or even define it.

We can't disregard the source of power. The source is a huge part of what makes a god, god.

Even if we think something works a certain way doesn't make it so. Especially if we only have half the information.

Yes you can disregard the source of the power.

If aliens visited the plant thousands of years ago, they would be called gods.

Why?

Because the observers can only describe what they are seeing to the best of there abilities.

You said, "they can't do anything out side of nature like a god can"

Bringing someone back from the dead as of this day, is outside of nature. You can't blow up, and have someone give you your life back.

You say he's not a god cause you understand the source of his power. (technology)

There for, a god by your definition, has capabilities that you just don't understand.

People used to think lightening and weather was controlled by the gods, cause they didn't understand how weather functioned.

The gantzman's god like stature is an extension of this logic.

I'm not calling him a god in the "metaphysical being" sense of the word.

I didn't even call him a god in the first place.

I said, he has god like qualities.

Remember, your arguing with me cause I said, it aligns itself with what most people would consider a god.

For whatever reason, you just can't accept it.

[Damura]

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As of 'today', in the Gantz world, they KNOW for a fact that machines are doing everything.

A God has no source of power. It's just magic. A god doesn't bring people back to life with his laptop.

By my definition, a god doesn't need a reason for it's power, it can just do things whenever it wants (at least, with a christian god. I'm not familiar with many others).

The reason I've been arguing is because you seem to think that technology is 'outside of nature' or 'godlike'. Anything that can be done with technology (as it is in Gantz) by nature cannot be godlike.

God = magic, technology = nature.

It can be used to appear godlike and people may worship it if they wish, but as I said earlier it's not godlike. Lacks the most important aspect; magic!