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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Tobi reaction when speaking of Izuna



    Why Tobi had an emotional reaction when speaking of Izuna?

    Tobi face was different



    Before his identity was revealed, Tobi face was clearly different. More specifically, his face looked just like Madara.

    His eye is shaped just like Madara's, and is also bulged. Not so many people would refuse to believe Tobi wasn't Obito if, in fact, his face wasn't different of Obito.

    Kurama recognized Tobi



    Kurama recognized Tobi, meaning it is someone he meet before. Ignoring that Tobi is Obito, you would expect that they meet before, since they have made a summoning contract, right?

    Naruto reminds Tobi of Hashirama



    Tobi said that Naruto reminds him of Hashirama, but he never really meet Hashirama, right?

    Tobi speaks of his battle with Hashirama for people who knows he is not Madara



    Why would Tobi says he gained Hashirama cells during their battles in front of Kabuto or Zetsu, who knows he is not the real Madara? Who is Tobi trying to fool, the reader?

    Tobi can summon Kurama



    Tobi summoned Kurama, but aren't you used to make a contract with the creature to summon it?

    Since Madara managed to control Kurama in the past, it's easy to imagine how he managed to make contract. But beetween Obito's apparent death and Naruto's birth Kurama was inside of Kushina.

    Tobi waited for a long time...



    Tobi said he has been waiting for a long time to Kushina's seal weaken. Is he just speaking as if he was Madara again? I am not sure if I am buying that.

    Just a shell of his former self



    There have been multiple instances which the characters mentioned something about Madara's body being just a shell or something.

    It has nothing to do with Obito's body, since Itachi is not aware of his identity, and Tobi was maintaining his disguise. What was that history all about?

    Tobi height against Minato



    During the battle with Minato, Tobi was of the same stature as Minato. But this happened about 1 year after Obito's apparent death, so Obito should be 14 at this point.

    In the manga we don't get any good panel to compare Kakashi and the others to adults, but he is younger than Naruto in Part II. Could this be just some terrible drawing?

    I am willing to believe that at some point it will be explained that something happened to Obito's body.

    Why Minato didn't recognize Obito?



    Since only 1 year passed, shouldn't Minato recognize Obito? The mask wouldn't trick Minato.

    Besides, how Minato tought that a brat was Madara? Even if Kishimoto art makes it looks like an adult, realistically Minato should be able to tell the difference beetween a 14 years old and someone who has been alieve for almost a century.

    Again, something weird might have happened to Obito that changed his appearance.
    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    ^About Kabuto, that's true. I just thought of that recently. Kabuto summoned the Madara-coffin, Tobi got intimidated, and then a while later he keeps on acting like he's Madara in front of Kabuto.

    Now THAT has to be an inconsistency or a plothole. I can't see it make much sense.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Good find Fox!
    True many of those examples don't make any sence, especially the one with kabuto....

    But I think that's one of the Mangas weaknesses, some scenes are directly adressed to the reader, without thinking about the characters and theire realtionship....

    another example is Zetzu and Tobi after the Garaa arc:

    http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/280/18

    They act like they don't know eachother, eventhough they are completly alone.
    This was one of the scenes to introduce Tobi, either Kishi forogt that he had planed a connection between the two, or he decided to create one later on.....

    (please don't argument they could have acted this way for security.... both Obito and Zetzu should be able to sence if they are indeed alone... this is a plotdevice and it's used without thinking the situation through..)

    eitherway I think these are inconsistencys that won't be explained anymore.
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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Quote Originally Posted by Notak View Post
    ^About Kabuto, that's true. I just thought of that recently. Kabuto summoned the Madara-coffin, Tobi got intimidated, and then a while later he keeps on acting like he's Madara in front of Kabuto.

    Now THAT has to be an inconsistency or a plothole. I can't see it make much sense.
    His bizarre habit of referring to himself as Madara when he's alone (like when he was talking to Konan and then when he was harvesting Nagato's eyes) could be explained if Obito has had some crazy genjutsu layered on top of his personality for several years. IDK, there's not a whole let else to explain that. Or Madara's consciousness overlaps Obito's own due to gene splicing. Ninja science.

    The scenes where Tobi acts like a goofball could be because the genjutsu flickers in and out, letting Obito's personality seep through.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    I don't think much ppl like Tobi being Obito because it was just the obvious answer and Kishi seems like a big jerk and lacks luster revealing Tobi to be Obito when he could have released that bit of info much earlier and have it play out much smoother..So now we're all pissed cause we knew who he was and kept throwing aside the most obvious answer and now there's inconsistencies in the stories and potential plot holes....
    My major dislike for Tobi being Obito is simply this.

    1.Tobi vs 4th Hokage.....Obito was still just a child how the hell did he awaken his M.S, Kill top Anbu's, Control Kyuubi and Fight 4thHokage in all just a year for a 14 yr old who wasn't close to being that skilled...Until further chapters there's a plot hole there. And if it wasn't obito playing tobi then..Why does Madara use his Space Time Jutsus??!?!???

    2. Obito gave one of his eye's to Kakashi, which is why they share the same unique M.S ability...Make's sense but didn't Tobi/Obito use Izanagi against Konan and lost his Sharingan the same eye that was crushed underneath a boulder...So how is he still able to perform his kamui jutsus if he lost his original set of eyes....Shisui gave Itacih his eye and Danozu took the other..And That was the end of his jutsus 2 other ppl possessed it.....Obito shouldn't still be able to use Kamui anymore

    3.The whole you let Rin die....Booooooooo!!! Thumbs Down

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Quote Originally Posted by XXGenesis View Post
    2. Obito gave one of his eye's to Kakashi, which is why they share the same unique M.S ability...Make's sense but didn't Tobi/Obito use Izanagi against Konan and lost his Sharingan the same eye that was crushed underneath a boulder...So how is he still able to perform his kamui jutsus if he lost his original set of eyes....Shisui gave Itacih his eye and Danozu took the other..And That was the end of his jutsus 2 other ppl possessed it.....Obito shouldn't still be able to use Kamui anymore
    Obito gave his left Sharingan to Kakashi. His right Sharingan was assumed to be damaged, but never was. We can see his right eye being intact in Chapter 601.

    Against Konan he used the left Sharingan eye for Izanagi.
    He used Sharingans from other Uchihas for his left eye socket. In Chapter 482, you can see Obitos "wall of Sharingans" with minimum 104 Sharingans.
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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Minato not being able to recognize Tobi as Obito makes sense though. Compare how Tobi fought, what he did, and what he said to Obito back then, it's completely different. Minato also thinking Obito was dead certainly did not help. The knowledge Tobi showed does not match Obito's either, as well as space/time ninjutsu. I don't know if Minato ever saw the Sharingan either.

    Other than that, thanks for making it even more obvious that Tobi wasn't planned to be Obito to the Tobito theorists.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Quote Originally Posted by badluckartist View Post
    His bizarre habit of referring to himself as Madara when he's alone (like when he was talking to Konan and then when he was harvesting Nagato's eyes) could be explained if Obito has had some crazy genjutsu layered on top of his personality for several years. IDK, there's not a whole let else to explain that. Or Madara's consciousness overlaps Obito's own due to gene splicing. Ninja science.

    The scenes where Tobi acts like a goofball could be because the genjutsu flickers in and out, letting Obito's personality seep through.
    Yea, it could be explained actually. Maybe it's something like you said, or something like Tobi keeping the charade up in case someone was spying on them. Remember, Orochimaru had been spying on Tobi (as I recall) without his knowledge. So it's not farfetched that he would take precautions.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    oops wait your right Syx he used his left I couldn't remember the chapter # to check..Kishi is acquitted of charge #2.... Charge #1 still stands until he's proven innocent

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Kisame recognized Tobi's face as Madara



    When Tobi showed his face to Kisame, he recognized him as the man who was controlling Yagura, and called him "Madara". Also when Tobi was speaking with Sasuke, he seemed to have no problem in showing his face, despite his history of being Uchiha Madara.

    But Obito's face doesn't resemble Madara at all. When Muu and the real Madara showed up, there was no doubt for Gaara and the others that he was Madara, while Kakashi and Guy remembered Obito's face to some extend.

    Nagato's eyes belonged to Tobi



    Tobi spoke to Kabuto how Nagato's eyes belonged to him, despite Kabuto not only knowning that he is not Madara, but that Madara possessed the Rinnengan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox666 View Post
    Tobi spoke to Kabuto how Nagato's eyes belonged to him, despite Kabuto not only knowning that he is not Madara, but that Madara possessed the Rinnengan.
    Is this really a reason for "why Tobi shouldn't be Obito"?

    Obito lied when he spoke to Kabuto.

    Another thing: Kabuto never know that Madara awakened Rinnegan. What he said was that according to the research conducted by Oro and advanced by himself, the Sharingan should progress to Rinnegan. Get your facts straight please.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryr View Post
    Obito lied when he spoke to Kabuto.
    There is no reason for him to do that if Kabuto knows the truth. He performed experiments in Madara's body, and Tobi is aware of that.

    If Tobi was lying to someone, it was to the reader.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryr View Post
    Kabuto never know that Madara awakened Rinnegan.
    It appears he did:

    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox666 View Post
    There is no reason for him to do that if Kabuto knows the truth. He performed experiments in Madara's body, and Tobi is aware of that.
    The body will not have any Rinnegan on it.

    The reason why ET Madara has the Rinnegan is because ET brings back the person with all his abilities, including the eye, i.e. Rinnegan.

    Similarly, Nagato was brought back with his Rinnegan abilities, even when his real Rinnegan was already taken by Obito.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    ^Nagato died with the Rinnegan so it makes sense that he'd still have the eyes in ET.
    Madara though seems to not have died with the Rinnegan going by the latest chapter. Unless he got them back and THEN died.
    I'm guessing Kabuto's Edo Tensei can bring a person back with their old abilities automatically (like, he can go through the entire lifetime of the person and decide the age) or he actually inserted the Rinnegan into Edo Madara manually.
    Last edited by Notak; September 20, 2012 at 09:58 AM.

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    Re: Why Tobi shouldn't be Obito

    Tobi knows Torune's father?



    Tobi doesn't just have enough knowledge about the Aburame clan, but is disappointed that Shikuro's son is working for the Root.
    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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