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Translations: Gintama 506 (2)
It could have been izuna, or a portion of madara's soul (we've seen orochimaru do that. it's likely they can split their souls/chakras into different beings with some sort of chakra supplementation as filler. orochimaru used natural energy), which later used obito's body
obito's body could have been fixed up by the zetsu transformation
given that kakashi 's eye shows space/time manipulation as one of its moves, it's possible it could be used the way tobi used it too, so madara could have figured out how to better use the eye than kakashi can. He probably had a head start by unlocking mangekyou first anyway, kakashi only figured it out recently but it wouldn't be too much of a long shot to assume madara/izuna did it instantly the moment they obtained obito's corpse
They could have had more time to fool around with the eye's capabilities, and of course, to better use it from within an uchiha body
Also as I said Madara was resurrected at the state of his death with Edo Tensei, meaning that he died around 30-40 years of age, judging from his physique.
When Hashirama and Madara where that age, Hiruzen Sarutobi, the Third Hokage, was a kid
Again, it would be too much out of characterQuote:
he was talking with Kushina, when extracting Kyuubi.Quote:
Same Kyuubi which recognized his Sharingan
Yes, since Tobi had no problems when Zetsu saw him without a mask.Quote:
Remember when he replaced his arm that Danzou's Root fodders destroyed?
He was without the mask, and Zetsu called him to save Sasuke
Why then only when talking about Izuna?Quote:
What does Izuna have to do with anything?
Nagato is around Yondaime's age, he was taken in by Jiraiya when Jiraiya was around 20 years old.Quote:
At the time Obito wasn't even born, he simply doesn't fit the storyline
Can Obito spam thousands of Kage Bushins and a giant fox sealed in his gut to sped up his training and greatly increase his strenght?Quote:
No he doesn't
well latest chapter reveals
@hyper_megaman: I think that if it is Obito's eye, then it's only that, and not actually Obito himself. Also, considering how Tobi and Danzo (especially Tobi) have a monopoly on Sharingans, and how Sharingans can be similar to one another (like Itachi and Sasuke's eyes are similar to Madara's) maybe Tobi just happens to be using a Sharingan that is similar to Kakashi's.
Well he had to have known what kind of power that eye had before he implanted it.
Also is it only me, but maybe Tobi's Space-Time jutsu actually comes to some part from his own skill too? Like the Second and Fourth hokages possessed their own space-time ninjutsu without a sharingan.
And, if something like Kamui uses a lot of chakra, I wonder how Tobi can cope with it so well. Guess he's just that badass.
Tobi having similar Sharingan power as Kakashi can be attributed to kinship. Sasuke and Itachi have similar Sharingan power, but with different level of skills. Where Itachi can alter time to his choosing, Sasuke can't. Where Sasuke can control Amaterasu pretty well, Itachi can't. Where Obito can warp other stuff, his brother could warp himself. Plus, we've never seen two similar jutsu on the same person. Itachi and Sasuke have had one ninjutsu and one genjutsu.
Kabuto likely knew Madara gave Nagato his pair of Rin'negans, so maybe him resurrecting Madara to his prime meant giving him Rin'negan.
Still good catch, but Obito still wouldn't fit the timeline:
in Kushina's flashback we saw Mito, an Uzumaki ( gifted with longevity and all ) being ultra old, while Kushina was a child.
Even if Madara lived a long time, I doubt he out-lived Mito, a bona-fide Uzumaki with Kyuubi's strong life chakra
Obito is a time traveler that solves all problems
cuz one of the best lines of the manga came from obito about the nakama abandoning nakama is worse than trash ...
and that line would lose its epicness if obito is tobi..
As it was said last chapter has shown there is some connection between tobi and obito. I guess he is using obitos dead body which was revived by zetzu (explaining all the Zetzu-slime showing up when he gets hurt). Last Chapter Tobi was injured by 2 attacks, which were sent away with kamui after he demateralized. I think this means Tobi's physical body travells to the same Dimension Kamui sends absorbed objects when he becomes untouchable, which hints that his jutsu is a different version of the same jutsu (kamui).
It would be interesting if Tobi was a being created by Madara as his own experiment and not a real person. Like, if Madara realized the whole Senju + Uchiha potential, he decided to create a hybrid. Hence the "I am nobody". Although I'm still thinking he's most likely Kagami Uchiha.
Or if Tobi was Madara's son. Imagine Madara arriving at the scene vs Naruto Kakashi and Gai saying "Tobi..." with Tobi replying "Yes........father" as this Naruto track plays.
Either way it does seem Madara's revenge/hatred is the root of Naruto's plot. I'm pretty much convinced Tobi was an apprentice/underling or relative/family to Madara.
There's absolutely no point turning Tobi into someone new (including the usual suspect Kagami). Also just a clone of some sort is too simple and not really a "shocker".
That'd destroy the whole point of Kishimoto hiding his identity for that long.
It will be the biggest twist any manga has ever experienced once his mask gets blown off. And it will be a good one.
Well, we've had what Tobi said to Kakashi (if he wasn't refering to a specific situation, then that's just a waste of space), and connection between Kamui and Tobi's 2in1 S/T jutsu. So if we get something that doesn't correspond to those hints, we were trolled.
Sigh Tobi being obito woud totally not make any sense.
During the kyuubi attack Tobi was probaply THE real madera since Edo madara knew about nagato.
So even if tobi became someone else during the line (or was from the beginning)
I doubt it was a kid with no talent who got burried under some rocks with one sharingan he awakened that day...
If there would be any connection between madara and obito then there is the slight chance of him finding obito's other eye
Wich is the one he uses now with the rinnengan.
Personally I think tobi is a zetsu clone from madara with some kind of weird sharingan hax performed on him.
Or he might be something like oro is now.
Why would anyone choose Obito anyway? A talentless loser whose body was greatly damaged? Why go to lengths to revive him when he has no ounce of talent or ability? Why choose a loser Uchiha out of many superior ones?