Naruto 596 Discussion

[jaymizzo]

Im hoping no one expects him to use it as potently as Madara or Nagato.

[gnut]

i'm very impressed that kakashi figured out tobi...but i am interested in kamui now even more.
because,if tobi is untouchable in this dimension...then of course he should be vunerable in the other...

my question is...since his whole body was intangible to naruto's rasengan right...so why was it not struck immediately after kakashi warped it(around his head area)?

does kakashi's kamui store such attacks until kakashi releases them?
if so...i see kakashi warping more jutsus only to release them during the battle.i just found it weird that naruto was clear of tobi's body and the rasengan hit in the shoulder like kakashi delayed it(shrug).

because if kamui is like s/t migration...kakashi should be able to do such things willingly....

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Now that they've figured out his weakness, he's pretty much toast against three of them. But he sure has a lot more to show, I'd be disappointed if all he could do is control Bijuu, Jins and someformKamui himself. I'm counting on his usage of Rinnegan.

i truely think that is all he can do with the rinnegan...
i think the other rinnegan is in the GM to sync with it...like nagato was.this is why tobi cancelled out kakashi kamui...he's part of it so to say(once again like nagato).

[Murdock]

That's not a bad idea and Sasuke and Itachi are perfect example of your theory about MS powers.

I thought so too ... problem I have is that Tobi summoned Kyuubi - there had to be some madara's dna to do that ... also Kyuubi recognised tobi's chakra IIRC

[M3J]

I blame Either PIS or the fact that the Rinnengan is controlling Gedo.

Well, i dont think that strategy would work, from what i saw, Naruto replenished theyre chakra (atleast thats the only route that makes sense). So him doing that would just prompt Naruto to go full kyuubi again. Actually, why is Naruto not replenishing himself with full Kyuubi mode?

I don't think the rinnegan is controllin Gedo, not yet anyway. all it's doing is holding its head yelling, doesn't require any control. Only thing that makes sense is that Tobi wants to either conserve chakra or keep Rinnegan as surprise and make us and Naruto's team think he can't use Rinnegan.

How would he be able to do that, though?

Kyuubi mode doesn't replenish Naruto, not like Sage Mode is said to do. It's weird...

[Oathencrantz]

Obviously, apart from Rikudou Sennin, I don't think we'll ever see anyone utilize the Rinnegan as proficiently as Nagato. That was his area of mastery and I think he should retain that title just like how Haku was the only one could execute one-handed seals.

[ALIEN ENTITY]

To me it looks like Tobi is currently using the rinnegan to merge the tailed beast together,so as of the moment he can't use any rinnegan techs if he wanted too. Besides Gai and kakashi said they already know how to counter all the jutsu nagato use,so tobi using them would useless ,only new ones he would have to use.

[Rasengon]

It would be more likely that Uchiha Kagami was Obito's grandfather and not his father. I mean, if we are to assume Kagami is the same age as Hiruzen & Danzo that is.

I like the idea and it might turn out to be true. But it kind-of bugs me that Tobi might turn out to be someone no one fighting him will recognize. So... in that regard, who cares if his mask breaks; Naruto, Kakashi & Gai (including us, the readers) still won't gain anything from that information. We might have to wait until Tobi decides to give us his sob back-story to learn who the hell he is, even after his mask breaks.

i think Asuma and Kakashi and Gai were all in the same class so it wont be farfetched to assume Uchiha Kagamis son is Obito even if we assume hes the same age as Hiruzen

probably gonna stick with the theory Kagami is Obitos dad and MS techniques are passed down in familly such as kamui, kotoamakwhatever, amataresu.

Another theory Nagato is the son of Madara, he found an uzumaki(distant relative of senju), mated, made Nagato and stuck the rinnegan in him. He then cast a genjutsu on his supposed parents to make them think he was theirs

[Delbi]

Obviously, apart from Rikudou Sennin, I don't think we'll ever see anyone utilize the Rinnegan as proficiently as Nagato. That was his area of mastery and I think he should retain that title just like how Haku was the only one could execute one-handed seals.

I think Madara used the Rinnegan much better than Nagato. Madara thus far has proved to be the most skilled ninja we have ever seen from a multitude of angles, so much so that he's toying with 5 kages and managed to some how break Edo Tensei.

As for Haku and the one-handed seals, I'm not so much impressed with that anymore given the fact we see ninja execute techniques like Chidori and Raikiri with no hand seals anymore.

[jjpower]

Obviously, apart from Rikudou Sennin, I don't think we'll ever see anyone utilize the Rinnegan as proficiently as Nagato. That was his area of mastery and I think he should retain that title just like how Haku was the only one could execute one-handed seals.

Wasn't Itachi able to do seals with one hand also?

[insid3rkill3r]

Wasn't Itachi able to do seals with one hand also?

If i saw correctly, Itachi, Minato and Kabuto were all able to perform 1handed seals.

[ninjabot]

Anyway, is Tobi only stickin to Sharingan because uses up less chakra than Rinnegan? If he chose to use Rinnegan, he could probably end the battle much earlier or do much better than he is currently. He's gonna have to resort to either Rinnegan or keep making Kakashi use Kamui so he runs out of chakra.

We all gotta remember that Tobi's been using his Rinnegan from the beginning of their fight. How was he controlling his Edo-rikki? That's right: with Pein's coprse controlling rods which is a Rinnegan specific ability. He also shared eyesight with them which was a Rinnegan specific ability and he's also been controlling Gedo Mazo which is also Rinnegan oriented.

Just because he isn't using the realm abilities doesn't mean the Rinnegan isn't being used.

[jaymizzo]

As for Haku and the one-handed seals, I'm not so much impressed with that anymore given the fact we see ninja execute techniques like Chidori and Raikiri with no hand seals anymore.

Seriously, whatever happened to the "Ninja" aspect of the manga?

[Delbi]

Seriously, whatever happened to the "Ninja" aspect of the manga?

It died with Jiraiya. RIP Ero Sennin.

[M3J]

We all gotta remember that Tobi's been using his Rinnegan from the beginning of their fight. How was he controlling his Edo-rikki? That's right: with Pein's coprse controlling rods which is a Rinnegan specific ability. He also shared eyesight with them which was a Rinnegan specific ability and he's also been controlling Gedo Mazo which is also Rinnegan oriented.

Just because he isn't using the realm abilities doesn't mean the Rinnegan isn't being used.

Oh, I know that, but what about now? All he's been doing is phasing. Only time I know he used his Rinnegan was when he summoned the Gedo Mazou. Out of that, it's questionable if he's controlling it since it's just screaming.


While Kakashi, Gai, and Naruto know how to counter Rinnegan, it doesn't mean that'll help them. Naruto fought Rinnegan before and still nearly got owned (for plot purposes, though). It's all about how Tobi fights.

[Delbi]

He did try and rip out Naruto's soul with Human Realms technique if I remember correctly.