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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
It's strange that we've not seen anything to indicate the jutsu Tobi is using is a MS jutsu. His eye has not once changed while using it, unlike with Kakashi's Kamui but they have to be related. In this interview Kishi confirms a few things for us, one of them being that Tobi and Madara do indeed know one another.
It could be someone using Obito's eye, it could be Obito. The fact that we know this other dimension exists yet have no idea on how much time may pass in that dimension, or who else had access to such jutsu etc. raises a lot questions. The only thing we can confirm at this point is that Kamui and this "One Jutsu" are related in some way.
I for one believe we were shown Obito's death for a reason.
Let Dr Snakes enjoy his time with Oro and Taka.
Kamui is indeed haxed, yet Tobi uses a more advanced version of it, and Kakashi wounded him not by overpowering it but simply by being smart, something that can't be said for any fight in this manga since... well, forever.
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So what??? Tobi gets hurt because Kakashi sends attacks to another dimension??? I don't get it. It's stupid...Why he gets hurt now but they didn't hurt him when they fought Pein and Kakashi send send his attacks to another dimension...or when he fought Deidara at the beginning of the Shippuuden? Please someone explain this chapter to me.
P.S Do you guys think that they're jutsus are connected because it's Obito's second eye? If that's so then- If Tobi is not Obito- Obito would be BADASS.
Last edited by Masterpice; August 01, 2012 at 05:46 AM.
Madara lost to the 1st Hokage and "died" but eventually escaped to hide somewhere and come up with a plan.
For some reason he needed an Uchiha body as a medium to live on, since his old body was dying, but he was too weak to fight an Uchiha so luckily he stubled upon an almost dead (or maybe even completely dead) Obito and used his body to create a new "shell" for himself. Afterwards he left his old body somehwere nobody would find it (in order to revive himself with Rinnengan later on, when the time is right). This could also be the reason Itachi said "He is just a shell of his former self", he meant that he's a weaker form of Madara with limited powers.
Why he has two personalities (Tobi vs. Edo Tensei Madara) beats me, but there could be a lot explanations to that. Tobi changing over time, Obito being part of the personality, whatever.
And he could fight Minato because Madara gave his powers to the body (somehow).
Or maybe Tobi just found Obito's body, stole the eye and found that ability so awesome that he made it his signature move.
But you're right about this taking to long, I want to finally find out who the hell is beneath the mask.
Kakashi did not use so much chakra. he just sent away small objects... but he makes two raiden clone..
About this sharingan's thing. i have a theory. Perhaps it's not about Obito's eyes power. perhaps it's just the jutsu ability for mangekyo sharingan for no-uchiha users. the implant of the MS eyes for an uchiha user is allow him to use one more powerful jutsu like Itachi told to Sasuke.so it's could be related for a non-uchiha.
So it could be Obito's eye... or not. it doesn't matter. For me Tobi is just some kind of Madara's zetsu clone. An Uchiha spirit blessed with a body maked by DNA research with the blood of the first hokage. and finaly he implants a new sharingan in his body so he can handle a new eye power with is weaken body, or this ability is just the consequence of his new body whose is not an uchiha body.
And like someone told before me, every eyes have his power, one to cast and one to control.
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If that is Obito's second eye....WOW. Obito would be the strongest Uchiha ever if he would be alive...That would be another overpowered Uchiha.
1- in Naruto real world dimension !!!
2- in another place in that goddamn dimension !!!
well , maybe yes , but I doubt he could stand against another uchihas overpower jutsu .... Amatrusu/Susanoo/Tsukiumi/Akatsumi and etc.Quote:
Last edited by shafagh; August 01, 2012 at 05:58 AM.
I'm interested over the fact that no one has thought about how the power of Rasengan gets weaker and stronger without real reason. I remember when Naruto and Sasuke were about to clash and Rasengan was so much stronger than chidori, only to get equal when they fought for the last time before the time skip. But to get to the topic, when Naruto did a regular Rasengan against Pain it did crazy damage and had immense force, now his ultimate-bijuu-mode rasengan has the same destructive power as a simple explosive tag.
Real Madara could've been the one who gave Nagato the Rinnengan and once he felt the aging taking the upper hand of his body he searched for a new medium and found Obito.
I know it's a little crazy, but it could've been like that. And I honestly don't know anymore who Kishi wants to surprise us with otherwise. Aside from introducing a completely new character.
And if its obitos other eye........who else knew were obito's body was...you dont just stumble upon a pile of rubble in war time and say "hey lets dig this up to see if theres a body under it"....so long story short.....Tobi is Rin..using Obitos other eye.......she knew were his body was.....we never herd a thing about her death or what happened after obitos death....all we know is Kakashi feels regret around her death because he failed to save her.....so thats my bet lol
As before I still think Tobi is Madara's brother Izuna, who didn't die (why would he, no one in Naruto would ever die from something like taking his eyes out? why not take the eyes of some other uchiha shinobi who died on the battlefield)
Izuna after the death of Madara took the DNA of the first (somehow) and was given the mission to collect all sharingan of dead Uchiha and was to find a way to revive his brother (Madara).
Somewhen he got his hands on Obito's right eye, who was crushed under a rock but his eye survived. With this eye he got the power of Obitos Kamui.
His fluid body has is some way to do with Zetsu, whom Izuna created after he got the firsts DNA... You just need to wonder why create Zetsu in the first place... just for that war?... maybe while experimenting with the firsts DNA Izuna first created zetsu and afterwards put the dna in himself... after all zetsu following and knowing Tobi means that he created him...
And all that stuff about Orochimaru is simply that he found out about Izuna's experiments with the firsts DNA (somewhere here is maybe a connection to Yamato - unless if he was made by Danzou)
That scroll which Team Taka found is probably something about creating Zetsus? dunno
You bet the chapter when Madara arrives at Naruto's location the chapters name will be "brothers reunion"