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Anything is "possible"... Kishi can do what he wants and he could decide that next chapter suddenly the world explodes... its highly improbable but not impossible! Thats the kind of nitpicking you are doing here.Quote:
You tell me I'am subjective because I claim that somethings impossible based on what the Manga has explicitly shown us and your reasoning is "because it could be a lie..." and when I try to explain that this is nonsense by pointing out that going by such logic pretty much anything in this Manga could be a lie, I'am suddenly a 12 years old... great...
You know... I don't feel like discussing this for pages, so lets just leave it as it is right now, cause its more or less off-topic anyway.
awesome how kurama says that! they are about to fight again in that bijumode,and maybe it will be even better this time! I mean,more completed.
As for basing your judgement on facts, we don't have all the facts regarding how Tobi or whoever gave Nagato his Rinnegan yet.
Improbable is subjective, and can be discussed. Impossible is an absolute, and can't be discussed. That's a pretty significant difference worth pointing out.Originally Posted by LnDRash
That's not my reasoning. That is merely one of many reasons, one of many possibilities. An example.Originally Posted by LnDRash
The point was that it's not impossible, and there are many possibilities that can be discussed.
Last edited by Alexis; August 11, 2012 at 03:46 PM.
uhm ok,so tobi got that eye after obito's death,but where did he take the other sharingans? probably during the uchihas' massacre,although danzo took some of them too.
Uchiha massacre could be one. Who knows how long he has been doing that though. Danzou stole Shisui's eye before the massacre I believe, so Tobi could have been at it for many years.
It didn't necessarily had to come from the massacre. If Tobi is from Madara's or the third Hokage's Era then there's lots of potential noname Uchihas which could have died during missions, wars or other events.
this makes me quite disappointed with Kakashi and how he developed his sharingan. If he has the same sharingan with Tobi that makes his kamui quite lame in comparison...
shame obito died. he would have been a beast!
No big surprise here, but im quite happy that its finally confirmed that Tobi's eye is Obito's.
As far as Tobi goes, i still dont think that its Obito behind the mask, ill say that i believe it's his body but not his mind.
Although at this point, given the speech / lecture he gave to Kakashi, he could have been manipulated by Madara himself.
Tobi is either Obito that has is or has been genjutsu ed by Madara, or he is Madara himself somehow. I dont see anybody else fitting the profile. Izuna is to me certainly dead, as Madara sure as hell looked extremely hateful and pissed off when talking about his ''dead'' brother. And he himself talked about Tobi as someone he knows so there aint going to be a surprise when they encounter.
Um guys... it's Obito. It seems like it can't possibly be him, but it is. Did you read the spoiler, and what he was saying to Kakashi???
He failed to save Rin. Kakashi failed after Obito entrusted his eye to him. Minato failed to protect his students. Obito survived somehow, and when he came back to Konoha, he found Kakashi apologizing at his grave. In his grief and despair, he was found by Madara, who passed on his knowledge, Hashirama's DNA, and probably some of his own chakra.
Obito used to believe in heroes, but now he wants to make a world where "heroes" won't have to apologize for their failures in front of the graves of their friends.
It's absolutely Obito, that's why Kakashi was so affected by Tobi's words, and almost had a heart attack! (Guy asking if he was okay, etc.)
There are many reasons why it shouldn't be him, but it is. There's an explanation somewhere (maybe Madara was the masked man before Obito took over the role?)
But I expect Tobi wears the mask for the same reason he wore the goggles: to hide his tears.
Oh please, it's already been explained to death why Tobi can't PHYSICALLY be Obito. It would make absolutely no sense, not to mention personality, knowledge and power wise in relation to the Kyuubi attack.
What he says in this chapter proves jack. He would technically gain it on the bridge incident where Obito died as that's when Obito gained it, and Tobi stole his eye. It's been obvious for YEARS that Tobi has Obito's eye, come on. If you notice that now, go "aha!" or didn't believe it before now you're seriously slow.
Tobi is not Obito( despite me earlier thinking he was) he does however have obitos eye.
one thing we know now that he was present at the bridge Obito died. Obitos body must have been recovered. I still maintain that Kagami was his dad and took his eye for memento or whatever. Kagami was a spy for Madara which is why he knew so much about him and about konoha and techniques like izanagi. Kakashi probably told jounin Kagami that he would protect Obito.
Why is it physically impossible for Tobi to be Obito?
It cant be because of the physical dmg he received from the fallen rock as the eye was fine enough for it to be used by Tobi.
Tobi uses Zetzu's cells to repair himself when he needs to, the same could be done with Obito's body as he is doing it on his own.
And Kakashi was like 15 years old if im not mistaken when Kyuubi attacked, Obito was as old if not older by a year, he could very be as tall as Minato as he was taller than Kakashi and Minato is currently shorter than Kakashi.
I dont see where its actually impossible.
Last edited by insid3rkill3r; August 11, 2012 at 05:49 PM.