Let's Try and Piece together the Mystery that is "Tobi" - Images Provided

[Notak]

@Rasengon: Great points. Just more reasons why I support the Kagami theory. A looot of things point towards him.
Tobi seems to know hell of a lot about Konoha, even insider info. I bet he's a real Uchiha too.

Like you Rasengon, I've guessed that Kagami was a type of spy sent by Madara. Maybe Madara wanted to stay hidden because of his injuries from the battle with Hashirama. So he sent Kagami to join Tobirama's squad - the next best person to spy on. Leader of the Senju, Hashirama's brother, and Hokage.

[Rasengon]

So that's make obito as old as the sannin, right?

Asuma, kakashi and Gai and Obito were in the same class. The third is asumas dad. Kagami was in the same class as the third meaning Kagami and the third are around the same age

[MangaPage]

So that's make obito as old as the sannin, right?

Obito could never be as old as the sannin because he was a pupil of a pupil of Jiraya, a sannin. That’s quite a big difference in age. If Kagami was his dad, like Rasengon said, it would make him about the same age as Kakashi, which fits the theory. I don’t understand why you think he would be the age of a sannin.

[kidopitz27]

i really don't like the idea of Obito = Tobi but there is always a big "IF" in all situations like

While I am not too sure about the Obito theory, I am beginning to think that the eye that Tobi is using right now belongs to Obito, mainly because it has already been shown that two sharingans from the same person would have similar but not totally identical abilties.

The key phrase here is "similar but not totally identical'.

For instance, Sasuke's left eye creates Amateraru while his right eye extinguishes it.

Shisui's left eye (which was given to Itachi) produces Kotoamakatsumi that has a permanent effect, but his right eye which was stolen by Danzou has a channelling effect (i.e. Danzou has to keep focusing on Mifune).

Now with regard to Obito's eyes, I am thinking that the one that he gave to Kakashi is the 'offensive' type (i.e. the Kamui can be cast on opponents miles away), but the one that is currently in Tobi's possession is the 'defensive' type (i.e. it can be used on himself to avoid attacks etc).

What if ? Obito activated that kind of ability and pass thru or went to another dimension (where he send sasuke) and stays there for a while

or he teleported himself to another place or time that he met someone on that timeline........

[Notak]

This is the rest of Tobi's face filled in, just before he stabbed Konan.
The pic may of course not be completely accurate, but it is a fair attempt at showing Tobi's entire face. If you ask me his jaw is probably not that wide though.
(Click here if the above link is broken)



Some food for thought. Kagami's face + Tobi's mask = Looks like a young Tobi


Zetsu's face in human/Tobi form.

Source: Googled, the images were made by other Naruto fans and of course not me.

[Sunny-Go]

Iam realy confused after this Chapter. It doesnt make sense at all.

First of all, Obito's 2nd Eye was destroyed by a huge stone and in my opinion Obito clearly died that time as well.

But even if the Eye wasn't destroyed. Noone beside Kakashi Rin and the 4th knew where to look for Obito's Body. How did Tobi knew then?

Having such a huge Sharingan collection and only using one, makes it look like Tobi was waiting for a specific Uchiha Trait in order to start his Plan.
This would make him a lot older than most of us think he is.

And what's with Kakashi standing infront of a small gravestone? Obito wasn't buried, but ingraved in the big Stone. It obviously shows that Kakashi's not thinkin about Obito, but with no clue for us to guess again. Thats just cruel by the Author and i dont like it.

He drags this identity Topic way to much and it better be plausible in the end.

[MangaPage]

i really don't like the idea of Obito = Tobi but there is always a big "IF" in all situations like



What if ? Obito activated that kind of ability and pass thru or went to another dimension (where he send sasuke) and stays there for a while

or he teleported himself to another place or time that he met someone on that timeline........

I don’t think that’s probable. If we assume Obito was still good when he supposedly died, then it really was the first time he activated the sharingan. In that case he couldn’t have in a minute passed from awakening a basic sharigan to awakening a MS and use its powers (lets not exaggerate on the miracles we image). If we assume Obito was already bad by that time, then he could have been faking and have already awakened MS, but in that case why would he give his sharingan to Kakashi? He knew Kakashi was very talented and might be able to awaken MS with his eye, and he was aware, of course, that if that happened it would cause him trouble, like it’s happening now. So I’m nearly sure Obito really did die back then. It’s more probable that Tobi stole the eye from Obito, although I also find it unlikely.

Also, I don’t think it’s possible to travel to another time. Space-time ninjutsu is called like that because it allows someone to go to another place, no matter how far, in a second, and so ignoring time. You can’t really travel into the past or future, if that’s what you meant by teleported himself to another time.

[Delbi]

Iam realy confused after this Chapter. It doesnt make sense at all.

First of all, Obito's 2nd Eye was destroyed by a huge stone and in my opinion Obito clearly died that time as well.

But even if the Eye wasn't destroyed. Noone beside Kakashi Rin and the 4th knew where to look for Obito's Body. How did Tobi knew then?

Having such a huge Sharingan collection and only using one, makes it look like Tobi was waiting for a specific Uchiha Trait in order to start his Plan.
This would make him a lot older than most of us think he is.

And what's with Kakashi standing infront of a small gravestone? Obito wasn't buried, but ingraved in the big Stone. It obviously shows that Kakashi's not thinkin about Obito, but with no clue for us to guess again. Thats just cruel by the Author and i dont like it.

He drags this identity Topic way to much and it better be plausible in the end.

Zetsu would certainly be able to attain the body after all he can move through the earth and any material. So retrieving the eye and body wouldn't be a problem, but this is assuming Zetsu eve existed during that time.

As for having the Sharigan collection, it must be because he was looking for certain Sharigan's that have certain powers. We known Obito, Shusui, Sasuke, and Itachi all had unique eyes given either their special traits or massive powers. Not to mention having a mass quantity would allow for the use of Izanagi quite a few times.

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I'm still going with Izuna as being our front runner for being Tobi. He has motivation (his brother's exile, and treatment by Konoha and his clan, along with his own personal accomplishments being overlooked, and the years of fighting which would make him strive for peace) the drive and intelligence (he was a genius on par with his brother in skill) and the resources and knowledge (access to secret tablet and his brother's idea of gaining the Rinnegan).

Obito makes no sense for the soul reason he probably died, was talentless for the most part, and didn't have the ambition, intelligence, or know how to do what Tobi is doing.

His older brother would make even less sense. Plenty of people lose loved one's in war, there's no reason Obito's brother would do such a thing.

Kagami also has no motivation as far as we know. He is simply a faceless Uchiha who was given a name. Nothing about him stands out in the manga, he was shown in lone chapter out of nearly 600. We know nothing about his life, and he is just as likely a candidate as any other Uchiha.

[Cyrs]

It's Obito. Read the Kakashi gaiden chapters, then read the latest couple chapters. And the war's been leading up to this, read the Kabuto vs Itachi fight, Itachi criticizes Kabuto for acting like he's Orochimaru. Tobi has been acting like Madara. (And if you want to get all mad because it's impossible for Tobi to be Obito, then re-read where Itachi sealed Orochimaru in his sword, then read when Sasuke revived Orochimaru. One of many "impossible" things made possible by an explanation from the author.)

Read the latest chapter, and what Tobi's saying to Kakashi. The author is beating us over the head with Tobi being Obito. We'll see in the next few chapters how it's possible.

If you really hate the idea, then I'd say prepare to be very disappointed, or stop reading.
I'm out.

[Delbi]

Orochimaru coming back makes sense at least. He split his soul into pieces similar to what Voldemort did in Harry Potter.

As for the author beating us over the head with him being Obito, wouldn't it make more sense for him to do that and later reveal he isn't Obito? Where is the fun for shadowing something like that right before it happens?

[Zoul]

he is obito, the last chapter pretty much revealed that he is angry at kakashi for not being able to protect the girl in their original team. He asked kakashi to protect her, hence the entire speech to naruto about not being able to fulfill other people's hopes. (like Delbi said, the author is beating us in the head that he IS obito, and is giving us a reason why he has to do all these things.)

[Delbi]

I don't think he's Obito wait a minute...and honestly, even if Tobi was Obito, wouldn't it make more sense for Tobi to get revenge on Kakashi instead of going for world domination and bringing ever lasting false peace?

Obito never wanted peace, he's killed people in cold blood before in case you all forgot. He was a ninja, who wanted to be known, whereas Tobi says he is "no one".

And let's not even get to the fact that even if he survived, how would he attain all the power and knowledge Tobi has? Makes ZERO sense, regardless of what Tobi is saying to Kakashi and Naruto. When speaking of promises, he could be speaking of promises that Madara made to Izuna that Madara failed to live up to (I think Tobi is Izuna).

[hyper_megaman]

he is obito, the last chapter pretty much revealed that he is angry at kakashi for not being able to protect the girl in their original team. He asked kakashi to protect her, hence the entire speech to naruto about not being able to fulfill other people's hopes. (like Delbi said, the author is beating us in the head that he IS obito, and is giving us a reason why he has to do all these things.)

angry for what

kakashi did protect rin

[syx]

angry for what

kakashi did protect rin

According to Kakashi he wasn't able to protect Rin and broke his promise to Obito.

Though I'm not supporting the Obito=Tobi theory, because it would make no bloody sense imo.

[hyper_megaman]

According to Kakashi he wasn't able to protect Rin and broke his promise to Obito.

Though I'm not supporting the Obito=Tobi theory, because it would make no bloody sense imo.

oh which means rin died later, and it wasn't referring to the events where obito died