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    Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    Nothing really to say here so...

    Onto the Review!

    Chapter Summary

    After all we've seen of his past there can be no doubt what his greatest treasure is.


    This week resumes with Ragar and Gejutel in pursuit of Frankenstein and considering his words about corrupted nobles. Both seem to sense some truth in what he said and Ragar even suggests that the Lord probably already knows if such a problem exists, since he is so wise*chuckle*. As this conversation ends they are surprised to find that Frankenstein's trail led them to Raizel's doorstep. Reluctantly, the pair heads inside to investigate.

    Meanwhile, inside Frankenstein explores that mansion yet finds no one until he happens upon Raizel again, as he stands and staring out a window. To Frankenstein the solitude is almost tangible. Raizel interrupts his thoughts and asks him why he's still wearing one of his shirts and when Frankenstien replies that he couldn't find anything else. Raizel creates a butler outfit on him with a wave of his hand. Frankenstein is stunned by this and wonders if he might be a clan leader to have this power which he had apparently never heard of.

    As he considers this. Raizel tells Frankenstein that he feels hatred, rage, and a desire to kill emanating from his power and asks why all these emotions are directed at Frankenstein himself, the master of that power.

    Frankenstein is dumbstruck, reeling from the fact that this person somehow knows so much about his powers. Things appear to get worse for him just then as Gejutel and Ragar catch up to him at last and walk into the room. They are both halted by the sight of Raizel though. Frankenstein initially misinterprets this respect to mean that Raizel is the Lord, but this is quickly dispelled when Gejutel explains to Raizel that they have been charged with capturing this person and bringing him to the Lord.

    Much to everyone's surprise however Raizel tell them that Frankenstein works in his mansion. Gejutel recovers first and asks Raizel to elaborate a little on what exactly Frankenstein "does". Raizel tells him that, since the mansion is otherwise empty, Frankenstein does everything. Gejutel, slightly stunned, asks if he's his butler and Frankenstein jumps on that idea and confirms that he is a butler and Raizel goes along with it. Then Raizel tells the pair that he will escort Frankenstein to the Lord a bit later, a gesture that Frankenstein recognizes is to help give him some time to recover. Again Frankenstein is surprised by the fact that the Clan leaders simply abide by Raizel wishes and leave.

    A little later Ragar and Gejutel give their report to the Lord. Who laughs and is deeply pleased by the way this turned out, as it means Raizel won't be alone. But as Gejutel moves on to the Frankenstein accusations against Nobles the Lords eyes turn serous.

    Meanwhile, back at the mansion Frankenstein introduces himself and Raizel does the same. Then things switch back to the present time where Frankenstein happily watches as his master is surrounded by laughter and how much has changed for him since those days.


    Chapter Review

    "Is this.....the aura of a peeping god!"


    Substance

    This chapter concluded the reminisce and showed us both the foundations of what would become Frankenstein loyalty to his master and what causes the previous to lord to order the elder generation of clan leaders into eternal sleep.

    For Frankenstein his expectations of Nobles clearly never included someone like Raizel. Someone who helped him when he had no reason to do so while seeing through everything he was trying to hide. As an added bonus we got to see where Franky learned the making clothes trick that some wondered about; apparently, that one is a Raizel original.

    The little scene at the end with Lord also has a lot of meaning to it. That serous yet sad look on a man who always looks so lighthearted says to me that he knew Frankenstein was telling the truth. If you think about the decision to force the elder nobles to go into eternal slumber with him was like him trying to eliminate or at least reveal the worst of the corrupted nobles and bet everything on the next generation being more able to adapt to a new world. I find this particularly interesting because, though we always knew "what" the previous Lord did, until now I feel like we never full understood "why".

    Presentation

    I would rate the art as a little below average for Noblesse. Character detail was fairly low but I didn't feel that it got in the way of conveying the emotion so I won't penalize that excessively. Background work was low detail for the most part and mainly in black and white, which I think was probably an artistic choice to give Raizel's mansion and empty lonely feel; it still felt a little lacking to me though.

    I liked the pacing quite a bit. This chapter really sped through a lot of things to bring this Flashback story to a close in this chapter but none of it felt rushed. The transition from past to present felt a little bit sudden but I did like the idea behind it; using that transition to compared Raizel's previous solitary existence with his new one among a circle of friends.

    Final Rating
    A really enjoyable end to this Frankenstien Backstory arc. It didn't quite shine in the art department though.

    I give it a 3 out of 5


    Hopes for this Arc: Final Score
    • (COMPLETE) Seeing the Gejutel & Ragar versus Frankenstein fight that was mention earlier in the series.
    • (COMPLETE) Learning where Frankenstein's devotion to his master comes from
    • (COMPLETE) Learning how Frankenstein and Raizel met.
    • (COMPLETE) Learning the origins of the dark spear.
    • (INCOMPLETE) Seeing what Raskriea looked like when she was a little girl.

      Apparently, seeing a young Raskriea with cute little bows in her hair, wearing a frilly pink dress, and possibly hugging a teddy bear or riding a pony was too much to ask(the Previous Lord was the type of father to make all that happen too). I still maintain it would have been awesome.


    My Previous Predictions(Current Record 17-18)

    Nothing proven or disproven.

    Spoiler: Ongoing show


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    So, what next?
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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    "That's still my shirt"??? Alright. It's official. They are gay... Damn I still like this series.

    Is that cool? Or am I supposed to lose Grand Theft Auto & Modern Warfare achievement points for this? I get to keep my Halo helmet right?

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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Otters11 View Post
    "That's still my shirt"??? Alright. It's official. They are gay... Damn I still like this series.

    Is that cool? Or am I supposed to lose Grand Theft Auto & Modern Warfare achievement points for this? I get to keep my Halo helmet right?
    It's cool.

    Did you ever see the movie "The 300" some of the greatest warriors in history and in reality those guys were pretty much all gay by modern standards. Raizel is probably both old enough to have lived in Sparta or ancient Greece. Where the social activities included getting naked, oiled up, and wrestling another man.
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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    M-21 X Yonsu isn't happening. :P

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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    Honestly I really did not like this chapter. I've liked every chapter except this one. ~ Even Frankensteins necktie bothered me...? What the F*? I haven't gone back to other chapters to see what is different about it.

    Frankenstein is normally very funny. I like the principle mode. The idea that someone so dangerous wants to protect is really amusing.
    M-21 is straight. Don't even go there. The computer nerd I suspect just because of the off shoulder sweater. But he's pretty cool.
    It's bad enough I have admitted, something I will deny as not happening between the two main characters next time I read.
    If they start doing anymore awkward relationships that will be too much.

    Post Script, Could someone tell the Unicorn Administrator to please turn down the pink color levels or reduce the size of his signature unicorns. His post count is ridiculously high, so I don't want to offend him directly. ~ I understand. Good for you. Please invoke your magical senses to realize that is a monstrous color clash with this forum. The whole reason comic readers prefer Manhwa titles over Manga titles, is the much healthier or more positive idea of what a Hetero Hero's story lines should be like. Such as The Breaker, Tower of God, & Sunken Rock. Humor and positive role models even when dealing with shady topics.

    Noblesse is still a good series. But chapter 244... why the f* does that neck ties bother the hell out of me? It was more gay than the chapter. ~ I can deal with "pirate clothing." But I hate 80's ties.

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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostyMouse View Post
    M-21 X Yonsu isn't happening. :P
    I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Jammin View Post
    I reject your reality and substitute my own.
    Jammin, are you part of the gay mafia? Seem straight to me... searching the inter-webs... oi, my bad. Misunderstood FrostyMouse's post. http://noblesse.wikia.com/wiki/Na_Yonsu ~ With the way chapter 244 ended I was thinking he meant M-21 and the other person doing the dishes. ~ This series went to hell here and so did my thinking. ~ But what he meant was M-21 and the Female KSA agent. (Um Jammin, just a note. Did they not say she is married?) If so. Good for you in either case. Married super-models at the gym, are a test of beliefs that I can understand failing when she tempts you. At this point in my life, I recommend biting all the ass that offers itself, so long as you don't already have one at home, cause you then have more to lose than them.

    Spoiler Box: Interesting idea about the Union. But according to the story the Union is supposed to represent the human's standing against those with power. (Though in reality just as in the story. Unions eventually mix with management blood and get just as corrupt, is not more so.)
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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Otters11 View Post
    Jammin, are you part of the gay mafia? Seem straight to me... searching the inter-webs... oi, my bad. Misunderstood FrostyMouse's post. http://noblesse.wikia.com/wiki/Na_Yonsu ~ With the way chapter 244 ended I was thinking he meant M-21 and the other person doing the dishes. ~ This series went to hell here and so did my thinking. ~ But what he meant was M-21 and the Female KSA agent. (Um Jammin, just a note. Did they not say she is married?) If so. Good for you in either case. Married super-models at the gym, are a test of beliefs that I can understand failing when she tempts you. At this point in my life, I recommend biting the all the ass that offers itself, so long as you don't already have one at home, cause you then have more to lose than them.

    Spoiler Box: Interesting idea about the Union. But according to the story the Union is supposed to represent the human's standing against those with power. (Though in reality just as in the story. Unions eventually mix with management blood and get just as corrupt, is not more so.)
    Gay mafia? I don't even know what that is but it sounds hilarious and awesome.

    Haha, if your asking if I'm personally gay the answer is "no", I prefer the fairer sex.

    If your asking if I'm rooting for characters to be gay in Noblesse, the answer is actually "yes". Though I typically prefer characters in the various series I read to be straight, because most often I feel like I can relate to them better, I find myself rooting for Frankenstein to be gay because him being in love with Raizel really would fit so well with his actions and motivations. So I'd be pretty pleased to see that happen. As an added bonus it feels like the cool characters are never gay, tending to stick pretty close to silly stereotypes, and I feel like it would be refreshing to see a gay character be like Frankenstein for once.

    Raizel on the other hand I feel like is an A-sexual character. Straight and gay don't even apply to him because at his core he's so different from everybody else.

    In terms of M-21 and Yontsu. Sangeen is indeed her husband. Which is why as you read my various predictions you will notice a trend of me constantly thinking up new and bizarre ways for him to be removed from my pairing agenda.
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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    I ship Franky X Seira, which is worlds better than M-21 X Yonsu anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostyMouse View Post
    I ship Franky X Seira, which is worlds better than M-21 X Yonsu anyway.


    Why would you say such a cruel thing?
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    Why would you say such a cruel thing?
    While neither of them actually has any chance of occurring, it's just more awesome. Franky turned a Clan Leader into a maid. What a boss!

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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Jammin View Post
    Gay mafia? I don't even know what that is but it sounds hilarious and awesome.
    It is, especially with the amount of bishies running around in Noblesse...

    I have a question, although it's still a bit early to judge this...but the authors took the break, because they were disappointed by the quality of their writing...do you get the sense that this break was a needed one, and that it actually helped? Because to me it seems that this flashback means that they won't rush things like they did in the previous arcs, where at some points they seemed like they just lacked inspiration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by benelori View Post
    It is, especially with the amount of bishies running around in Noblesse...

    I have a question, although it's still a bit early to judge this...but the authors took the break, because they were disappointed by the quality of their writing...do you get the sense that this break was a needed one, and that it actually helped? Because to me it seems that this flashback means that they won't rush things like they did in the previous arcs, where at some points they seemed like they just lacked inspiration...
    I can only guess, but I suspect the break was more for the artist than the writer. It's important to remember that stuff like Noblesse is a full color comic released every week and I'm not even sure if manhwa artists have assistants like many manga artists gets.

    In terms of writing I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary other than that the content that was being worked through was basically an extended flashback, which doesn't leave the same flexibility that the writing normally has. Which I suspect will pay off in the long run because when an author wants to explain things that have happened in the past in order to set the stage for coming events there are basically 3 options.
    • A character just talking about it
      Which flows well but tends to be too dry unless it's done just right, and even then doesn't deliver things with the same clarity.
    • Doing a bunch of short flashbacks
      Which delivers information at the right time but tends to ruin the pacing of whatever happens to be going on at that time.
    • Doing a full blown sub story
      Which maintains clarity and since it's self containing doesn't interfere with pacing. The danger with this is that the story being told can't be excessively long or it drags terribly; and also needs to stand on it own to some degree.

    The flashback arc wasn't as good as Noblesse normally would be, since almost the entire supporting cast was absent and we knew how it would turn out, but it got us the information and perspective the author thinks we need moving forward in the least painful way possible.
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    Jammin, Brilliant Summary. Never knew the three different type. And the third one is exactly what killed Vagabond. Excessive Sub stories and completely seperate character stories without a clue of when they would return to the primary character.

    Benelori, I'd arrest you for the public indecency for having a colorful unicorn sig that larger than you post in a black and white manga thread. Too disrupting. But Frosty Deadmou5 has a sig I don't like either. ~ What is amazing is that it is a picture of Sera performing necromancy on Shoe-in, followed by Benelori reaction, followed by two horns... kind of fits together.
    http://www.gazette.com/articles/say-...n-springs.html

    Speaking of fitting together, FrostyMau5.... She knows how to work a Death Scythe. She's more than old enough. And she's not married.

    Post Script, ^^ damn this is a Noblesse forum not Breaker. Damn. Well the argument still sounds good. No offense Benelori. If dead sex offends you target FrostyMau5. Still that cut off unicorn text should be cropped out of the picture. It'd be lot cleaner.
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    Re: Noblesse Chapter 244 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by benelori View Post
    It is, especially with the amount of bishies running around in Noblesse...

    I have a question, although it's still a bit early to judge this...but the authors took the break, because they were disappointed by the quality of their writing...do you get the sense that this break was a needed one, and that it actually helped? Because to me it seems that this flashback means that they won't rush things like they did in the previous arcs, where at some points they seemed like they just lacked inspiration...
    From what I remember, it was because the quality of the art had dropped, not the story.

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