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    Bleach Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Whose abilities give them the best chance against the Sternritters? My top choices are Kenpachi (no bankai to steal, killed 3 without even removing his eyepatch), Ukitake (immense power & the ability to use attacks against the attacker), and (if he will use his real shikai) Yumichika- his spirit-vampire of a blade seems like an excellent counter to their abilities. I don't know what Unohana's offensive abilities are but she may be another good option. Your choices?
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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Ukitake was the first one I thought of as the fight progressed. His ability is not Bankai so it can't get stolen. Shinji should also be a great addition, he wasn't impressive against Aizen but I believe that is because their abilities were so simillar and Aizen simply did it better. These Quicy are not Aizen, styles does make fights so Shinji, maybe paired with Kensei in his masked state would make an excellent option. Shinji confuses, Kensei kicks ass.
    Really we have to look at all the shinigami that are strong without their bankai and here Kenny clearly is the best option

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Aizen with KS. Shunsui's shikai imo should be difficult to counter as well.

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Obviously the seniors who have unreal power even when in Shikai state. Aizen, of course, with his complete hypnosis, to follow.
    I also suggest Soifon's name. Her speed may be too much even for Sternritters and she doesn't need deep wounds or whatsoever to kill her opponent. That's a big plus against blut defense, in my opinion.

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hakuteiken View Post
    Obviously the seniors who have unreal power even when in Shikai state. Aizen, of course, with his complete hypnosis, to follow.
    I also suggest Soifon's name. Her speed may be too much even for Sternritters and she doesn't need deep wounds or whatsoever to kill her opponent. That's a big plus against blut defense, in my opinion.
    Not to mention she has shunko which can be devastating, remember how Yoruichi broke Aizen's shell?

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Hopefully Yamamoto can punch the lights out of some.

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Yamamoto has proven before that he is deadly even without a weapon. His shikai alone should hold anybody at line, even forcing SR to remain on defensive mode all the time.
    Soifon is really fast and really strong, even above Yoruichi. She also has Shunko which is comparable to bankai in power boost.
    Unohana is supposed to be hella strong.
    Shinji or any of the Vizards as long as they can keep their masks on.
    Shunsui has games that change real life rules.
    Ukitake can redirect anything with his shikai.
    Komamura is pure brute strength and a tank. Might be capable of handling some SR as long as they are not Aizen/Yamamoto strong.
    Mayuri can use bankai and poison the SR if they try to use it.
    Hitsugaya is a prodigy.

    Any captain should have a fighting chance, really, it all depends on the matchups.

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Quote Originally Posted by River_Capulet View Post
    Not to mention she has shunko which can be devastating, remember how Yoruichi broke Aizen's shell?
    Yes, and I think that even if it's not the case early on, tag teams will be setup as the war continues.
    So, I'm expecting Ukitake and Kyouraku to team up, as well as Soifon and Yoruichi.

    That's one thing Sternritters doesn't have an answer for (personal opinion).

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Unohana with her stare of death will K.O any sternritters...

    maybe even tessai with all his kido may at least slow them down

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    As long as they aren't fighting Buckbeard, these'll be fine:

    Ichigo: Main character and immune to Bankai stealing, plus with the latest chapter, it appears that he may get a power-up (mask lines on left side of face). It would appear shonen logic is that when someone throws an intense bitch fit, they get a power-up, not that I'm complaining, Ichigo was well over-due, hope he gets some new abilities, or at least variations of GT.

    Kenpachi: No bankai to steal and immense power, shame that he's fighting BB (at least he took down 3 already).

    Yoruichi: Doesn't even use zanpaktou, hand to hand combat is her forte and she's at captain level.

    Mashiro: Weaker than Yoruichi but also doesn't use Zanpaktou and has a hollow mask to boot.

    Hachi: Depends on whether or not Quincy can absorb Kidou or not (being that Kidou is energy right? what's stopping the Quincies from using Scravelai (Scravelei?) in the same manner that Kirge used?

    Tessai: For the same reason as above.

    Yamamoto: Besides being a complete boss, his shikai alone makes him easily able to top any opponent that doesn't have a haxed out power or isn't BB.

    Aizen: Provided he still has a zanpaktou. Although without it, he still seems to be strong enough to manhandle the crap out of most people who get in his way (Seeing as how he was able to take down the remaining SS forces in FKT). If he still has Kyoka Suigetsu, then he can practically just do whatever he wants. That is, unless he has another agenda that makes it so that he won't fight the Quincies. If he does end up fighting, his shikai's illusions are more than enough unless another Quincy happens to outhax him (unlikely) or through some odd series of events, the Quincies are capable of negating his abilities by absorbing them with Scravelai.
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    These people have a slight advantage perhaps, but may or may not lose depending on the circumstances:

    Soi Fon: Much more proficient with her shikai than with her bankai. Plus her shikai complements her fighting style and usage of shunko.

    Komamura: Depends on whether or not Bambietta will be affected by Kokujo Tengen-Myo's downside in that the user suffers whatever damage the armor suffers.

    Harribel (OR any other captain leveled Arrancar) (Not shinigami I know, but still sort of counts right? I mean Arrancars are Hollow who have sort of gained Shinigami powers after all): It is unrevealed if Resurrecions can be stolen or not. Judging by how Harribel had pieces of hers still on her when she was tied up seems to indicate that it wasn't stolen or anything. (Maybe it was sort of like how Ichigo's situation was at first in that it was merely able to destroy a piece (or pieces) of the released form. It was just bad luck that she ended up fighting BB.

    The rest of the Vaizards: Being hybrids, they have an alternate power to fall back on should things turn sour. If bankai isn't at all usable, then it's time to bring out the Hollow masks.

    ----------------Also, slightly off-topic but, why haven't any of the Arrancars that BB was recruiting arrived in SS yet? It'd definitely make it seem more like a war and at least give some of the seated officers SOME victories in the battle field. (Plus make the entire battle field look more chaotic and awesome). Rather than just having 26+Buckbeard massacre thousands.
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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Ken-chan, Ichigo, Yamamoto and Soi-Fon are best suited to fight SR, imo.

    Ken-chan is beyond level of bankai without having it, so they can't do shit against him They won't get power up, and Kenpachi won't be affected by their ability, which won't decrease his fighting capability.

    Ichigo... main character, come on. I guess the reason for his bankai not being stolen is his mother or father. Father was squad 0, his shikai was very similar, the same abilities, and despite losing his powers once and regaining them after 20 (?) years, he was still clearly stronger than Aizen without Hogyoku. There has to be something more to those -getsu swords. And Ichigo himself had lots of reiatsu without being Shinigami, or even from birth. (Rukia couldn't sense Hollow's presence because of his reiatsu) If it's not his father, then mother is important. Freakin' big mystery. It is said, that Fisher killing her was bullshit. Who knows, maybe SR or even BB killed her and she was crazy strong Quincy, who fell in love with elite shinigami, and thus had to hide? Who knows? Which won't explain Isshin regretting not being able to protect her and thinking it was Fisher. If she was strong she would mop the floor with some hollow. Maybe there were some other circumstances affecting her fighting ability or her being ble to fight at the moment. Protecting Ichigo and sacrificing herself? He doesn't remember anything but result of battle. Maybe his memory was somehow wiped? Maybe Masaki was daughter or granddaughter of BB?

    Yamamoto is obvious. The strongest shinigami with shikai being able to destroy whole city and kill everyone. Who knows what his bankai can do? He obviously has it. I bet it will be shown at the end of Bleach. Maybe tag battle with Ichigo after 3-4 power-ups vs BB and some hidden, elite of elite SR (or "white beanpole" xd)

    Soi-Fon has ultimate shikai, that is benefitting her fighting style and is even better because of shunko and ability. She don't have to pierce through her opponent. She just has to hit him twice in the same spot (Their Blud is shit right now) and they die.

    Of course, Vaizards are very good for this battle, they'll all win their fights. Yoruichi is just hax shunko user and can barehandedly kill anyone. Don't underestimate ultimate speed, she just can't get cut by someone other than full hax Ichigo with her speed. Urahara is strong as well, but currently unavailable. If Vaizards are good, than Arrancar are just as good or better. They have grudge against Quincies and can overcome their hatred for Shingamis (common enemy, stupid reasoning, Aizen etc.). Grimmjow with second resurection? ^^ Maybe even Stark and Halibel? Stealing Bankai is technique developed to kill Shinigamis because of their war, Arrancars are safe I guess, but Kubo may pull of some shit or Resurection being Shikai, and 2nd resurection being bankai, and because of their nature and users they're so alike that can be stolen. But no, they are different many ways. (Change of user AND weapon, not just weapon). Origin of power is different I guess.
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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Obviously Kenpachi is a great choice here.

    I think Soifon could do very well agains them, because, IMO her shikai is way more stronger than her Bankai.
    So, even if the enemy wants to use her bankai against her, she wouldn't be in too much trouble...


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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    Yamamoto is obvious. The strongest shinigami with shikai being able to destroy whole city and kill everyone. Who knows what his bankai can do? He obviously has it. I bet it will be shown at the end of Bleach. Maybe tag battle with Ichigo after 3-4 power-ups vs BB and some hidden, elite of elite SR (or "white beanpole" xd)
    I think the universe was created when Yamo first use his Bankai....

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Not sure if there really is a point to this thread. Wouldn't it come down to anyone who is able to fight at a level comparable to bankai without bankai? In that list we would have invariably the same people. The vizards (thanks to their mask), kenpachi (no bankai), soifon (would rather fight without bankai), yoruichi (no zampakuto), tessai (kido spammer), aizen, the arrancar and yamamoto. Everyone else is as far as we know screwed.

    Ukitake has an interesting ability but the stern rittern as a whole are IMO not good matches against him. Ukitake is ultimately a fighter with limited physical capabilites. Volstandig is by all accounts something which vastly enhances physical capabilities. What good is being able to reflect attacks if ukitake can't physically keep up with them? His situation would be similar to shunsui's.

    Soifon would be ideal here except for one thing. We have seen the extent of quincy defensive capabilities so far. Kirge was able to block ichigo's bankai and nodt blocked byakuya's and renji's blades. For soifon's shikai to work she kinda has to cut her enemy. It is way too probably that she won't be able to piecer blutz. If she is up against a weaker enemy she would be fine as she would be able to strike when the enemy takes the offense but striking against someone of comparable level twice in the same place will proof difficult. Blutz is just that good a defense unfortunately. We also saw yoruichi getting hurt when she punched and kicked yami, perhaps engaging in a physical fight with the stern rittern will be a not so brilliant idea.

    Unohana should be screwed IMO though. She is supposed to have superb swordsmanship however if blutz is also able to block her attacks she is in trouble as her shikai does not seem to offer any offensive capabilities so far. Unless it is revealed her shikai has some interesting abilities other than healing it is very likely she will end up being the sort of fighter that relies heavily on bankai which would make her unsuited for the war as a whole. We still need more information to be able to tell though.

    Gin would have been great in this war. His bankai is extremely conspicuous, he could carry it around without the stern rittern noticing.

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    Re: Which shinigami are best suited to fight Sternritters?

    Quote Originally Posted by kkck View Post
    yoruichi (no zampakuto)
    There I began to wonder. Was it ever stated, that she has NO zanpakotou? We never saw her use one. She was a captain (she became one in other way, but she still was one), so she could have. We already saw main characters hold back even if it meant their death. Urahara, Isshin not going Bankai against Aizen, Shunsui not going Bankai against Stark etc. If Urahara and and Isshin didn't use bankai, she could have fight w/o sword. Maybe she hates its ability or it doesn't suits her. Or it's so freakin' strong she don't like to use it, because she will be like Kenpachi with bankai. >.<

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