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It's like I said some time ago. I judge according to the manga.
Now there's nothing wrong with liking 2011 or 1999 better on their own merit but people should realize that is largely their own opinion.
Whereas accuracy to the manga is something that can be factually compared... Well for the most part.
It's not like I've decided that the 1999 series is entirely better as a whole than the 2011 series as a whole.
2011 Hunter Exam is still better
2011 Heavens Arena is still better
2011 Whale Island is still better
2011 and 1999 Zoldyck Arc are equal
2011 and 1999 Yorknew Arc are better in different ways. Mainly 2011 is better with Kurapika's story. 1999 is better with Gon's story.
Of course manga triumphs both. Easily.
Thus far you have been complaining with this arc because it cuts down on GOn, Killua and Leorio moments.
Take one look at Crunchyroll comments section and you will see that the vast majority does not give a shit about this side story and that is the point, it is a side story serving one purpose, to exist as a breather between the serious moments with the main story of Kurapika and the Phantom Troupe.
I for one do not believe there to be a pacing issue at all. This arc has been paced excellently in my opinion and has trimmed a lot of the unnecessary fat, while increasing the important points. This is a story arc not about how Gon and friends eventually get Greed Island, that is a side story, this is the story of when Kurapika tangled with the Phantom Troupe. I dont understand why you are hating on it so much, it makes sense for Madhouse to accentuate the ACTUAL main story of the arc and highlight it. I really do not understand your gripes at all Sticky, it is to the point that I think you just don't like the character of Kurapika for one reason or another and choose to complain whenever he is in the foreground over Gon and friends.
Both the 1999 version and 2011 were okay, I thought. I gotta say though, the 1999 version had really ugly drawing for gon/killua. Reminded me of some pretty early eps in the Hunter Exam.
Great for them. I do give a shit though. How would you like it if they treated Greed Island the same way? What if Madhouse decided
Yes Kurapika is the main focus but that doesn't mean Gon's story isn't important in the manga version of Yorknew. Gon is searching for Greed Island
remember? I'd say that's an DAMN important plot point. Actually when you think about it. KURAPIKA'S story is the "side story" if you consider
Gon the protagonist and finding his dad the plot. Though I wouldn't even say that. Hunter x Hunter is about the Hunter and the Hunt.
We're are getting Kurapika's hunt in great detail but Gon's hunt is largely glossed over. Why? Because impatient people think it's "boring".
I like Kurapika and I like the Spiders just fine. It's that I want a bit more respect towards Gon's side of the story.
Tonpa gets set free from being tied up by Kurapika and struggles desperately to obtain badges, ultimately failing and getting beat up by Ponzu once she wakes up. Tonpa was always 1 step behind Hanzo in stealing plates, and Ponzu (thinking that Tonpa took her badge) beats the crap out of him. It was just kinda neat to imagine (I know its not canon) that perhaps Gon's determination and personality rubbed off on Tonpa and made him want to actually try and see how far he could go in the exam for once. lol.
I have to agree with FutureFrog, the whole idea that its New York meets Las Vegas is a neat idea, though I don't mind the idea of there being water on one side as well, I'd have to check the Hunter map to be sure where its really positioned. I do really like the gritty nasty urban backgrounds in 1999 Yorknew (basically whenever it wasn't a dumb photograph (which happens in the manga some too from what I've seen))
With Yorknew being my favorite arc, I'll probably always revisit both versions if not simply for the reason I adore the 1999 Yorknew soundtrack and music placements. I also really like the scene with Uvo and Shalnark in suits during the auction (this is in the manga but not the 2011 version)
2011 replaced Canon--at least in the sense they have had filler related to Kurapika or the Phantom Troupe at the expense of Gon, Killua and Leorio.
Of course we will be getting an entire episode dedicated to Gon...that is Gon and the Phantom Troupe.
Before that it was supposed to be Gon and Killua trying to make money to get Greed Island. 2011 has made that into a foot note.
1999 went to more detail (though it too condenses some stuff) and well it's bland in the 99. But in the manga it's exciting.
Sure it's not "edge of your seat" exciting. But it's fun seeing Gon and Killua two 12 year old kids trying to make a lot of money in not a lot of time.
As for your comment about Greed Island, I have to say that Madhouse has never up until now skimped on the important details, NOT ONCE have they not shown something critical and pivotal to the plot like that. Now comparing Zepile impact and the minor auction stuff with Gon and friends, the impact of that is nothing in comparison all it exists for is to show that they are making some progress towards Greed Island, that is all it exists for. Zepile the character exists simply for the purpose of continuing there Greed Island hunt while they go off and get involved with the Troupe.
I feel they have respected Gons side just fine and shown everything important to his story. I feel that you give too much weight to trivial scenes that don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
99 was not in any way better than 2011 in my eyes, in my opinion it only made this side story more boring to viewers than it already was.
It's slow paced and does not feature much action, 1999 accentuated that to the point I was bored to tears.
sense. Whereas when another manga goes into detail it's boring and trite. I MUCH rather read about Gon and Killua's adventure of getting scammed
then another friggin' monologue from Sasuke about how nobody knows his pain...or even more then some dull, pointless Madara vs Kages battle.
Sorry to bring up Naruto but the point I'm trying to make is that the "talking" in Hunter x Hunter is far more exciting than much of the "action"
in other manga and anime.
It's not like they can't make the stuff interesting. I mean if they can make a story about a guy who sits in a chair all day and eats potato chips
and in a completely unrelated scene someone dies from an heart attack look cool. Then they can make the talking stuff in Hunter x Hunter look cool.
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Like I said. I'm not an idiot. I know I'm in the minority. I know the spiders are more popular than the hunt for Greed Island.
That doesn't mean I'm going to shut up about it and just smile and say "This is great" just because everyone else does.
You know what I think I WILL get you wrong. I think if skipped Zepile and went straight to the Phantom Troupe you would be just fine with that.
It depends on what you would consider "Important details". But in any case it's less that details have been abandoned that bothers
me and more that we're not really experiencing Gon, Killua and Leorio's journey as we do in the manga. By taking away that it makes
this stuff more dull, actually.
Here's a question for you. If Kurapika's story is the main focus and that's what people want...why did Togashi write the hunt for Greed Island in
as much detail as he did in the first place? Was he just trying to fill space?
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If next week I like the episode please do not tell me "see even you like the Spiders". I'm not trying to say I hate the Spiders or I hate Kurapika.
I actually like that storyline a lot. It's just that I like the other stuff just as much. Am I overly obsessed? Probably but hey what can I say. I love HxH.
If I say that the spiders suck or anything negative...please realize I'm doing so to try and make a point and not because I actually dislike the spiders and kurapika.
That aside I'm taking a breather from all this arguing. Clearly my tastes are quite different from many on this forum and well you just can't argue tastes.
Besides I want to hear PoPo's thoughts! Along with Shinobi-03's comparison whenever he gets the time.
And also I'm already disappointed in the episode. So now I'd like to focus more on what I DID like.
Togashi wrote the hunt for greed island because it is necessary to get from one point to the other. Is it an important part of the story? Yes. Are the things that were cut a deal breaker? No. Do they damage the story and what it needs to convey to us? No.
The main focus of this arc is indeed Kurapika and the Troupe, that should of course be the foremost highlighted story in this arc, but the hunt for greed island of course should also be there, does it deserve as much time as the Troupe? No it doesnt because in the grand scheme of things, it exists to simply set up the next story arc. It is just a side story to lay the ground work, it is not as important to the York New arc as the Kurapika story is. That is the facts of the matter.
No actually I love this manga, I have been reading it since I was 12 myself and have never considered it 'boring'.
But I am open to understanding that others see things differently to me, including you. Do I agree with you? No. Understand you? Yes, but still disagree.
It depends on what you consider a deal breaker and what damages the story.
You might think just having Gon say "I pawned my license" is the same thing
as actually SEEING Gon pawn his license but I don't. To me it's not the same thing.
It's like the difference between seeing a photo of the Grand Canyon and
seeing the real thing.
I never said it should have as much time as the Troupe. I just think it shouldn't be a practical foot note.
Maybe you and many others think Gon going to Southernbees and buying the catalog as a very matter
of fact sequence gets the job done but I like to actually enjoy the experience. Of course they
can't get EVERY little detail. And I'm not expecting them to. Hunter Exam arc did not go into
every little detail and yet I enjoyed it very much. I actually the Zoldyck arc despite the crummy
start. Why? Because the rest made up for it. We got a well balanced story between Gon
and Killua. It wasn't "Gon's story is more important" or "Killua's story is more important."
like how it seems to be with this arc.
But anyhow as for stuff I liked in this episode.
The beginning shot of Yorknew looked great!
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Well of course I WANT everything in the manga to be in the anime! What kind of silly question is that?
Do you NOT want everything from the manga in the anime? If they animated everything from the manga
would you complain? Would you think "Aw man...why did they have to leave THAT in?"
I didn't ask if you find the manga itself boring but "much of the manga" because if you have reading it since you were 12
you should then notice that Hunter x Hunter is a very detailed manga that often goes into seemingly "dull" stuff---like learning about scams.
Do you find stuff like that boring? Did you find the election arc--minus rescue Alluka boring?
to be honest---actually I thought the election arc was dull (though a lot of that had to do with coming back from the excitement of Chimera Ant Arc)
But when they animate it---I want ALL of the election arc shown.
I dunno maybe this is my curse for not caring as much as I should have back when Madhouse combined the Sushi Exam.