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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Excellent review. But at the end I need to think that it is really Obito...
    Procrastination always bring me many wonderful things especially memory leak in programming.LOL


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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    HI Blackjack. i always enjoy reading your reviews and the posts by all the guys here.
    i rarely comment on post , but i find my self forced to defend kishi for now.

    well i guess tobi being obito has ruined the chapter for most of the readers, but not me.
    i absolutely LOVED this chapter.... it is one of the best ones that kishi has wrote .
    this is the 1st chapter the was without text. a silent preview of obito's life.
    a life which we knew how it ended , but we never got to see the brilliant build up to obito's tragedy that was shown in this chapter.


    this chapter tells 2 stories , the story of kakashi and the story of obito.
    they both face similar challenges , and after every defeat of obito , kakashi walks victorious...

    we reach the climax here :
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/599/14

    after he became a jounnin , kakashi gained the love of rin , the admiration of minato " who gave him the kunai ", obito's eye . and became the legendary sharingan no kakashi
    while obito lost all those things, and died forgotten under the boulders.


    so what's annoying about this chapter?

    1- the flash back ?
    well, i guess the flash back was well written , and even if we suppose that tobi is izuna " or anyone else" , then we'd still have gotten a flash back. a flash back was inevitable this chapter i guess.

    2- tobi being obito?
    well, we dont know that for sure. we all know that obito was half dead and he was fixed somehow.so we all agree that the key to understand tobi's identity is by understanding zetsu.


    finally, i dont think that a liar like tobi will be honest when he reveals his identity, but i do believe that tobi is " no one " as he stated before.
    the only " no one " in this manga is zetsu . and till now we don't know where is black zetsu's other half.
    if white zetsu was a physical parasite, then i guess that black zetsu is a soul or character parasite.

    so i''m guessing that tobi is:
    -half white zestu and half obito in physical body
    -half black zetsu and half obito in soul " or character"

    i think we should preserve our judgment for now. and try to relax by watching the HILARIOUS Hitler review of this chapter .

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Off: the video in your signature is super funny!
    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    I'm going to look at it scene by scene.
    1-Obito arrives at academy at age 5(he looks older) and we see many familiar figures. Kakashi and Obito stare at each other after Rin hands the latter his admission papers.
    Problems:Wht is Hayate doing there?He's way younger than Kakashi
    (Now conjecture: I believe Kakashi mastered the Clone jutsu in his first year at the academy and became a genin. Obito passed 4 years later. In the time interval, Kakashi became a chunnin and had a 3-man squad but for reasons unknown, the team disbanded. Minato, Kakashi's mentor may have played a part in Kakashi-Obito-Rin becoming a team.)
    2-Team Minato participate in the Chunnin exams. For the team to compete, Kakashi is allowed to participate a second time.
    3-Obito poses by the Hokage monument.
    (Conjecture:If not a drawing error, it is possible that Minato and Hiruzen had a two-man Hokage system. While Hiruzen was in charge of administration, Minato may have been in charge of combat. So, it is possible that Minato, as a young Hokage, was still leading his own team)
    4-In due time Obito becomes a chunnin but he is overshadowed by Kakashi's promotion to jonin. Soon after, Obito dies in the Third Shinobi War.

    I do not believe Tobi has always been or is Obito. It may be that he is related to Obito and that he may have seen Kakashi go to Obito's grave every morning. I still believe Tobi is Obito's father. Hopefully Kishi will explain everything logically.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by Avishek View Post
    I'm going to look at it scene by scene.
    1-Obito arrives at academy at age 5(he looks older) and we see many familiar figures. Kakashi and Obito stare at each other after Rin hands the latter his admission papers.
    Problems:Wht is Hayate doing there?He's way younger than Kakashi
    (Now conjecture: I believe Kakashi mastered the Clone jutsu in his first year at the academy and became a genin. Obito passed 4 years later. In the time interval, Kakashi became a chunnin and had a 3-man squad but for reasons unknown, the team disbanded. Minato, Kakashi's mentor may have played a part in Kakashi-Obito-Rin becoming a team.)
    2-Team Minato participate in the Chunnin exams. For the team to compete, Kakashi is allowed to participate a second time.
    3-Obito poses by the Hokage monument.
    (Conjecture:If not a drawing error, it is possible that Minato and Hiruzen had a two-man Hokage system. While Hiruzen was in charge of administration, Minato may have been in charge of combat. So, it is possible that Minato, as a young Hokage, was still leading his own team)

    4-In due time Obito becomes a chunnin but he is overshadowed by Kakashi's promotion to jonin. Soon after, Obito dies in the Third Shinobi War.

    I do not believe Tobi has always been or is Obito. It may be that he is related to Obito and that he may have seen Kakashi go to Obito's grave every morning. I still believe Tobi is Obito's father. Hopefully Kishi will explain everything logically.
    problem is that Kishi drew hokage monument when kakshi and obito went on that mission that lead to obito's death ... and at that time minatos face wasn't there - so it is clearly an error and not some two-man hokage system

    anyway Hayate msitake is alarming ... he is supposed to be 3 years old at that time ... kishi clearly doesn't care about timelien
    Why Tobi can't be Obito (or Rin):

    Year 0 for our purposes:
    We know that Madara and Tobi knew each other (confirmed by Kishi) and gave Madara's Rinnegan to Nagato.
    Year 5:
    J-Man trains Nagato
    Year 10:
    Obito is born.Tobi might be using Obito's eye but that is improbable since it would most likely be MS technique BUT considering how much he's been using it he would be blind by now. Itachi used it very sporadically and was blind, same Sasuke-Tobi is spamming it for 17 years and is OK?

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Frankly, the age and graduation dates of almost nobody there match... I am surprised Kishimoto didn't include Jiraya, Hiruzen or Hashirama in Kakashi's class!!
    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Couldn't save Kishi. Checked out the manga and yes, at the front, there are three hokage not four. I can't believe Kishi would make a mistake like that. Hayate mistake or white hair Obito is one thing, but to actually put in Minato's statue and make Obito position himself beside it is another thing altogether. Only one drawing of Hokage monument and that too after such a long time (I think it's been over 120 chapters) as well as giving it such relevance, you'd think he would be careful to get it right.

    I still stick to the theory that Kakashi was already an experienced chunnin when he joined Obito and Rin. I can't really make sense of the continuity. Gai and Kakashi facing off in the same arena where the former defeated Obito. And is Kakashi giving Obito his chunnin uniform or is he showing off(Kindness or showmanship were not really features of pre-Sharingan Kakashi).

    Really a poorly done flashback.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by Avishek View Post
    Kindness or showmanship were not really features of pre-Sharingan Kakashi
    That was only after his father commit suicide.
    Quote Originally Posted by IChallengeYou! View Post
    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Here's a list with the ages the characters had at the moment of their graduations (according to databooks):

    Academy Kakashi --- 5 --- 25 years ago
    Academy Genma --- 10 --- 23 years ago
    Academy Guy --- 7 --- 23 years ago
    Academy Ebisu --- 10 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Asuma --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Kurenai --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Shizune --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Obito --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Rin --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Ibiki --- 10 --- 21 years ago
    Academy Yamato --- 6 --- 20 years ago
    Academy Anko --- 10 --- 18 years ago
    Academy Hayate --- 12 --- 15 years ago

    Chuunin Kakashi --- 6 --- 24 years ago
    Chuunin Genma --- 13 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Yamato --- 6 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Obito --- 11 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Rin --- 11 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Asuma --- 12 --- 19 years ago
    Chuunin Guy --- 11 --- 19 years ago
    Chuunin Kurenai --- 13 --- 18 years ago
    Chuunin Shizune --- 13 --- 18 years ago
    Chuunin Ibiki --- 15 --- 16 years ago
    Chuunin Anko --- 12 --- 16 years ago
    Chuunin Ebisu --- 17 --- 15 years ago
    Chuunin Hayate --- 13 --- 14 years ago

    Jounin Kakashi --- 12 --- 18 years ago

    Most of them shouldn't be at the academy when they did; only Obito, Rin, Asuma and Kurenai are correct though.

    Although, IMO it's being given too much importance to this matter; yes, it looks messed up, but it's absolutely irrelevant to the ongoing plot; it doesn't intevene with the Tobi's non-explained-yet timeline at all.
    Last edited by Kokuryuu; September 01, 2012 at 02:47 PM.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by Kokuryuu View Post
    Here's a list with the ages the characters had at the moment of their graduations (according to databooks):

    Academy Kakashi --- 5 --- 25 years ago
    Academy Genma --- 10 --- 23 years ago
    Academy Guy --- 7 --- 23 years ago
    Academy Ebisu --- 10 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Asuma --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Kurenai --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Shizune --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Obito --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Rin --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Ibiki --- 10 --- 21 years ago
    Academy Yamato --- 6 --- 20 years ago
    Academy Anko --- 10 --- 18 years ago
    Academy Hayate --- 12 --- 15 years ago

    Chuunin Kakashi --- 6 --- 24 years ago
    Chuunin Genma --- 13 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Yamato --- 6 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Obito --- 11 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Rin --- 11 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Asuma --- 12 --- 19 years ago
    Chuunin Guy --- 11 --- 19 years ago
    Chuunin Kurenai --- 13 --- 18 years ago
    Chuunin Shizune --- 13 --- 18 years ago
    Chuunin Ibiki --- 15 --- 16 years ago
    Chuunin Anko --- 12 --- 16 years ago
    Chuunin Ebisu --- 17 --- 15 years ago
    Chuunin Hayate --- 13 --- 14 years ago

    Jounin Kakashi --- 12 --- 18 years ago

    Most of them shouldn't be at the academy when they did; only Obito, Rin, Asuma and Kurenai are correct though.

    Although, IMO it's being given too much importance to this matter; yes, it looks messed up, but it's absolutely irrelevant to the ongoing plot; it doesn't intevene with the Tobi's non-explained-yet timeline at all.
    it only undermines kishis credibility thus everything ... anyway nice table very useful
    Why Tobi can't be Obito (or Rin):

    Year 0 for our purposes:
    We know that Madara and Tobi knew each other (confirmed by Kishi) and gave Madara's Rinnegan to Nagato.
    Year 5:
    J-Man trains Nagato
    Year 10:
    Obito is born.Tobi might be using Obito's eye but that is improbable since it would most likely be MS technique BUT considering how much he's been using it he would be blind by now. Itachi used it very sporadically and was blind, same Sasuke-Tobi is spamming it for 17 years and is OK?

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by Kokuryuu View Post
    Here's a list with the ages the characters had at the moment of their graduations (according to databooks):

    Academy Kakashi --- 5 --- 25 years ago
    Academy Genma --- 10 --- 23 years ago
    Academy Guy --- 7 --- 23 years ago
    Academy Ebisu --- 10 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Asuma --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Kurenai --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Shizune --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Obito --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Rin --- 9 --- 22 years ago
    Academy Ibiki --- 10 --- 21 years ago
    Academy Yamato --- 6 --- 20 years ago
    Academy Anko --- 10 --- 18 years ago
    Academy Hayate --- 12 --- 15 years ago

    Chuunin Kakashi --- 6 --- 24 years ago
    Chuunin Genma --- 13 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Yamato --- 6 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Obito --- 11 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Rin --- 11 --- 20 years ago
    Chuunin Asuma --- 12 --- 19 years ago
    Chuunin Guy --- 11 --- 19 years ago
    Chuunin Kurenai --- 13 --- 18 years ago
    Chuunin Shizune --- 13 --- 18 years ago
    Chuunin Ibiki --- 15 --- 16 years ago
    Chuunin Anko --- 12 --- 16 years ago
    Chuunin Ebisu --- 17 --- 15 years ago
    Chuunin Hayate --- 13 --- 14 years ago

    Jounin Kakashi --- 12 --- 18 years ago

    Most of them shouldn't be at the academy when they did; only Obito, Rin, Asuma and Kurenai are correct though.

    Although, IMO it's being given too much importance to this matter; yes, it looks messed up, but it's absolutely irrelevant to the ongoing plot; it doesn't intevene with the Tobi's non-explained-yet timeline at all.
    thank you very much,man! that helps to clarify the inconsistencies of this chapter,although you don't acknowledge them as a dangerous issue. btw,you may not care about that,but this is obviously a huge mistake,imo. and rest assured that tobi is not obito,just because he has his eye we can't be sure of that. in fact,I think that the right part of his face was implanted in tobi's one.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    thank you very much,man! that helps to clarify the inconsistencies of this chapter,although you don't acknowledge them as a dangerous issue. btw,you may not care about that,but this is obviously a huge mistake,imo. and rest assured that tobi is not obito,just because he has his eye we can't be sure of that. in fact,I think that the right part of his face was implanted in tobi's one.
    gotta agree with you ... for me it is an alarming error
    Why Tobi can't be Obito (or Rin):

    Year 0 for our purposes:
    We know that Madara and Tobi knew each other (confirmed by Kishi) and gave Madara's Rinnegan to Nagato.
    Year 5:
    J-Man trains Nagato
    Year 10:
    Obito is born.Tobi might be using Obito's eye but that is improbable since it would most likely be MS technique BUT considering how much he's been using it he would be blind by now. Itachi used it very sporadically and was blind, same Sasuke-Tobi is spamming it for 17 years and is OK?

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    The reveal that Tobi is currently Obito or someone in Obito's body doesn't alarm me.Kishi has a chance to explain everything.But the sensless way in which Obito's life is shown is disturbing for a writer of his calibre.Instead of a quick of Obito's life until his supposed death we are left with inconsistences that derail a decade worth of timeline.Kishi cant change the error filled flashback.Especially Kakashi's timeline.

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    Re: Blackjack612 Reviews Naruto 599 Obito Uchiha

    Well, this flashback was a mess. Like many of you said the age and graduation dates of almost nobody there match. And Minato's face?...After this chapter I think nothing could surprise me anymore. We have to understand that kishi is doing whatever he wants and it's a shame because I like the ideea of this manga and I like his drawing style but I think the timeline could not be worser. Anyway I hope we will find out in 600 who tobi really is and then he can explain latter but after all these years I am sick of theories I just want to know who he is.

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    Leaving aside the messed up timeline that Chapter 599 has created(Did Kishi even check his work before starting this chapter.It looks like fan service!), I'm still not convinced Tobi is Obito and before the next chapter confirms some of the possibilities, I would like to make an assumption.

    TOBI IS KAGAMI UCHIHA IN OBITO’S BODY

    He looks different than he did when he first appeared.
    He needs to implant new Zetsu cells every few months to maintain his body. Side effect of e looks different than he did when he first appeared.Immortality justsu. Just look at Orochimaru.When he fought Konan, he was getting ready for the infusion and so had his head bandaged and his damaged portion looked aged.

    Obito’s claims to have given Nagato the Rinnegan & be behind akatsuki’s creation
    TOBI IS NOT OBITO. I believe Tobi is a relative of Obito, most likely his father. Also, Tobi is related to Madara and Nagato may be Madara’s son from an extramarital affair. He may have acted as Nagato’s and Yahiko’s mentor and trained the earlier in the Rinnegan and inspired the later to start the Akatsuki.

    Obito’s claims to be Madara
    The power of the name and he could get away with it because he knew Madara intimately.

    Obito’s tenure as the Fourth Mizukage
    He may have left the Konoha village to learn more about the Shinobi world. By overpowering a kage, he started his project eternal tsukiyomi and started searching for co-workers, finding one in Kisame. Being a very secretive village, he felt he could get away with controlling the mizukage without being discovered.

    Tobi’s relation to Kisame
    Kisame might have been frustrated of the lies needed to live as a shinobi. He despised his work and so, when he heard about Tobi’s plan, seeing no alternative to the endless deception he joined Tobi.

    Tobi’s relation with Madara
    Tobi is most probably Madara’s son or nephew. Madara may have instructed Tobi to mentor Nagato and use his rinnegan to revive his father/uncle.

    Tobi’s relation with Kakashi
    Tobi knows Kakashi well but not intimately. He most probably knows about Kakashi’s visit to Obito’s grave. Strong hints that Tobi is Obito’s father.

    Tobi’s relation with Itachi
    Itachi may have known that there is more to Tobi but didn’t really care as Tobi agreed to help him destroy the Uchiha clan. Also, being familiar with Madara’s methods, he may have been able to convince Itachi that he was Madara.

    Tobi’s skill compared to Minato
    If Tobi is Obito’s father, his mastery of kamui and the sharingan may have allowed him to go toe to toe with his son’s mentor and control the Nine Tails at the same time.

    Obito’s motive for the Leaf’s destruction
    He wanted the kyuubi and tried to hasten his own clan’s demise by attacking the village. As the perpetrator was an Uchiha, the blame would fall on the clan and he waited until he could take revenge for his father/uncle’s banishment from the village.

    Infinite genjutsu
    Rin’s death may have played a part in this, but I believe Tobi had endured many losses due to the three Wars and believed, like Danzo, that peace could only be achieved by force. If Tobi is Kagami and he is Madara’s nephew and Obito’s father, he has really seen so much hatred in the shinobi world that he is sick of it. His father, uncle, son and mentor all died because of this hatred and so, he has embraced his former teammate Danzo’s philosophy as a messenger of forceful peace. This can be achieved by taking away free will by infinite genjutsu.

    Conclusion
    Kagami has perfected the immortality justu so he can transfer his soul to dead bodies. As the DNAs are similar, Obito’s Zetsufied body is perfect for Kagami.

    WHY KAGAMI?
    Timeline shows strongly that he is the next generation after Madara and Izuna. (son? nephew?)
    Teacher is Second Hokage who dealt with forbidden jutsu. (Immortality justu?)
    Tobi’s ideology is strongly similar to Danzo (forceful peace). Danzo was a team mate of Kagami. (Project eternal tsukiyomi)
    Timeline hints that Tobi is of the generation before Obito. (Obito’s father?)
    Tobi’s words hint he knows Kakashi visits Obito’s grave and that Kakashi has Obito’s sharingan. (Obito’s father hinted strongly)

    I really hope that whatever chapter 600 and later holds is mindblowing enough to make us forget the current chapter. IN KISHI WE TRUST!

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