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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Naruto stopped making sense a LONG time ago... right at the beginning, actually, making us wonder WHAT THE HELL NARUTO SAW IN SAKURA?
So yeah, things like conflicting timelines aren't that bad.
It would be interesting, though, if Obito could see through Kakashi's Sharingan thus having access to a shitload of classified info. I would love to see how they get out of something like THAT!... in a way that does NOT involve Naruto farting to win the fight.
What chapter 600 needs is an explanation that Obito isn't really alive and that some little Uchiha kid didn't really become some sort of ubermensch within one year.
I'm hoping for some body-possession or w/e.
I mean sure Kishi makes mistakes, but to have so many plotholes about Tobi is just way too much. Can he really let that much slide with retconning?
Last edited by Notak; September 01, 2012 at 03:02 PM.
I watched Sawyer's chapter 599 review. One thing I couldn't understand is that why people are thinking that Obito went against the village because he couldn't get Rin's love? First of all, the reason why he turned villain has not been revealed yet. All Kishi has shown up until this point is that Obito used to be a good kid, but now he is not.
You jumped onto a silly conclusion (i.e. Obito turned villain because Rin dumped him) and then complain that the plot is silly? Seriously.
Obito could have turned villain because he believed that Kakashi wasn't doing enough to save his family from the massacre. Obito could have turned villain because he lost faith in the will of fire seeing that people like Danzou were still plotting behind the scenes. There are so many better possibilties - you came up with the worst.
Last edited by Ryr; September 01, 2012 at 11:05 PM.
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Oh and what the Manga needs right now... Is less fangasmervice and more Logic. We understand who the target audience is, but
KishiKubo should realize by now that Naruto (back then) attracted a lot of mature readers and a lot of us grew up reading Naruto. So if he knows that he has had long time fans, im pretty sure he understands that he is conveying to a much bigger audience therefore logic is required.
Still cannot get over Obito being Tobi. I dont think i ever will. I call it now people, all this Sasuke hatred thing is going to bite him in the ass once he is revealed to be the true heir to Hashirama Senju... Watch him use Mokuton in the next few chapters I dare anyone to argue with that.
Last edited by Ryr; September 03, 2012 at 12:27 AM.
I'v just reread chapter 500, there was a flashback explaining "Naruto's birth" in chapter 600 prob gona be explanation about "Obito becoming the Tobi".
It even may be stated, what the one who killed the real Madara was Obito, case i actualy doubt he died out of old age.
Last edited by Shader; September 03, 2012 at 12:58 AM.
If Madara was alive when nagato was born he would be in his late sixties.The thing is I don't understand Tobi's statement that madara gave nagato the rinnegan.Was eye replacement done on madara on his death bed cause madara said he awakened the rinnegan near his death.Or was Nagato related to him?So he 'inherited' the rinnegan?Or was this all a lie just to get the rinnegan. Tobi sounded earnest.
The last two century chapters were both about giving greater insight into famous events which we knew from earlier chapters - the uchiha massacre and the kyuubi attack on konoha.Both revealed facts about an Uchiha who was viewed differently before - Itachi and Tobi. Itachi was revealed to be a loyal shinobi of konoha and a loving brother while Tobi was revealed to have been able to control the Kyuubi and go head to head with Minato, making him more dangareous and involved than previously thought.So I believe 600 will be about Madara Uchiha and his relation to Tobi through some famous incident of which we do not know much of, most probably Hashirama vs Madara.
If two possible outcomes occur:
1) If Tobi is actually Obito per se:
Explain how he survived being completely crushed under a cave-in. Then, explain how he, in such a short time, awakened the Mangekyou, and became powerful enough to make Minato sweat (being taller than his classmates her were deemed to young to participate in the Kyuubi's attack). Also, how he was able to, not only make a summoning contract with Kurama, but be recognized by him, when Kurama was sealed in Hashirama's wife after his fight with Madara and then sealed in Kushina when she was about to die. Obito was born way after that. Also, how the hell did Obito create Akatsuki like he claims when he was born way after the Hidden Rain's civil war. Also, when would Obito have the time to control the Sandaime Mizukage and start the Moon's Eye Plan when all that happened way before he was even born?
2) If Tobi is actually Obito's cells fused with Hashirama's cells or Zetsu or whatever developed by Madara or someone else:
To start with, why Obito? He was a disappointment of an Uchiha who was crushed to paste under tons of rocks. This was years before the Uchiha clan extermination (which he was a part of) so if the point was creating a body capable of using the Rinnegan, you could've used any other more capable Uchiha body to get it done. If the excuse if because of how epic and broken Kamui is, how would anyone even know that eye was capable of having such and epic Mangkeyou ability to begin with? (And I even called it a looooooong time ago that Tobi's ability was a unique Mangekyou ability like Kakashi's)
To me, regardless what explanation Kishimoto comes up with, none of them will make sense to me. So I just have to wait and see if he doesn't troll the readers in chapter 600 by skipping the explanation completely and jumping to action elsewhere in the battlefield, like Sasuke moving around with Taka's remnants and Orochimaru, the Kage vs. Madara fight, Kabuto snapping out of Izanami, or the rest of the army talking bullshit and fighting Zetsu ('cause they're supposed to be on their way to "help Naruto" take on the fake Madara). He's totally capable of that. I don't even know why he trolled by making Tobi from Obito. He doesn't even use Kamui like Kakashi does (and I doubt he could) so why even make the connection? Why not just make him somebody knew? I'm just utterly disappointed. At least, this might all tie into the people Sasuke and Orochimaru are gonna go see.
what if the relevation is about MAdara saving obito and raising him (basically obitos flashback from the moment of his supposed death) and basically confirming that tobi = obito personality wise ... thus completely ruining the timeline and his credibility as writer ... what then? We have to be prepared fo that possibility
kishi says that he writing for kids/teenagers ....Quote:
that mean :
1- adult readers should stop reading it ...
2- everyone who want read long manga , should stay kid and don't grow up ....
for God's sake , his main character don't need to change everyone heart , win every battle , not need to protect everyone , not become a god like Savior ..... and every so called good characters shouldln't win every fight they have .....
every one shouldn't knee for mighty konoha ....
This bloody boring manga need something like this to make any sense .....
well , even though this is fake .... but it would more sense than Tobi being Obito ....Quote:
Last edited by shafagh; September 03, 2012 at 09:47 AM.