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it's called being in the uchiha clan.
the whole point about them discussing kinkaku and ginkaku was because they weren't very explicitly related to the sage (by way of senju, uzumaki, uchiha, arguably hyuuga).
anyone who falls within the stereotype capabilities of those 4 surnames (assuming hyuuga is linked too) are definitely linked to the sage, with their blood way less diluted than the blood that kinkaku and ginkaku boasted.
so i think when he asked that question, it was 'why obito of all uchiha?'. all uchiha are linked to the sage, so this is a redundant factor in this discussion
I believe that Kinkaku and Ginkaku have a connection to the Rikudo much greater than the Senju or Uchiha, otherwise such a thing as giving an human part of the Bijuus Chakra would already been done.
I am tempted to believe that Madara is heavy connected to Rikudo, and that Obito may be his grandson or something.
uhm.... does anyone acctually want to discuss the topic? How did Madara know about Nagato and how did he get into contact with obito (through zetzu?).
.... but i got to agree Madara knowing the edo tensei seals is a bit weird....
Madara knows about edotensei because it was invented by tobirama that was almost the same age of him.
Madara could be the cause of obito's accident, sending the rock's ninjas to them..
It seems that zetsu is under tobi not giving him orders..
Edotensei is a bad way to resurrect cause u are like a living corpse with the soul of another person... With nagato powers madara could be resurrected in a better and fresh way... That's why he was waiting for nagato to grow...
He was supposed to be brought back with everything intact, including the Rinnegan and Senju DNA (refer to Tobi's wall of Hashirama). Noone would stand a chance even if he is fleshy. Actually, even without Rinnegan, he would still pretty much soloes with the Perfect Susanoo, so nevermind.Quote:
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also notak makes excellent point why not tell someone to revive him throught ET ... he clearly instructed someone to carry out his orders (most likely tobi) why hasn't he done done that (at first he must have been following madara) - he knew enough about DNA to be able to fuse cells with someone successfully thus it makes no sence ... it was plothole no jutsu kishi just had to introduce madara in full strenght it was waaaaaay too tempting
I think Madara only had the chance to break the seal because of Kabuto's failure. But if you think about it, why not have someone close to Madara use Edo Tensei on him, and then that person could just intentionally stop the Edo Tensei seal so that Madara can break it freely.
But hey, I guess manga logic can't be perfect you know.
Then again, Edo Tensei is not that easy of a jutsu to acquire, it seems like only Orochimaru knew about it for a long time until Kabuto took over
And on why Madara didn't teach ET to Obito so that Obito can bring him back as ET and then let him undo the seal, we don't really know how much knowledge Madara has in respect of ET. He may have found a way to break the technique, but that doesn't mean he knows everything about it. Obito clearly didn't know about ET until he forced KAbuto to teach him, but by that time Madara has already been brought back by Kabuto.
I'm not sure how Zetsu is involved, but here's my crackpot theory.
1. Obito is still barely alive under the pile of rocks. Normal non-super humans have survived similar cave-ins IIRC.
2. Madara is still alive at this point in time (derp)
3. Madara saves Obito
4. Madara is still a shell of his former self since he's been crippled by his fight with Hashirama.
5. Madara has the mask Obito used to use, and then the events of the Minato gaiden happens. That was actually Madara fighting (he took Obito's other eye since eyes are like trading cards in this manga), but since he's crippled he's just not as good as he could be so he lost.
6. Madara dies later from old age but not after training the hell out of Obito who's essentially his heir.
7. Obito takes up the mask, and uses his masters name because saying he's Uchiha Obito wouldn't scare anyone but Kakashi.
Sorry if I've said it too much already lol but I think Zetsu is the key somehow. I think when that guy was like a hunter-nin, he did so with other bodies. We even got something of a foreshadow about ninja with different abilities with the six paths of pain. If Zetsu did 'save' Obito and some of him is a part of what makes up Obito, I wonder if it was possible for Zetsu to also give Obito some of HIS abilities and memories of those who's abilities he passed on. Like his insane chakra signature jutsu that had everyone fooled earlier in the war. Funny but when Sasuke and Itachi fought, nobody seemed to notice Zetsu or at least comment on him, but Pain did after the Jiraiya fight.
I dn't know how Madara could be exactly connected to Zetsu and when. If Madara was too weak to fight, he may have tried experimenting to 'create' with what he gained from his debilitating battle with Hashirama. No idea. For this Madara to know of Obito... one other thing to think about IMO is that I don't know if any zetsu's are left, and how much time has passed between Madara being with the Kage's and his arriving to Obito just now. We saw Sasuke genjutsu and get the information he wanted out of white Zetsu, I imagine Madara could do the same. But I think their relationship is more organic than that (no pun intended). Hard to explain but I think it has something to do with life-force.
My personal forecasting: at some point Obito will have a change of heart, suck Madara into his pocket dimension and then he destroys his own eye, thus trapping the immortal Edo-Zombie for all eternity.
Now share your predictions!
I think Madara will not be defeated anytime soon, im thinking after Naruto is beat to deaths door by Madara, he will resort to using "that" jutsu, it being the Death god seal, but before he actually makes a pact or the jutsu is completely visible, he falls unconscious. They proceed to sealing the Kyuubi and Hachibi, Naruto somehow escapes them without the kyuubi and goes on to learn more about his clan etc.
He comes back to face Madara and his new six paths or six minions (Sasuke and the likes) and uses the DG seal to summon the previous Kages, with the help of Hashirama Naruto manages to seal Madara for good. The presence of Hashirama and the other Kages IMO is a fitting end for Madara. Anything less would be PIS, e.g. Naruto and Sasuke beating him without any external help
That would actually be pretty cool... Naruto, Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen and Minato vs Madara. But I doubt it will happen. Minato being alive again while Kushina remains dead would be meh and same kind of goes for Hiruzen and Asuma.Quote: